Player Discussion Morgan Rielly

[thewave]

Pro athlete or not, no one should make their kid a second priority to anything in life. He is a dad, maybe it has affected his performance, but he is a dad first and foremost. Not everyone is selfish enough to pawn their kids off to be raised by a third party so they can focus on their career.

Whatever is happening to Mo' this season, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. He has been a good soldier his entire career here. 1 shit year and you guys are willing to throw him out the window.

A dad first lol. This is the biggest joke ever, honestly. Men have been traveling the world, work as pilots, politicians, slaves and went by boat off to war for freaking thousands of years.

As a hockey player he has a long summer off and has days off from the rink etc. you don't sit and watch your kid 12hrs a day even when they are napping etc. this is so weird.

Honestly baffled.

 

[mclaren55]

A dad first lol. This is the biggest joke ever, honestly. Men have been traveling the world, work as pilots, politicians, slaves and went by boat off to war for freaking thousands of years.

As a hockey player he has a long summer off and has days off from the rink etc. you don't sit and watch your kid 12hrs a day even when they are napping etc. this is so weird.

Honestly baffled.

The only thing weird here is your take. Pilots have one of the highest divorce rates out of any profession, how do I know? I was a pilot.

You're basically saying "Lots of people put their jobs first", then threw in slaves and draftees for some reason, people who are forcibly removed from their families as some sort of pivot to being equitable to being a good father. I can tell you don't have kids, you probably shouldn't if that's your perspective.

 

[thewave]

The only thing weird here is your take. Pilots have one of the highest divorce rates out of any profession, how do I know? I was a pilot.

You're basically saying "Lots of people put their jobs first", then threw in slaves and draftees for some reason, people who are forcibly removed from their families as some sort of pivot to being equitable to being a good father. I can tell you don't have kids, you probably shouldn't if that's your perspective.

So what in the heck is he doing back at home? Like he can't do anything to prep for his job? I can't even comprehend the level of disconnect in this.

You know what happens to dad's that don't perform at their gd mfing jobs around the world newborn or not? They get fing fired.

If an employer can expect his 7.5m employee to turn to shit, the employer should reserve the right to suspend or can his ass.

 

[mclaren55]

So what in the heck is he doing back at home? Like he can't do anything to prep for his job?

You know what happens to dad's that don't perform at their gd mfing jobs around the world newborn or not? They get fing fired.

If an employer can expect his 7.5m employee to turn to shit, the employer should reserve the right to suspend or can his ass.

Ok, and? If the Leafs feel like Morgan is negligent in his duties they will release him. Problem solved (for you).

The amount of emotion in your posts about this team are concerning, take a step back. It's just entertainment.

 

[thewave]

Ok, and? If the Leafs feel like Morgan is negligent in his duties they will release him. Problem solved (for you).

The amount of emotion in your posts about this team are concerning, take a step back. It's just entertainment.

It's like some anti-human post. It's weird man. Native tribes literally left wives at home to hunt for 3 days so they can eat for thousands of years.

And you are saying Morgan has a child so he can't stay in shape, stay focused and needs time with his kid. What do you do, stop going to work and playing with your kid day and night?

It's weird weird weird not normal at all.

 

[mclaren55]

It's like some anti-human post. It's weird man. Native tribes literally left wives at home to hunt for 3 days so they can eat for thousands of years.

And you are saying Morgan has a child so he can't stay in shape, stay focused and needs time with his kid. What do you do, stop going to work and playing with your kid day and night?

It's weird weird weird not normal at all.

Out of necessity, right? Just like "Slaves and Draftees", correct?

What is your evidence of all of these assumptions you have? You are literally just spewing non-factual garbage and equating it to Morgans fall off. I'm simply responding to your assumptions that aren't based in reality or fact. You've never had a newborn, so you don't understand what 1am crying is like, or the severe lack of sleep you get during the first year. You think "just hire somebody and keep the kid away" is a solution. You are the one here with the weird "anti-human" posts.

The point I'm making is if your kid is crying in the night, you aren't thinking "oh this may objectively make my performance at work worse tomorrow", it's "my kid is crying I'm going to see why". Grow up.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

This guy has been problematic on the ice (defensively) for the past 2-3 years. If he won't waive his NMC for a trade, then buy him out this summer. He needs to be gone ASAP.

 

[thewave]

Out of necessity, right? Just like "Slaves and Draftees", correct?

What is your evidence of all of these assumptions you have? You are literally just spewing non-factual garbage and equating it to Morgans fall off. I'm simply responding to your assumptions that aren't based in reality or fact. You've never had a newborn, so you don't understand what 1am crying is like, or the severe lack of sleep you get during the first year. You think "just hire somebody and keep the kid away" is a solution. You are the one here with the weird "anti-human" posts.

The point I'm making is if your kid is crying in the night, you aren't thinking "oh this may objectively make my performance at work worse tomorrow", it's "my kid is crying I'm going to see why". Grow up.

Hire someone.

Make a room away so you don't wake up on game nights.

Move your mother in-law in to help

Adjust lifestyle to allow you to perform at your work.

He is being paid 7.5m so he can figure out and has the tools and support to perform.

Tribes, construction workers went to other town and still do. Tons of men are away for work. She knew he was a hockey player when she met him FFS.

NHL needs the Morgan Reilly clause. If a player degrades after starting a family the team reserves the right to terminate with 1 years pay and no cap hit. I mean you say this is normal right. Well if this is the norm then teams should be able to protect themselves from normal events

 

[banks]

It's like some anti-human post. It's weird man. Native tribes literally left wives at home to hunt for 3 days so they can eat for thousands of years.

And you are saying Morgan has a child so he can't stay in shape, stay focused and needs time with his kid. What do you do, stop going to work and playing with your kid day and night?

It's weird weird weird not normal at all.

Hunter's left for days because if they didn't their wives and kids would starve to death.

Someone says "it's understandable that having a child would have an effect on an athlete's performance" and "being a father comes before being an athlete" and you decide to take umbrage? You're the one being weird here.

 

[thewave]

Hunter's left for days because if they didn't their wives and kids would starve to death.

Someone says "it's understandable that having a child would have an effect on an athlete's performance" and "being a father comes before being an athlete" and you decide to take umbrage? You're the one being weird here.

He is not even performing at NHL level. This is not normal for NHL professionals. It is not professional at all.

Men work abroad and away from wives with small kids all the time and perform their jobs to a high level.

Morgan Reilly decline is weird. Defending it with the excuse of having a kid is weird.

 

[thewave]

It sounds like you are defending unprofessional people. Lazy people and people that make excuses to shed responsibility. He is paid to perform. Perhaps you are not paid to perform which is fine. Lots of Canadians have cushy jobs like that while our economy is falling apart. No matter. Entitlement class lives on, Morgan don't worry about your job, at 66% of your buyout you kid will be fine.

To hell with the rest of society that the just had a kid excuse doesn't work for and lose their job for and lose their home. Entitlement class must have their privileges and no sacrifices. That is for the sub 100k a year peasants

 

[mclaren55]

It sounds like you are defending unprofessional people. Lazy people and people that make excuses to shed responsibility. He is paid to perform. Perhaps you are not paid to perform which is fine. Lots of Canadians have cushy jobs like that while our economy is falling apart. No matter. Entitlement class lives on, Morgan don't worry about your job, at 66% of your buyout you kid will be fine.

To hell with the rest of society that the just had a kid excuse doesn't work for and lose their job for and lose their home. Entitlement class must have their privileges and no sacrifices. That is for the sub 100k a year peasants

Uh, what?

People are just stating the obvious, having a new born child does affect your performance. There is no way around it, outside of banishing your kid and isolating yourself, which is completely inexcusable behaviour for a parent. You somehow equate that to some sort of weird class dynamic, or think that means accepting Morgans decline is acceptable. Morgan underperforming this year is bad, maybe that's because he has a new born, maybe it's something else, maybe it's a combination of factors.

What you are doing is making up narratives in your head that aren't even provable, and then lashing out at people. No one is defending "lazy" people, they are simply making observations.

Keep going on your rant though, seems like you need to get some stuff out.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

My kids were only 18 months apart and hyperactive little brats but they never affected my job performance.

All the booze I drank to get through the day did though.

 

[thewave]

Uh, what?

People are just stating the obvious, having a new born child does affect your performance. There is no way around it, outside of banishing your kid and isolating yourself, which is completely inexcusable behaviour for a parent. You somehow equate that to some sort of weird class dynamic, or think that means accepting Morgans decline is acceptable. Morgan underperforming this year is bad, maybe that's because he has a new born, maybe it's something else, maybe it's a combination of factors.

What you are doing is making up narratives in your head that aren't even provable, and then lashing out at people. No one is defending "lazy" people, they are simply making observations.

Keep going on your rant though, seems like you need to get some stuff out.

There is affecting and falling off a cliff into the abyss. Morgans dropoff has been so severe, I have basically never witnessed it before. As a professional a new child does not excuse this level of unprofessionalism. He should be terminated for this.

Defending this player, Morgan is nearly impossible and the way you made it out it sounds very much like elitism, defending the entitled and privileged.

If you are an elitist or privileged that's great. Most people would not get away with this drop off in performance

 

[ITM]

Uh, what?

People are just stating the obvious, having a new born child does affect your performance. There is no way around it, outside of banishing your kid and isolating yourself, which is completely inexcusable behaviour for a parent. You somehow equate that to some sort of weird class dynamic, or think that means accepting Morgans decline is acceptable. Morgan underperforming this year is bad, maybe that's because he has a new born, maybe it's something else, maybe it's a combination of factors.

What you are doing is making up narratives in your head that aren't even provable, and then lashing out at people. No one is defending "lazy" people, they are simply making observations.

Keep going on your rant though, seems like you need to get some stuff out.

This; And until you know, you just don't know how much of an impact it has on your sleep. When you're blessed with another child, it isn't a doubling of effort, it's - lmao - exponential.

Well said.

 

[thewave]

This; And until you know, you just don't know how much of an impact it has on your sleep. When you're blessed with another child, it isn't a doubling of effort, it's - lmao - exponential.

Well said.

I agree it can cause a drop in performance. That is not what Morgan is having. Morgan Reilly went fro a top 4D to unserviceable right after getting a new contract. That is not professional.

A dropoff like this should leave him vulnerable to termination without penalty to cap or what have you.

 

[Enniskillen]

He was on the road playing like shit, so it’s not a newborn issue. Just a decline in general.

 

[thewave]

He was on the road playing like shit, so it’s not a newborn issue. Just a decline in general.

Exactly I mentioned that as well.

 

[mclaren55]

There is affecting and falling off a cliff into the abyss. Morgans dropoff has been so severe, I have basically never witnessed it before. As a professional a new child does not excuse this level of unprofessionalism. He should be terminated for this.

Defending this player, Morgan is nearly impossible and the way you made it out it sounds very much like elitism, defending the entitled and privileged.

If you are an elitist or privileged that's great. Most people would not get away with this drop off in performance

I'm not defending his decline, just stating the obvious to your crass interpretation of what it means to be a parent.

Waive him, keep him, I couldn't care to be quite honest. His ability to play hockey has zero impact on me as an individual. I simply thought it may be more pragmatic to give him another season to try to rebound. You've already stated "he is almost untradeable" at this point, so why not see if he can bounce back and increase his value?

He was on the road playing like shit, so it’s not a newborn issue. Just a decline in general.

Lack of rest is cumulative, and typically takes more than a week or two to rebound. You are correct though, it *could* be a general decline.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Pro athlete or not, no one should make their kid a second priority to anything in life. He is a dad, maybe it has affected his performance, but he is a dad first and foremost. Not everyone is selfish enough to pawn their kids off to be raised by a third party so they can focus on their career.

Whatever is happening to Mo' this season, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. He has been a good soldier his entire career here. 1 shit year and you guys are willing to throw him out the window.

Playoffs last year was actually the nail in the coffin

 

[IPS]

Once again the fanbase just defends players not performing with nonsense excuses.

Rielly became a father back in July. And there's actually legitimate studies done on if fatherhood effects athletes and the results are extremely varied, just to quell the irrelevant anecdotes you always hear come up in these discussions.

 

[thewave]

I'm not defending his decline, just stating the obvious to your crass interpretation of what it means to be a parent.

Waive him, keep him, I couldn't care to be quite honest. His ability to play hockey has zero impact on me as an individual. I simply thought it may be more pragmatic to give him another season to try to rebound. You've already stated "he is almost untradeable" at this point, so why not see if he can bounce back and increase his value?


Lack of rest is cumulative, and typically takes more than a week or two to rebound. You are correct though, it *could* be a general decline.

That's for managers to decide. The only actual issue I take with this is that in situations like this, if a buyout is required we are affected in a sensitive area. Cap.

This is another CBA item. What happens when there is cognitive issues for whatever reason and a player can not perform evem close to normal suddenly after signing.

Just like there should be cap balancing for areas with different tax rate. There should be a method even if limited to get out of a bad situation like this without detriment to your cap.

Once again the fanbase just defends players not performing with nonsense excuses.

Rielly became a father back in July. And there's actually legitimate studies done on if fatherhood effects athletes and the results are extremely varied, just to quell the irrelevant anecdotes you always hear come up in these discussions.

I think Kadri and Grabovski had increased on ice performance off the top of my head.

 

[IPS]

I think Kadri and Grabovski had increased on ice performance off the top of my head.

Go through every sport and I'm sure it'll mirror the varied results the studies show. Can't just use it as an excuse when a player you like isn't performing up to par.

 

[thewave]

Go through every sport and I'm sure it'll mirror the varied results the studies show. Can't just use it as an excuse when a player you like isn't performing up to par.

For sure.

He honestly looks like he doesn't care to play anymore.

 

[ITM]

I agree it can cause a drop in performance. That is not what Morgan is having. Morgan Reilly went fro a top 4D to unserviceable right after getting a new contract. That is not professional.

A dropoff like this should leave him vulnerable to termination without penalty to cap or what have you.

No disagreement here. I think whatever happens in the summer, we're almost obligated to move him out. How would a Joshua/Soucy trade have looked before the deadline?

At any rate. July 1 comes quickly and if Playoffs Captain Morgan shows up, great, if not...Meh: July 1 is approaching.