Morgan Rielly

[Ports]

The Leafs dont have interest in trading him.
He's the longest serving Leaf.
He wants to stay, for whatever reason.
He is NOT leaving.

He may end up on Robidas Island sooner than later mind you.

The Leafs would rather put him on LTIR than trade him ?

 

[Ports]

You

I am uncertain about Treliving. He might want to trade Rielly. He'll will have a tought time doing it.

I am certain that many of the fans posting in this thread want Rielly traded.

In your previous comment you said Treliving doesn’t want to trade Rielly. I made a comment that you wouldn’t know if that was the case. Now you are backtracking and saying he may want to trade him. Which is it ?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

You

In your previous comment you said Treliving doesn’t want to trade Rielly. I made a comment that you wouldn’t know if that was the case. Now you are backtracking and saying he may want to trade him. Which is it ?

Who gives a f***? Stop pestering people. You don't even give a shit how I answer. Why is it so important to have my straight answer? What are we arguing here? The certainty of Rielly's trade status and Treliving's feelings?

 

[Ports]

Who gives a f***? Stop pestering people. You don't even give a shit how I answer. Why is it so important to have my straight answer? What are we arguing here? The certainty of Rielly's trade status and Treliving's feelings?

Treliving doesn't want to trade him. People on this website want to trade him.

You made this definitive comment to a post of mine and now that you can’t back it up you accuse me of pestering you ? If you don’t want to be questioned about things you post, don’t post them.
And so what if most people on this thread want him gone. The purpose of the thread is to generate discussion about Rielly and he’s clearly become a liability to most posters.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

You made this definitive comment to a post of mine and now that you can’t back it up you accuse me of pestering you ? If you don’t want to be questioned about things you post, don’t post them.
And so what if most people on this thread want him gone. The purpose of the thread is to generate discussion about Rielly and he’s clearly become a liability to most posters.

Do you have a question?

 

[Maple Leaf]

Rielly is gone if the Leafs are smart

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Rielly is gone if the Leafs are smart

Unfortunately it’s not up to them. Another NMC handed out like candy.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I'm not sure being the longest serving Leaf means much when you have the longest drought in pro sports. The Leafs are incompetent and continually make stupid trades. The stupid thing is to keep him. A real Gm would fire him.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The Leafs would rather put him on LTIR than trade him ?

He's a cap dump at this stage.
So yes.
We just need his cap space.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

So, I know that Tony DeAngelo is a d-bag. So was E. Kane. People can change.

That guy would be a very cheap puck-moving option. Someone who can rotate the #6 spot with Benoit.

 

[Rare Jewel]

So, I know that Tony DeAngelo is a d-bag. So was E. Kane. People can change.

That guy would be a very cheap puck-moving option. Someone who can rotate the #6 spot with Benoit.

They were D-bags for different reasons. Kane's are forgivable, TDA much less so...

Boqvist is a guy if you're looking at NYI dmen, Romanov too, if you were to move one of McCabe or Benoit.

 

[Ports]

He's a cap dump at this stage.
So yes.
We just need his cap space.

He is and there’s three possibilities to get out from under the cap hit.

1. Trade him. Difficult because he may not waive his NMC and he’s paid too much to get any return without eating some of his Cap hit. Likely $2-3M AAV.
2. Put him on LTIR. Difficult because they need a medical justification and he needs to agree to it and why would he ?
3. Buy him out. Easy because he doesn’t need to agree to anything. They can do it anytime beginning 48 hours after the SCF ends and June 30th. Costs and savings have been presented on this thread previously.
If management and ownership has any balls they choose door number three because it’s quick and signals a firm commitment to change the DNA of the team.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The problem with trading Rielly, other then NMC which people just ignore like it doesn't exist, I assure you it does.

But beyond that, as it currently stands Rielly is the ONLY one on defense that can move the puck and generate offense.

I LOVE me some Tanev and Carlo, I really do, I think they are fantastic but they aren't doing that and that's OK that's not why they are there.

McCabe shows flashes but not consistently, every once in awhile he will make a great offensive play but he's mostly defense and again that's OK.

OEL was a solid signing but he can't generate offense like he use to.

And I know Benoit had that great OT winner and we all loved it but the reason we loved it is because other then the fact it won the game he was literally the LAST guy we expected it from.

Rielly is it, he is the ONLY one on defense that can move the puck and generate offense

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He is and there’s three possibilities to get out from under the cap hit.

1. Trade him. Difficult because he may not waive his NMC and he’s paid too much to get any return without eating some of his Cap hit. Likely $2-3M AAV.
2. Put him on LTIR. Difficult because they need a medical justification and he needs to agree to it and why would he ?
3. Buy him out. Easy because he doesn’t need to agree to anything. They can do it anytime beginning 48 hours after the SCF ends and June 30th. Costs and savings have been presented on this thread previously.
If management and ownership has any balls they choose door number three because it’s quick and signals a firm commitment to change the DNA of the team.

A buyout is 10 years that's a HORRENDOUS idea.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Difficult because they need a medical justification and he needs to agree to it and why would he

He’s go multiple Injuries of a chronic nature

 

[Nineteen67]

The problem with trading Rielly, other then NMC which people just ignore like it doesn't exist, I assure you it does.

But beyond that, as it currently stands Rielly is the ONLY one on defense that can move the puck and generate offense.

I LOVE me some Tanev and Carlo, I really do, I think they are fantastic but they aren't doing that and that's OK that's not why they are there.

McCabe shows flashes but not consistently, every once in awhile he will make a great offensive play but he's mostly defense and again that's OK.

OEL was a solid signing but he can't generate offense like he use to.

And I know Benoit had that great OT winner and we all loved it but the reason we loved it is because other then the fact it won the game he was literally the LAST guy we expected it from.

Rielly is it, he is the ONLY one on defense that can move the puck and generate offense

NMC isn’t even an issue if they want to move him. It means absolute nothing to a competent person.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

NMC isn’t even an issue if they want to move him. It means absolute nothing to a competent person.

It actually does though because a full NMC means you can't move him.

You can't trade him, you can't waive him they aren't going to buy him out and pay him for 10 years that's not to happen.

he's got a FULL NMC if he doesn't want to go he's not going

 

[Martin Skoula]

The problem with trading Rielly, other then NMC which people just ignore like it doesn't exist, I assure you it does.

But beyond that, as it currently stands Rielly is the ONLY one on defense that can move the puck and generate offense.

I LOVE me some Tanev and Carlo, I really do, I think they are fantastic but they aren't doing that and that's OK that's not why they are there.

McCabe shows flashes but not consistently, every once in awhile he will make a great offensive play but he's mostly defense and again that's OK.

OEL was a solid signing but he can't generate offense like he use to.

And I know Benoit had that great OT winner and we all loved it but the reason we loved it is because other then the fact it won the game he was literally the LAST guy we expected it from.

Rielly is it, he is the ONLY one on defense that can move the puck and generate offense

Does he generate offense or is he present when offense happens? Yeah his transition game is still ok but it’s not like he’s opening up lanes or drawing defenders to cover his shot when we’re set up, his only real contribution offensively outside of the rush is when he pinches in to the circles, and that’s arguably net neutral if one of the more talented forwards has to drop back to cover him.

Don’t get me wrong the rest of the D is bleak offensively but you can find a guy that can transition and occasionally wire a shot from the circles for half the cap we’re paying Rielly.

 

[Ports]

A buyout is 10 years that's a HORRENDOUS idea.

Let’s be specific. What’s so horrible about buying him out ?

They would owe him 66% of what they owe him on the contract which is $21M over 10 years which is a drop in the bucket. And their cap hit savings start at almost $6M next season and then are just below $4M for the next four. And the next five seasons after that is where the $2M in dead cap space comes in, but the salary cap will likely be $30-40M higher than it is today and it will be an insignificant number.

And the use of that $21M cap savings over the next five seasons allows them to sign a better defenseman than Rielly currently is, never mind how much he’s going to continue to regress over the next five seasons.

 

[IPS]

Does he generate offense or is he present when offense happens? Yeah his transition game is still ok but it’s not like he’s opening up lanes or drawing defenders to cover his shot when we’re set up, his only real contribution offensively outside of the rush is when he pinches in to the circles, and that’s arguably net neutral if one of the more talented forwards has to drop back to cover him.

Don’t get me wrong the rest of the D is bleak offensively but you can find a guy that can transition and occasionally wire a shot from the circles for half the cap we’re paying Rielly.

If a player is that type of offensive D that is better when the offense is already happening, they're usually the ones who have dangerous shots from the point and act as a legitimate threat on the blueline that draws coverage. I think we all know that isn't Morgan Rielly.

Rielly's transition game was his ace in the hole, and it's very clearly fading.

 

[Ports]

It actually does though because a full NMC means you can't move him.

You can't trade him, you can't waive him they aren't going to buy him out and pay him for 10 years that's not to happen.

he's got a FULL NMC if he doesn't want to go he's not going

There are many players who’ve been moved with full NMC. They let the player know they’re no longer part of the team’s plans and they’ll be way down the depth chart and likely watching from the press box. If a player accepts those conditions, they don’t care about their career and are showing you how little they care about the team.