HF Habs: Most disappointing Hughes Acquisition (All Michkov draft talk here)

[FLHabs]

A lot of assumptions, very little reality.

Please tell me where are these "assumptions" you're talking about?

Cole has 12 more goals = fact
Cole is a culture driver = fact
Caufield and Michkov fill the same archetype = fact, and you even said that yourself
Without Laine, Caufield would have more goals = assumption, but very much rooted in reality
Habs brass happy with the "Michkov" they have at home = assumption, I'll give you that one

So, a tiny bit of assumption, lots of reality seems more accurate, no?

 

[dauv]

I'm very disappointed that Hughes was not able to trade for McDavid yet. We have Ryder, Halak and 2rd pick to trade..... Hope he uses this trade chips quick before they turn into nothing......

 

[Mrb1p]

Please tell me where are these "assumptions" you're talking about?

Cole has 12 more goals = fact
Cole is a culture driver = fact
Caufield and Michkov fill the same archetype = fact, and you even said that yourself
Without Laine, Caufield would have more goals = assumption, but very much rooted in reality
Habs brass happy with the "Michkov" they have at home = assumption, I'll give you that one

So, a tiny bit of assumption, lots of reality seems more accurate, no?

Youre assuming that Michkov is either a neutral or negative culture driver.

Youre assuming that Caufield would score more despite him barely scoring on the PP no matter the position he plays.

Youre assuming an alternate reality where Michkov scores more doesnt exist, despite giving the benefit to Caufield.

Youre assuming that Michkov = Caufield, despite Michkov being better at every comparables of their careers so far, and Cole somewhat failing to deliver.

 

[Mrb1p]

I'm very disappointed that Hughes was not able to trade for McDavid yet. We have Ryder, Halak and 2rd pick to trade..... Hope he uses this trade chips quick before they turn into nothing......

Why would we need Mcdavid? We have Newhook who skates just as fast as Mcdavid and has a harder shot. Basically, our team is better off with Ryder and Halak and we dont know what the 2nd could be. Also if we had Mcdavid maybe we dont trade for Suzuki.

 

[dauv]

Why would we need Mcdavid? We have Newhook who skates just as fast as Mcdavid and has a harder shot. Basically, our team is better off with Ryder and Halak and we dont know what the 2nd could be. Also if we had Mcdavid maybe we dont trade for Suzuki.

So True.... Thank god I am not the GM I would have made such a blunder of a trade........

Go Habitant Go

 

[nhlfan9191]

And yet, Michkov is 20 years old phenom that is producing as much as Cole.

Caufield and Michkov fill the same archetype, stop this bs right now.

No offense, but I don’t think a rookie putting up 60 points classifies him as a “phenom” by any stretch. He has still has a lot of proof and Reinbacher has to bust before he can make anyone regret the decision we made at the draft. And that’s if he even wanted to come Montreal and didn’t already have his mind made up that Philadelphia is where he wanted to go.

 

[FLHabs]

Youre assuming that Michkov is either a neutral or negative culture driver.

Youre assuming that Caufield would score more despite him barely scoring on the PP no matter the position he plays.

Youre assuming an alternate reality where Michkov scores more doesnt exist, despite giving the benefit to Caufield.

Youre assuming that Michkov = Caufield, despite Michkov being better at every comparables of their careers so far, and Cole somewhat failing to deliver.

This was my original post where you replied: lots assumptions:

**Producing just as much as 24 y.o. Cole? The same Cole that has 12 more goals? That Cole that probably could have more if Laine didn't take most of his PP opportunities? That same Cole that is a culture driver if this team?

Yes, Caufield and Michkov do fill the same archetype which is exactly why they didn't need to draft him. They were happy with the "Michkov" they have at home and decided to draft the best RD of the that draft instead.**

You're the one assuming a bunch of stuff I didn't say, when all I mentioned was facts about Caufield and his importance to the team culture. I wasn't talking nor thinking about Michkov when making these points. Seems like you're the one making a bunch of assumptions.

And the fact that you don't think Caufield would have more goals without Laine taking his spot on the PP tells me you're not debating this topic in good faith and all of this is pointless

 

[Mrb1p]

This was my original post where you replied: lots assumptions:

**Producing just as much as 24 y.o. Cole? The same Cole that has 12 more goals? That Cole that probably could have more if Laine didn't take most of his PP opportunities? That same Cole that is a culture driver if this team?

Yes, Caufield and Michkov do fill the same archetype which is exactly why they didn't need to draft him. They were happy with the "Michkov" they have at home and decided to draft the best RD of the that draft instead.**

You're the one assuming a bunch of stuff I didn't say, when all I mentioned was facts about Caufield and his importance to the team culture. I wasn't talking nor thinking about Michkov when making these points. Seems like you're the one making a bunch of assumptions.

And the fact that you don't think Caufield would have more goals without Laine taking his spot on the PP tells me you're not debating this topic in good faith and all of this is pointless

But by giving these attributes to Caufield, and refusing to consider that Michkov may have the same ones, you assume Michkov is one.

Assumptions.

 

[FLHabs]

But by giving these attributes to Caufield, and refusing to consider that Michkov may have the same ones, you assume Michkov is one.

Assumptions.

Whatever man. We'll see in a few years whether Reinbacher will be a stud or bust, that's all I care about. Y'all can keep crying about Michkov all y'all want, I'm out

 

[Mrb1p]

Whatever man. We'll see in a few years whether Reinbacher will be a stud or bust, that's all I care about. Y'all can keep crying about Michkov all y'all want, I'm out

This isnt about Reinbacher. Again, I was and still am his biggest fan. Michkov is better, has been better and will be better.

Accept this, move on.

 

[salbutera]

This isnt about Reinbacher. Again, I was and still am his biggest fan. Michkov is better, has been better and will be better.

Accept this, move on.

Midget Ruskie cherry picker

And you think Matheson’s a giveaway disaster?

 

[Mrb1p]

Midget Ruskie cherry picker

And you think Matheson’s a yuveaway disaster?

Of course why dont you double down.

 

[salbutera]

Of course why dont you double down.

How KKs 80 pts season coming along?

 

[Habs]

No offense, but I don’t think a rookie putting up 60 points classifies him as a “phenom” by any stretch. He has still has a lot of proof and Reinbacher has to bust before he can make anyone regret the decision we made at the draft. And that’s if he even wanted to come Montreal and didn’t already have his mind made up that Philadelphia is where he wanted to go.

lol but if he was in Montreal.. how would we be freaking out? That would be friggen amazing to have another 60 pt rookie

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

I vote Dach. Next is Newhook followed by Barron. In one year Rienbacker and Slaf could be #1 particularly if Wright and Mitchkov continue to play well.

Probably Dach. Costs a high first, 13th overall, same as Flames pick in this draft. Along with two other picks, did virtually nil. Injury prone, didn't always show up to camp in good shape. Can't win a faceoff, terrible defensively, just not good hockey player

 

[TomKosto]

Whatever man. We'll see in a few years whether Reinbacher will be a stud or bust, that's all I care about. Y'all can keep crying about Michkov all y'all want, I'm out

Having Michkov with Demidov would have been absolutely insane to watch. I really hope Reinbacher becomes at least a top3 D. Injuries are a concern since his draft. Thoses years are really important to developp urself. With what Michkov is doing right now, hard to blame fans for being pissed that Hughes passed on the guy.

 

[Mrb1p]

How KKs 80 pts season coming along?

That makes us wrong once each, at least im not doubling down .

 

[Fish on The Sand]

I vote Dach. Next is Newhook followed by Barron. In one year Rienbacker and Slaf could be #1 particularly if Wright and Mitchkov continue to play well.

I vote for Newhook.

Dach has certainly disappointed, but I get the trade at least. He took a swing and it missed. It happens.

The Newhook trade never had upside. It's his Dvorak trade. It was a bad trade when it happened and predictably turned out bad

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I'm kind of confused why people are still hung up on Michkov after Montreal took Demidov given who Montreal has on the roster and the fanbases' desire to get bigger. I figured Leonard would by the guy fans would pine over.

This type of thinking is so short-sighted. What Montreal has been missing is elite talent upfront. Not some arbritrary height requirement that can make our egos feel better. Skill is what we need. Lane Hutson is a perfect example. He is one of the main reasons we have any hopes of making the playoffs. He’s 130lbs soak and wet, but he can play hockey better than most and that is all that matters.

 

[salbutera]

This type of thinking is so short-sighted. What Montreal has been missing is elite talent upfront. Not some arbritrary high requirement that can make our egos feel better. Skill is what we need. Lane Hutson is a perfect example. He is one of the main reasons we have any hopes of making the playoffs. He’s 130lbs soak and wet, but he can play hockey better than most and that is all that matters.

Pls don’t compare Hutson to the midget Ruskie who doesn’t have 1% of the compete or hockey IQ of Hutson

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Pls don’t compare Hutson to the midget Ruskie who doesn’t have 1% of the compete or hockey IQ of Hutson

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit either. I thought your hockey knowledge was bad enough.

 

[salbutera]

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit either. I thought your hockey knowledge was bad enough.

Weren’t you the one disagreeing with me when I said Hutson will takeover the PP QB role by US thanksgiving - questioning his size?

 

[Miller Time]

I'd have to go with Barron at this point... and not for the price paid but moreso because the player wasn't able to seize the massive opportunity in front of him.

As stabilizing as Carrier has been, he's a limited top 4RD better suited to be a #5 IMO. Had Barron been able to put it together and play at a solid top 4 RD level, he'd have made for a great complement to any one of Guhle, Hutson, Matheson and we'd wouldn't have nearly the same need to be aggressive this summer in trying to fill that spot.

Dach is disappointing, but injuries are always a risk.
Newhook has been better than his vocal critics seem able to recognize. At worst, he's a very solid 3rd liner on a very team friendly deal. At best, he finds some composure on his finishing and breaks out into a quality top-6 producer capable of 30/30 any given season... best part is that we've got several more years of both roster fit and friendly cap hit to find out.

 

[billy piton]

michkov is nothing burger, desharnais with shot. doesnt care about defence, zero pace, coughing pucks whenever someone pressure him with determination. plus, he is an extreme example of prima donna. i mean, guy stormed out to dressing room because of missed empty netter in a team victory.

 

[Andrei79]

Trading Romanov for a pick that turned into Dach was not a good trade in insight.

It was good until his knee was destroyed.