HF Habs: Most disappointing Hughes Acquisition (All Michkov draft talk here)

[CzarDemidov]

I'm done with you and replying. No matter what I or anyone says in any thread, you'll always move the goalposts to "try" and be right. Another hint, you're not.

Shifting the goalposts like “hey, it’s not right to call another team’s rookie 20 year old a CANCER”? I’m consistent about that.

Sure whatever Guy. Another brilliant conversation.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

There may be a lot of cope in some of the critiques of Michkov,

But there's a lot of auto-depressive basket casing in the Michkov praise.

We can't have nice things.
This team never drafts offense.
Karakter !
Etc.

That is neither interesting nor insightful. It's merely a circle jerk of negativity.

Meanwhile, Reinbacher demonstrates tremendous potential.

I’m not sold on this tremendous potential. I think he will be a very good defensive defensemen with almost no offense. That’s not the profile of a player picked at 5OA, but a 90 point winger is, without any doubt.

 

[DAChampion]

I’m not sold on this tremendous potential. I think he will be a very good defensive defensemen with almost no offense. That’s not the profile of a player picked at 5OA, but a 90 point winger is, without any doubt.

Almost no offense?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Almost no offense?

He isn’t good enough to man a PP. what offense do you think he will bring? I think 20-30 points is his potential. Very little offense may be more appropriate.

 

[Colezuki]

He isn’t good enough to man a PP. what offense do you think he will bring? I think 20-30 points is his potential. Very little offense may be more appropriate.

I think he'll get 30-40 just based on usage, and that would put him in the top 40 defenesman league wide for that. In addition with Lane we don't need the biggest upside on offense.

I think Michkov's going to be great, but we have a version of him in Caufield, and we likely have our scoring Winger in Demidov on top of it.

 

[ahmedou]

In Bobrov We Trust

 

[Redux91]

In Bobrov We Trust

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That was always the main thing with him imo lol
Obviously an amazing hockey player, but always seemed like a PUNK
And surprise surprise lol
Habs and a few other teams simply just didn't like the guy
And neither do I lol, I'm beyond happy we avoided him and ended up with the better player AND person in Ivan the Great and a touted RD prospect
What fortune

And all the 'but why not both!' talk is for the birds, imagine having to constantly worry about this kid everyday and every year in the sometimes too much fun city of MTL
f*** that
I know a loser when I see one
And that kid ain't ever winning shit

So glad he's not *our* problem

 

[overlords]

In Bobrov We Trust

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Somewhere, Zack Kassian is smiling.

 

[austin316]

The Newhook and Dach trades by KH have both been failures to date.

Hopefully his next trade for a 2C or top line winger doesn’t have the same fate.

 

[26Mats]

The Newhook and Dach trades by KH have both been failures to date.

Hopefully his next trade for a 2C or top line winger doesn’t have the same fate.

Hughes hasn't traded for many of the players on the roster. They're mainly draft picks and MB players.

He's traded for:

- Dach
- Newhook
- Laine
- Heineman

- Carrier
- Matheson

Of those, so far Dach and Newhook aren't looking too good. Though they still have time on their side. Laine is fine because he cam with a 2nd round pick. Heineman, Carrier, and Matheson were good trades.

But now we're in a place to trade futures for established vets. We haven't seen how Hughes does with that kind of trade. I suppose the Barron for Carrier trade is the only example of that.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Somewhere, Zack Kassian is smiling.

Galchenyuk aswell

 

[Sterling Archer]

Reinbacher pick looking better and better by the day

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Lehkonen for Barron pretty bad. He has no hockey sense. The 13th, 66 and 99 for Dach sucks. He has no will to win. Mesar was a total waste. I don't know what Hughes was thinking there. A first, early second and decent prospect for Newhook was bad. He can't finish.

 

[Toene]

Lehkonen for Barron pretty bad. He has no hockey sense. The 13th, 66 and 99 for Dach sucks. He has no will to win. Mesar was a total waste. I don't know what Hughes was thinking there. A first, early second and decent prospect for Newhook was bad. He can't finish.

And yet I have zero problem with these moves. I prefer a GM who dares vs a GM who's scared.

 

[Sorinth]

Lehkonen for Barron pretty bad. He has no hockey sense. The 13th, 66 and 99 for Dach sucks. He has no will to win. Mesar was a total waste. I don't know what Hughes was thinking there. A first, early second and decent prospect for Newhook was bad. He can't finish.

The "decent prospect" you mention played 1 AHL game for Colorado then got sent to the ECHL and is now in the Slovak league. Like it's hard to take anything you say seriously if that is considered a valuable piece that we gave up.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lehkonen for Barron pretty bad. He has no hockey sense. The 13th, 66 and 99 for Dach sucks. He has no will to win. Mesar was a total waste. I don't know what Hughes was thinking there. A first, early second and decent prospect for Newhook was bad. He can't finish.

I’d have made all those moves. And the Barron trade came with a pick that we leveraged to get Hage.

 

[Andrei79]

I’d have made all those moves. And the Barron trade came with a pick that we leveraged to get Hage.

I'll add that the Barron + 2nd move would have been similar to trading Mailloux + 2nd for someone like Luostarinen. For someone who was essentially a year away from UFA, traded at the deadline, it was the right value. If you want RHD, you have to draft and trade for them at some point. Personally, in hindsight (though not for montreal who was saying it at the time), they probably rushed Barron. He should have been developed in the AHL like Mailloux is right now. Look at the NHL edge stats, Barron is one of the best and fastest skaters in the league. The tools were there, outside of the long neck.

 

[River Meadow]

The bar is set to:

GUISE AT LEAST HE'S TRYING OKAY!

 

[Hins77]

The only trade which HuGo didnt had the best value for in my opinion, is the 4th pick for Kovacevic.
he still got positive ratio +/- during 2 years in a row on a rebuilding team, where every dman were around minus -1000. Im joking, but I still think, at his low salary (750k). Can't understand why we didnt receive a better package than a 4th pick from NJ. The timing maybe wasnt right to make a trade (begining of season)
In my mind, Carrier has the same kind of value than Kovacevic and I would never trade Carrier for a 4th pick, even a 3rd.

 

[Laboeuf]

Not every trade will work out.
There’s a reason why Chicago gave up on Dach so early.
#13 Frank Nazar looks to be a good one.
#66 Gavin Hayes looks to be an AHLer
#98 Isiah George is now in the NHL for the Islanders

Alex Newhook went for #31 (Mikhail Gulyayev an undersized KHL defenseman) and #37 Ethan Gauthier (traded to TB). I don’t think Gulyayev is NHL material and Gauthier might be a bottom 6 forward. Meh trade was ok but Newhook took a step backward and is now has the Lehkonen curse (can’t score even though has most chances).


Looking back the Dach trade for Romanov, Hayes and George was meh, took a chance. Islanders got two top 6 defenseman out of that and Chicago got an undersized top 9.

The Lehkonen trade was a fail for Barron BUT….the second round pick was traded with the Sean Monahan first round pick (WPG) got us Michael Hage and later Barron dealt for Carrier.

Carrier for Lehkonen is somewhat ok because Carrier is essentially Lehkonen on D.
Hage might be a top 9 forward.

I agree the Mesar pick was wasted. Habs at the draft wanted Sam Rinzel.

I’m ok with not drafting Michkov. Look at how many small players we have. In the playoffs we got ran over. Reinbacher should be a solid top 4.

Looking at KH first year at the draft, basically we got 2 of the top 5 players in the draft. Slafkovsky and Hutson.

Honestly the core looks pretty good combinations of size, skills and heart, big stage high pressure players.

Suzuki leads the way elevating his game when it matters. Timely goals 80-90 points
Caufield is a scoring machine regardless of pressure situations. 30-40 goals per year.
Slafkovsky should be that big power forward in your face. Grinding 50-60 points.
Demidov will be one of the best playmakers in the league. This guy projects to be 100 points player.
Hutson is already a top 10 defenseman in his first year. Top 5 in scoring defenseman. 60-70 points easily.

I’m actually excited to see the powerplay next year.
If Reinbacher and Hage works out along with the Becks, Mailloux, Kapanen of the world, we have a lot to give in the next 10 years.

This draft i really like Brady Martin and Carter Bear, adding those two would make our team more rounded top 9.

 

[calder candidate]

the most disappointing trade was the pick we got for Chariot what should have been a lottery pick finish 31…and traded for Newhook…

 

[LesCactus]

Justin Barron.

 

[Laboeuf]

the most disappointing trade was the pick we got for Chariot what should have been a lottery pick finish 31…and traded for Newhook…

You can thank Calgary for trading Tkachuk to Florida.
and thank Calgary again for Sean Monahan we got 2x first round picks (Hage and #16 in the upcoming draft).

So its like Chariot for 3 first round picks LOL

 

[CzarDemidov]

The bar is set to:

GUISE AT LEAST HE'S TRYING OKAY!

Anything the Habs GM does is the right move at the right time

This is the Habs fan motto since time immemorial

Thankfully Hughes has done a good job in this first stage of the rebuild of the club… the harder part is up next but no credit should be withheld for him getting the foundation stuff right.

Hiring MSL was a consequential move. It insured good spirits and faith in the process with the team never really succumbing to a “loser culture”.

I’m unsure what the future will hold. I just want to win and I think Hughes wants to win too. Winning shouldn’t be so hard, half the teams make the playoffs and half of them win the first round. Being top quartile shouldn’t be such a long, drown-out process.

As long as Hughes constantly adds to the roster with spot improvements, we should see good things. And we could and should be able to identify moves that didn’t work out.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The bar is set to:

GUISE AT LEAST HE'S TRYING OKAY!

What a load of bullshit.

If you have criticisms, state them. You won’t because that would require actual debate and it’s much easier to sit there in the cheap seats throwing bombs.

This GM has done exactly what the bulk of us have wanted from mgmt for the past few decades. He’s stockpiled picks and prospects. No, not every move always works out but it didn’t always work out for Sam Pollock.

Tell us what mistakes you think he’s made. Be specific.