Morgan Rielly

[NJG]

At this point he's a liability on defence, we need a LW so why not? wouldn't hurt to try...

Rielly - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Tavares - Nylander
Knies - McMann - Jarnkrok
Lorentz - Kampf - Laughton

McCabe - Carlo
OEL - Tanev
Benoit - Myers

Stolarz - Woll

 

[Menzinger]

If he doesn’t get his act together in the playoffs and if they really care about winning a cup, they’ll buy him out this summer. If they care more about not hurting a players feelings or riling up the fan base then we’re stuck with him.

Buying him out doesn't save the team much money and then saddles them with a 2+ mil plenty until 2030.its not really worth it

If they don't try a trade over the summer they'll just see if he rebounds next season

 

[arso40]

At this point he's a liability on defence, we need a LW so why not? wouldn't hurt to try...

Rielly - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Tavares - Nylander
Knies - McMann - Jarnkrok
Lorentz - Kampf - Laughton

McCabe - Carlo
OEL - Tanev
Benoit - Myers

Stolarz - Woll

That third pair is atrocious

 

[thewave]

Morgan is the worst D-man in the East. He is actually below 3rd pairing level

 

[NJG]

That third pair is atrocious

How so? All three are good defensively and all of them are 15-20+ goal scorers... and how would you know the line is atrocious if it's never been done before?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

How so? All three are good defensively and all of them are 15-20+ goal scorers... and how would you know the line is atrocious if it's never been done before?

Aren't you cute acting glib with your air of superiority.

Pair means two --> third pairing means bottom two defensemen.

 

[Stephen]

Buying him out doesn't save the team much money and then saddles them with a 2+ mil plenty until 2030.its not really worth it

If they don't try a trade over the summer they'll just see if he rebounds next season

I think there’s a savings of under $4 million for most years until 2030, then you get a penalty from 2031 to 2035, and the cap and inflation increasing might mean you just have 1-2% disposal fee on the books, assuming we are well into the $100 million cap world by then.

If they can use some of his cap savings in the meantime to get a Chychrun or something I don’t think it’s an automatic no that buying him out isn’t an option.

He’s just that bad and the animus is just snowballing with every game he plays.

 

[arso40]

How so? All three are good defensively and all of them are 15-20+ goal scorers... and how would you know the line is atrocious if it's never been done before?

Benoit n myers?

 

[NJG]

Benoit n myers?

Read it wrong. I don’t think the third pairing is that bad, plus I’m not worried about the D pairings either combo works. I mean Benoit - Myers are better defensively then Reilly so having Rielly not playing D is already a huge plus for the D in general.

 

[arso40]

Read it wrong. I don’t think the third pairing is that bad, plus I’m not worried about the D pairings either combo works. I mean Benoit - Myers are better defensively then Reilly so having Rielly not playing D is already a huge plus for the D in general.

We won’t get the pucc out of the zone

 

[Puckstuff]

I would honestly dump him in the offseason for nothing and sign Pionk in free agency. How much better are we as a team without Rielly's -21. Probably in 1st place.

Pionk is +21, Rielly is -21.

McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Carlo
Benoit-Pionk

 

[ACC1224]

I would honestly dump him in the offseason for nothing and sign Pionk in free agency. How much better are we as a team without Rielly's -21. Probably in 1st place.

Pionk is +21, Rielly is -21.

McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Carlo
Benoit-Pionk

How do you do that?

 

[Fogelhund]

I would honestly dump him in the offseason for nothing and sign Pionk in free agency. How much better are we as a team without Rielly's -21. Probably in 1st place.

Pionk is +21, Rielly is -21.

McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Carlo
Benoit-Pionk

Rielly is a -5 5v5... the -16 is due to our play 6v5.

It's not as bad as some make it out to be, and it's not why we aren't in first.

Benoit really isn't all that good either, so I'd be looking to replace him as well. I'm all for moving on from Rielly though.

 

[hamzarocks]

Welp Chychuran gone for 9M x 8 with Caps

Id have liked him at 7.5M, but 9M seems a lot for him.

Rielly if he cant bouce back is a 4M player who is lazy and hurts you by being ovet utilized

 

[ToneDog]

Welp Chychuran gone for 9M x 8 with Caps

Id have liked him at 7.5M, but 9M seems a lot for him.

Rielly if he cant bouce back is a 4M player who is lazy and hurts you by being ovet utilized

$9m seems high but you can do it when half your cap does not go to 4 loser forwards and the dman making $7.5m is playing like Justin Holl..

Not surprised he signed with the Caps. Another miss by the Leafs to acquire him on the cheap (see Bennett) when he was available.

 

[ToneDog]

I would honestly dump him in the offseason for nothing and sign Pionk in free agency. How much better are we as a team without Rielly's -21. Probably in 1st place.

Pionk is +21, Rielly is -21.

McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Carlo
Benoit-Pionk

Interesting stat. Rielly has been on for 16 goals scored into our empty net. The core not only sucks 5 on 4 but they also suck 6 on 5.

 

[Stephen]

Rielly is a -5 5v5... the -16 is due to our play 6v5.

It's not as bad as some make it out to be, and it's not why we aren't in first.

Benoit really isn't all that good either, so I'd be looking to replace him as well. I'm all for moving on from Rielly though.

That means every time we’ve been in a position to try and catch up in a game Morgan Rielly has been scored on 16x more than his unit has managed to score vs EN. Sometimes those are multi goal leads and don’t matter too much in the grand scheme of things but that’s not good eh.

 

[Fogelhund]

That means every time we’ve been in a position to try and catch up in a game Morgan Rielly has been scored on 16x more than his unit has managed to score vs EN. Sometimes those are multi goal leads and don’t matter too much in the grand scheme of things but that’s not good eh.

Six guys on the ice. It's not just Rielly getting scored on, and to blindly attribute such goals to him seems baseless.

 

[ToneDog]

Six guys on the ice. It's not just Rielly getting scored on, and to blindly attribute such goals to him seems baseless.

Most of the time, the core 5. IIRC they have scored twice with their net empty to send games into OT. Marner vs Washington and Holmberg vs Boston. Their record with their net empty is about as good as their playoff series record. Yikes.

 

[Fogelhund]

Most of the time, the core 5. IIRC they have scored twice with their net empty to send games into OT. Marner vs Washington and Holmberg vs Boston. Their record with their net empty is about as good as their playoff series record. Yikes.

I'd say partially coaching, I'd say partially Matthews not being able to shoot very well.

 

[Stephen]

Six guys on the ice. It's not just Rielly getting scored on, and to blindly attribute such goals to him seems baseless.

He’s the effing defenseman, and no one else has is carrying that kind of minus around with them, so when you bake in all situations, Rielly is by the far the weakest link.

 

[Fogelhund]

He’s the effing defenseman, and no one else has is carrying that kind of minus around with them, so when you bake in all situations, Rielly is by the far the weakest link.

By what means have you established it's Rielly to be the weakest link, and not Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Knies who at fault for this -16 , at 6v5?

Causation vs. Correlation....

This is baseless.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Six guys on the ice. It's not just Rielly getting scored on, and to blindly attribute such goals to him seems baseless.

Regardless of anyone's play this year, 100% this. I don't care which regular of the 6 on 5 crew you want to pick, but a record this bad in these situations is completely on coaching and not one single player.

 

[arso40]

By what means have you established it's Rielly to be the weakest link, and not Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Knies who at fault for this -16 , at 6v5?

Causation vs. Correlation....

This is baseless.

As the defensemen your the last line of defence he has been anything but that it’s literally his job to play defence

 

[tuckerintensity]

As the defensemen your the last line of defence he has been anything but that it’s literally his job to play defence

This is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder why anyone comes here to try to chat hockey (including me). There's next to no rational conversation to be had, everything is just over the top, extreme, zero in between.

We roll out Matty, Mitch, Willy, Johnny, Knies, and Rielly on the 6 on 5. No one on that unit is there to be any line of defence, let along the last one. They are there to possess the puck, put pressure in their zone, and try to get one back. Heck, Rielly is often not even the closest guy to our net. One of the forwards is rushing it like it's a power play (which also sucks), when we're in the zone we're rotating positions like they are suggestions and asking everyone and anyone to pinch down the wings to get to any loose puck.

Rielly might be having a bad year, but saying his (or anyone's job) on the 6 on 5 is to play defence is just here to troll it up. We've got a system and/or deployment issue when it comes to the man advantage, not a personnel issue.