Morgan Rielly

[Gabriel426]

I'm not claiming Rielly is amazing, just that his lack of defensive game is made up for with his offensive game (much like Nylander), and that he is one of the best D on the team...

Nylander is normally said to be the best player or at least better than Marner, that is why his defensive game is brought up.

I know you thought you did something here, but you didn't.

Both are really good players, but not the best on the team.

Rielly is also not even close to as bad as people are claiming in this thread.

I have no idea what you thought I did but that didn’t.

Just brought up a point that you brought up in another thread, that’s all.

 

[Stephen]

Why was he "sleep deprived"?

It's not like Rielly was a flawlessly great player when he was a newly wed or bachelor either.

 

[notbias]

Morgan Rielly places 25th in scoring among defensemen in the NHL in 2024-25 so based on your criteria of out scoring his problems he is among the worst as far as 1D are concerned.

Glad playoffs are not important anymore.

Every stat I've used has been playoffs.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Glad playoffs are not important anymore.

Every stat I've used has been playoffs.

I don't need stats I watch him play he is not effective can't wait

 

[Stephen]

Glad playoffs are not important anymore.

Every stat I've used has been playoffs.

Do we need to go back to Rielly's Game 7 playoff portfolio?

 

[notbias]

Do we need to go back to Rielly's Game 7 playoff portfolio?

I know when you have to isolate specific games your argument is terrible... so sure, please do that.

Do you think it is a good or bad thing that the team is winning when Rielly is on the ice?

Advanced stats and real metrics show Rielly was one of the better D on the team.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I don't value regular season as much as you do.

You could tell by JT's pathetic performance against Boston in 2024 playoffs that he just straight up doesn't have the speed/ability to keep up in tough playoff series. And yes, he is indeed getting outperformed by Max Domi the 3C for 2 years running now in the posteason.

Posted many times during the 2024 regular season that JT's speed is going to get exposed bad come playoff time, and it did.

If you wanna keep valuing regular season success as some benchmark for your opinions, you do you.

@JT AM da real deal warned us many times this season that Rielly's declining speed is going to cost us playoff time, and it did.

As you guys all know I was a huge Rielly supporter until last year .. and I still think he speaks very well and has many great leadership skills (that does not go away) .. but you could see last year his speed was declining and then another step back in speed this year .. like i said when he signed once his huge speed advantage goes away it will be only a couple years before he exits da league .. he flat out does not have another good skill to rely on .. his stickhandling is weak .. his shot is at best average .. his passing is ok .. but most importantly his defensive skills are very very very far below average .. i like Mo but we are gonna get stuck with that contract and it will likely be a buyout next summer .. thats why I would try to trade him this summer .. my take

 

[Tak7]

I know when you have to isolate specific games your argument is terrible... so sure, please do that.

Do you think it is a good or bad thing that the team is winning when Rielly is on the ice?

Advanced stats and real metrics show Rielly was one of the better D on the team.

Both things can be true:

They win their minutes when he's on the ice AND he's a huge part of the problem in big games, but it gets overshadowed because he isn't making core 4 money and isn't a forward.

I don't know how anyone watches Mo in games 5 or ESPECIALLY game 7 (worst player on the ice?) and thinks you can still win with him here, or that you'd want to see more of that here.

And I say that as someone who has been a huge Morgan Rielly fan and defender.

 

[notbias]

Both things can be true:

They win their minutes when he's on the ice AND he's a huge part of the problem in big games, but it gets overshadowed because he isn't making core 4 money and isn't a forward.

I don't know how anyone watches Mo in games 5 or ESPECIALLY game 7 (worst player on the ice?) and thinks you can still win with him here, or that you'd want to see more of that here.

And I say that as someone who has been a huge Morgan Rielly fan and defender.

I didn't think you could win with anyone in game 5 or 7.

Not sure what the point is here.

He wasn't a bottom 3 D on the team, that was clearly Carlo, McCabe, and Benoit, likely in that order.

 

[arso40]

I didn't think you could win with anyone in game 5 or 7.

Not sure what the point is here.

He wasn't a bottom 3 D on the team, that was clearly Carlo, McCabe, and Benoit, likely in that order.

I’d rather have andersson and our lefty’s on their strong side then to bring mo “no defence” rielly

 

[notbias]

I’d rather have andersson and our lefty’s on their strong side then to bring mo “no defence” rielly

Scoring was an issue again... maybe after year 12 of not being able to score enough, some of you will see it.

 

[LeafEgo]

The first 10 minutes the Leafs got caved but then they came back to out play the Panthers in the last ten minutes of the period and could easily have been leading after the first. The game turned against them when Rielly made that terrible pinch at the Leafs blueline and Seth Jones walked in alone and scored. That’s a play he just can’t make at that point in a 0-0 game where the first goal can make or break their season. His poor timing and body positioning tells it all. It’s a soft, lazy effort (he is so slow coming back) and changed the momentum back to the Panthers. On the Panthers third goal, he’s falling at the Leafs blue line, totally out of the play and then again he doesn’t even try to get back in the play. No hustle at all. Then he lets Luostarinen get behind him on the fourth goal for an easy deflection. Game over. Four goals and Rielly didn’t do his job on three of them. A 12 year veteran making rookie mistakes. Not a player I want on my team.

We watched through a different lens I suppose. My stomach sank a couple minutes in and lost all excitement, 6-1 came out about right. Apparently the coaching staff was nervous through the day, thought they would be better off in Florida...yeah that adds up to me. It all fell apart completely.

The best way the Leafs can upgrade their defence is by replacing Rielly with a Rielly that is better defending and walking the line. If you find one great, otherwise it's Rielly, or we supplement him by swapping out McCabe. He leads TOI because we need more of his skill set, not less.

Rielly is the 26th highest paid dman and over the last three years in points: 17th in the regular, 8th in the playoffs. Plus 12 through nine years of playoff losing.

Makar and Girard have sunk the Avs.

It's like attacking a budget overrun. Focus on the line items at the top. Solve for Matty and Mitch and don't lose your mind over the stuff in the middle.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I'm going to shut this thread down without executive powers or mod privileges.

Mirtle was on the Fan JD Bunkis Show this morning. He attended the NHL Combine talking to the other members of media covering every NHL team.

The word is that Rielly and his agent will not waive.

Source: Radio Shows The JD Bunkis Podcast

Special Speculation by: Mirtle and Bunkis

Ranking: 9/10 elite level

 

[arso40]

Scoring was an issue again... maybe after year 12 of not being able to score enough, some of you will see it.

Scoring wasn’t the only problem we had one plus defender

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Fan expected perfectionism aside, who would replace Rielly? Where is TOR going to find assets to acquire a Rielly upgrade?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I'm going to shut this thread down without executive powers or mod privileges.

Mirtle was on the Fan JD Bunkis Show this morning. He attended the NHL Combine talking to the other members of media covering every NHL team.

The word is that Rielly and his agent will not waive.

Source: Radio Shows The JD Bunkis Podcast

Special Speculation by: Mirtle and Bunkis

Elite Ranking: 9/10 level

Frigging Dubas man

 

[JKG33]

Frigging Dubas man

The gift that keeps on giving

 

[Tak7]

I didn't think you could win with anyone in game 5 or 7.

Not sure what the point is here.

He wasn't a bottom 3 D on the team, that was clearly Carlo, McCabe, and Benoit, likely in that order.

Point is you're either part of the problem or part of the solution, and Morgan Rielly has far too consistently and for far too long, been part of the problem.

 

[Ports]

I'm going to shut this thread down without executive powers or mod privileges.

Mirtle was on the Fan JD Bunkis Show this morning. He attended the NHL Combine talking to the other members of media covering every NHL team.

The word is that Rielly and his agent will not waive.

Source: Radio Shows The JD Bunkis Podcast

Special Speculation by: Mirtle and Bunkis

Ranking: 9/10 elite level

Of course he won’t waive. Why would he ? Forcing the Leafs to buy him out makes him a free agent so he can sign with any team and the Leafs still have to pay him 2/3 of the remainder of his contract. That’s a much better option for him. The interesting question is will they do it ? I wouldn’t want to continue playing for a team that wants to move me nor would I want said player continuing to play on my team if I was Treliving so a game of chicken might be upcoming.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Of course he won’t waive. Why would he ? Forcing the Leafs to buy him out makes him a free agent so he can sign with any team and the Leafs still have to pay him 2/3 of the remainder of his contract. That’s a much better option for him. The interesting question is will they do it ? I wouldn’t want to continue playing for a team that wants to move me nor would I want said player continuing to play on my team if I was Treliving so a game of chicken might be upcoming.

Treliving doesn't want to trade him. People on this website want to trade him.

 

[Tak7]

Treliving doesn't want to trade him. People on this website want to trade him.

Treliving DID say he wanted to tweak the blueline, and emphasized puck movers.

So he has opened the door to making changes with the blueline.

And when you consider that Carlo, OEL, Benoit, and Myers are all Treliving guys, and McCabe is one that Treliving extended, that really only leaves Morgan Rielly as the one guy Treliving isn't attached to.

I don't think Mo goes anywhere (his camp put word out right away that he loves it here: code for WE AINT WAIVING), but that doesn't mean Treliving shouldn't still try.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Treliving DID say he wanted to tweak the blueline, and emphasized puck movers.

So he has opened the door to making changes with the blueline.

And when you consider that Carlo, OEL, Benoit, and Myers are all Treliving guys, and McCabe is one that Treliving extended, that really only leaves Morgan Rielly as the one guy Treliving isn't attached to.

I don't think Mo goes anywhere (his camp put word out right away that he loves it here: code for WE AINT WAIVING), but that doesn't mean Treliving shouldn't still try.

Ok, but reports have come out that TRE has been trying to move Marner since last summer. How well did that work out for him? The NMC put cold water in his face (shortly after consuming a Boston Pizza plate of ribs). He can wish things, but clearly he can't do everything he alludes to in his pressers.

 

[Tak7]

Ok, but reports have come out that TRE has been trying to move Marner since last summer. How well did that work out for him? The NMC put cold water in his face (shortly after consuming a Boston Pizza plate of ribs). He can wish things, but clearly he can't do everything he alludes to in his pressers.

What reports?

Carolina approached Toronto regarding Rantanen. That wasn't Tre pursuing a trade.

It also sounds like thee Leafs were bridesmaids in the conversation between Vegas and Carolina last summer according to Mirtle - again, not something that Tre was actively pursuing.

I think he needs to be more forceful now, much like he needed to be more forceful last offseason. The Rangers and Tampa are examples of teams that have had no problems being very firm when trying to move guys out that have trade protection.

 

[Mess]

It's not like Rielly was a flawlessly great player when he was a newly wed or bachelor either.

I wish Rielly would waive his NMC and allow the Leafs to move on.

Neither Marner nor Rielly has the shot nor the ability to manage the point on the PP without a shot to threaten the opposition.

While I appreciate the character of Mo Riells as a person, well spoken and loyal but he also is not tough enough, nor defensive enough, nor has the shot to be a #1 Dman.

 

[Ports]

Treliving doesn't want to trade him. People on this website want to trade him.

Like you know.