Do the rest of them receive the oppositions first line cause Riellys had the luxury of a d pair on his team that faces number 1 lines on the other team
Player Discussion Morgan Rielly
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Aashir Mallik
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you can't play 22-26 minutes a night, with ~20 minutes of even-strength a night without playing top end competition
Rielly comes out with Matthews and Marner, and apart from Tampa 2023 that line came out against the best of the best (Kucherov, Tkachuk, Pastrnak).
Rielly has been elite in the playoffs, there is no argument there
How is this guy top 16-25 are you nuts?
The guy is utterly useless on PP and PK and he is easily one of the worst D in the entire league defensively.
You talk about past achievements yet Mo was absolutely trash in the regular season and playoffs last year. Garbage so far this year.
The guy is nowhere near top 25. His points totals in previous years are merely a function of being gifted minutes with top offensive forwards. His points are secondary assists and usually unintentional. He stinks period.
Did you not see pk on his assessment on Rielly he’s no where near a number 1 he’s been miscasted the whole time
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yea he is so useless on the pp that he only gets 20 points yearly where every year he is yo-yo’d down for the likes of Barrie,Sandin,Liljegren,muzzin,Brodie and he does better than them all. He’s not great, but the pp not working is more on the 3 amigos and their inability to play powerplay hockey. Matthews can’t make a pass, Marner can’t shot and score on an empty net, And nylander frankly isn’t talented/work hard enough to do either at an elite level. He’s a decent distributor and really good at keeping the line. Our pp should be going through Marner-nylander-Matthews, not Rielly.
No arguments for the pk, he isn’t good enough defensively to play on it.
He was so bad last year he paced for 66 points and had a higher A1/60 than A2/60 (can’t find the totals). Infact that has been true for 5 years (6 including this) where that has happened. So much for secondary nothing assist, even thhough a lot of them are clean zone exits from him
If he stinks, Hamilton is awful, Jones is unplayable, Werenski is bad and many other #1’s are actually #3-4’s in disguise
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Yawn. Can you please do at least a tiny bit of fact checking and provide stats to back up some of your claims?
You keep ignoring that he was 9th in ppg amongst defensemen last regular season. How, in any way, does that translate to a "horrible season"?
Also, how do you explain his playoff production where he's produced well despite our offensive forwards not producing to expectations?
Some stats to back-up my claims regarding his regular season last year:
- 9th in defensemen ppg despite not being in the top 25 for pp toi/game.
- Leafs were 25th in the league powerplay opportunities (aka near the bottom of the league in powerplay opportunities).
- 5th in primary assists amongst dmen
So how exactly is the dmen with the 5th most primary assists getting less powerplays and pp toi per game getting all his points as secondary assists on the PP?
Rielly has been a fixture on PP1 forever so this make believe yo yo crap you speak of is nonsense.
When any D is gifted minutes with all stars on the PP he is going to score a few points. He ain’t setting up plays, making great passes. When he is on the PP it is basically 4 on 4. We all know he has a muffin of a shot and he is unable to execute a one timer.
In 2022-2023 he wasn’t even top 30 in scoring for D.
Rielly is a low IQ player and one of the worst defensively in the league. There is no debate here. He has zero understanding how to defend, refuses to ever use his body despite his hefty frame and is a liability. Nobody would ever put the guy on the ice in the final minute protecting a lead.
The guy is a major bonehead. All these years I have heard his partner is the real problem yet he is dragging Tanev down with him.
The team’s winning % speaks for itself when he is out of the lineup.
For me he is a net negative and a perennial loser.
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Aashir Mallik
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Oh man you’ve convinced me you don’t watch hockey
The teams winning percentage is elite without Matthews, f***ing hell we are undefeated in the post season without him, maybe he’s the problem and we should deal him for a 5th round puck.
You had to go back another year to make a point because last year didn’t fit your narrative. And yet he was 24th in ppg in a down year. You use points but the man played 65 games.
If you wanna use totals, in the last 3 years, Rielly is 13th in PPP, so idk if he’s as bad as you claim.
Again our PP is most effective when the core 3 are going, it doesn’t look any better with OEL there and it won’t until the core 3 get their heads out of their asses.
I wouldn’t put burns, Hughes, dahlin, Bouchard, and many more out with a minute left, that doesn’t mean they aren’t/weren’t good.
he is consistently outplaying his opposition, and again steps up in the playoffs.
For me he is a net positive and the best of the bunch of losers.
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Deez nutz has been a rielly hater since the kessel era
RIelly isnt ever living up to what people envisioned back in 2015, 2016 but hes been the best D-man we have had since 06.
I dont care if he is dealt or kept at this point.
A shrewd/cunning GM would leverage a Rielly package for a prospect offensive D and then acquire Marcus Pettersson to play top pairing LHD in the summer
I doubt we will trade Rielly even if it makes sense for both sides.
Hopefully ue can play like he has the past few games and keeps his strong playoffs intact. A ppg playoff run would get people excited again
RIelly isnt ever living up to what people envisioned back in 2015, 2016 but hes been the best D-man we have had since 06.
I dont care if he is dealt or kept at this point.
A shrewd/cunning GM would leverage a Rielly package for a prospect offensive D and then acquire Marcus Pettersson to play top pairing LHD in the summer
I doubt we will trade Rielly even if it makes sense for both sides.
Hopefully ue can play like he has the past few games and keeps his strong playoffs intact. A ppg playoff run would get people excited again
This is true, when drafted I had high hopes but he has been a huge let down and atrocious player in my opinion. No doubt I’ve been a “hater” for a very long time.
Maybe if the organization could draft and develop D and wasn’t forced to play him big minutes I wouldn’t be so harsh.
But I ain’t the only one who thinks he sucks. And he ain’t getting traded, his contract is horrendous for what he brings. Nobody would ever give up anything of value for him and be stuck with the pylon for another 5 years.
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thewave
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Exactly.
Toronto Maple Leafs are now commited to sell the jerseys and names on them. Winning a cup is pretty much a lost cause but tre is going to shift things around and hope to get our hopes up for sure.
Dubas killed our shot.
We are now shackled to anchors via overpays and NMCs and Shanahan has the balls of a rat.
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Have you watched Ekblad recently? He's not the player he used to be and was Florida's #3 during their playoff run.
He's substantially worse than Morgan Rielly.
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We have a very good D man who will get over 500 points in his career this year. He took a pay cut to stay here and last year had 58 points in 72 games for 7.5m per year. So under appreciated in this forum
The Leafs will never go deep into the playoffs with Reilly as the number 1 dman. I would ask Reilly this summer to waive his NMC and target a defenseman with different attributes. Leafs dont need a puck carrier, they need a defenseman who takes pride in winning battles down low, playing defense, offense is not important at all. They top 4 is old and the drop off is going to be happening every year as none are in their prime.
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He has done well until last year. He just needs to get over the honeymoon and back to work. It was to the point every shot hit the crest dead on and was driving people crazy.
We all just want him to come back around and it looks like he is. Not like he lost his toolbox, probably needs to lose some weight though.
Last 5 years Regular Season:
Games Played, 285, 46th overall
P/GP, 0.730, 9th overall
TOI, 23:09, 28th overall
PP TOI, 2:51 23rd overall
PPP, 72, 14th overall
ESP, 132, 11th overall
GWP, 42, 7th overall
OTP, 11, 8th overall
P/60 all situations, 1.891, 11th overall
Playoffs:
Games Played, 32, 44th overall
P/GP, 0.750, 7th overall
G, 8, tied for 4th overall
A, 16, tied for 12th overall
P, 24, 10th overall
TOI, 24:19, 20th overall
PP TOI, 3:28, 7th overall
PPP, 4, tied for 17th overall
ESG, 7, tied for 2nd overall
GWG, 2, tied for 3rd overall
P/60 all situations, 1.850, 5th overall
I can appreciate people being disappointed with Rielly's defensive game. I'd ask them to remember the rotating cast of partners he's been asked to play with over the years. And, questionable goaltending that we have received during much of that period. He is not a defensive stalwart. However, imo if you look at the above numbers and then try to argue he is an overpaid 3rd, or even a low ranked 2nd defenseman, all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
Games Played, 285, 46th overall
P/GP, 0.730, 9th overall
TOI, 23:09, 28th overall
PP TOI, 2:51 23rd overall
PPP, 72, 14th overall
ESP, 132, 11th overall
GWP, 42, 7th overall
OTP, 11, 8th overall
P/60 all situations, 1.891, 11th overall
Playoffs:
Games Played, 32, 44th overall
P/GP, 0.750, 7th overall
G, 8, tied for 4th overall
A, 16, tied for 12th overall
P, 24, 10th overall
TOI, 24:19, 20th overall
PP TOI, 3:28, 7th overall
PPP, 4, tied for 17th overall
ESG, 7, tied for 2nd overall
GWG, 2, tied for 3rd overall
P/60 all situations, 1.850, 5th overall
I can appreciate people being disappointed with Rielly's defensive game. I'd ask them to remember the rotating cast of partners he's been asked to play with over the years. And, questionable goaltending that we have received during much of that period. He is not a defensive stalwart. However, imo if you look at the above numbers and then try to argue he is an overpaid 3rd, or even a low ranked 2nd defenseman, all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
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I get it but I am sure you can appreciate that he hasn't been at his best for a bit. Hoping that goal gets him on track again and it's a conditioning, newlywed, honeymoon hangover thing.
I get it too, he can at times be a frustrating player to watch, especially in his own zone. But, and here is the thing for me, this place can get so 'down' on a player, that it's like a 'piling on' free for all. Morgan ain't the 2nd coming of _________ fill in the blank. But, he has consistently been one of the better offensive dmen in the game over the last 5 (and arguably more) years, while never having a consistently good partner to work with, or solidly good goaltending to rely upon. All defensemen make mistakes, but when the goalie bails them out, especially in the playoffs, we tend to forget about the mistake and marvel at the save, especially if the save leads to wins. Hedman has Vas behind him, Fox had Hank and now Shesterkin, and Josi with Saros, or Morrisey has Hellebucyk are a few examples. Heck, Theodore and Petro had Adin Hill post a .932. And, Rielly has never had a Theodore or Petro to work with, or a Makar/Toews like partner.
He is a good player with flaws, as are most players. Things just get magnified here.
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What boggles my mind is that the people putting down Rielly are the same ones praising Tanev and OEL.
Rielly is hands down the best defenseman on this team. It's not even close. That statement will remain just as true for the foreseeable future as it is now.
Do I wish the Leafs had a better number one defenseman than Rielly?
Hell yeah I do. I wish they had three or four defensemen better than Rielly. But Treliving botched the blueline rebuild.
So Rielly remains the number one defenseman on the team.
That's not about to change any time soon either. Because Treliving also signed all those guys for the duration of the Matthews contract. So barring a significant trade to bring in an upgrade over Rielly this is as good as it gets.
He might not be the best there is but he's the best they got.
Rielly is hands down the best defenseman on this team. It's not even close. That statement will remain just as true for the foreseeable future as it is now.
Do I wish the Leafs had a better number one defenseman than Rielly?
Hell yeah I do. I wish they had three or four defensemen better than Rielly. But Treliving botched the blueline rebuild.
So Rielly remains the number one defenseman on the team.
That's not about to change any time soon either. Because Treliving also signed all those guys for the duration of the Matthews contract. So barring a significant trade to bring in an upgrade over Rielly this is as good as it gets.
He might not be the best there is but he's the best they got.
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