Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[Curufinwe]

By saying "let's not pretend they are good players" you're saying they are bad. Average is not bad. In a league where 384 forwards play games (plus the 50 or 60 forwards who are scratched as non regulars) being a better scorer than 192 of those players is a good hockey player. Also low end 2nd line/good 3rd line is a good hockey player. Again I don't know what you expected from mid to late 1st rd picks but they all aren't Konecny. The main reason people are upset is not cause they traded Frost and Farabee but rather they were traded for below their combined value. If it's so easy to replace them how do you think the Flyers will do so? Perhaps FA but I think you'll be disappointed for what they sign players who score between 40-50 pts. Hell they signed Laughton to 3mil a year and he clipped 30 pts a season only once by that point

It's objectively difficult to score more than 1.8 P/60 at 5on5 on this Tortorella coached team. That's why the Flyers only have four forwards who have managed it out of the 20 who have played 300+ minutes under Torts.

Two have gigantic 8 year contracts, and two were just traded for a pittance.

 

[BillDineen]

Briere did say they tried to sign Kuz when he was coming over, but he chose Van.

 

[MJL66]

I'm not saying they're not NHLers. They're good third liners/lower end second liners. They're the very definition of average. I just don't get the outpouring of grief over losing two eminently replaceable players.

I showed you how they're well above average. I don't think you know what an average player is in the NHL. Why would Calgary trade for 2 players that any team can pick up any day of the week?

 

[Magua]

Briere did say they tried to sign Kuz when he was coming over, but he chose Van.

“They”? Briere was only a Special Assistant for several months. So, Fletcher and Flahr, basically. Remember: they are irrelevant.

Briere might be the most smooth-brained manager in hockey, but it’s worthy to discuss how much influence Flahr and Murray have on major decisions. Because Briere sure as shit doesn’t come across as a strong-minded manager besides practicing past expiration date cliches in the mirror.

(Frost and Farabee were also not Flahr picks, mind you. Don’t need to pretend that didn’t factor into favoritism.)

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Briere did say they tried to sign Kuz when he was coming over, but he chose Van.

That tracks with things I was reading as the trade was happening and things I read on the Flames board. Namely that Danny made the first call that day, and he and Jones personally reached out to Kuz to try to get him to waive his clause.

It's really not a stretch to think he was at least somewhat of a target in all this. Especially when their (dubious at best) reason was something like "getting a look at him" for the rest of the season. It's like the Russian translator situation all over again. You couldn't just hire a guy to watch Flames games? We went from trading for the rights to negotiate with Kevin Hayes, to trading for an in season tryout.

 

[pit]

I just don't get the outpouring of grief over losing two eminently replaceable players.

The problem is current management has yet to show that they have the capacity to replace even replaceable players, let alone average players.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Watched the Kuzmenko presser. Looks like he'll be a fun teammate. Hopefully he can find some chemistry with Michkov and get Matvei back into the Calder conversation.

I honestly believe that Torts is going to hate his personality.

I don't think I've seen Kuzmenko speak to the media before today. He was never one of the regular interviews in Vancouver.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[FlyerNutter]

 

[volnoir]

Watched the Kuzmenko presser. Looks like he'll be a fun teammate. Hopefully he can find some chemistry with Michkov and get Matvei back into the Calder conversation.

I honestly believe that Torts is going to hate his personality.

I don't think I've seen Kuzmenko speak to the media before today. He was never one of the regular interviews in Vancouver.

Buddy in Calgary said we will absolutely love Kuzmenko in press conferences. He's absolutely hilarious.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Watched the Kuzmenko presser. Looks like he'll be a fun teammate. Hopefully he can find some chemistry with Michkov and get Matvei back into the Calder conversation.

I honestly believe that Torts is going to hate his personality.

I don't think I've seen Kuzmenko speak to the media before today. He was never one of the regular interviews in Vancouver.

I am SO here for all of this!! Can you imagine if this dude does the Kuznetsov chicken dance or something after scoring?

I honestly want this guy to be a "bad" influence on Michkov. The thought of him making Michky giggle by whispering in Russian while TORTS is holding court makes me smile on the inside.

Michkov is 20 yrs old living his dream. Kid should be having fun. I wonder what "fun" would do for the culture?

 

[Boocowski]

The calender year of 2027? Is that what you are being specific about?

To be clear I believe that in the fall of 2027 so the 27/28 season this will definitely be a playoff team. Might be sooner but definitely then.

 

[Curufinwe]

Buddy in Calgary said we will absolutely love Kuzmenko in press conferences. He's absolutely hilarious.

If he drives Torts crazy that would be awesome

 

[BernieParent]

I am SO here for all of this!! Can you imagine if this dude does the Kuznetsov chicken dance or something after scoring?

I honestly want this guy to be a "bad" influence on Michkov. The thought of him making Michky giggle by whispering in Russian while TORTS is holding court makes me smile on the inside.

Michkov is 20 yrs old living his dream. Kid should be having fun. I wonder what "fun" would do for the culture?

We have had the Super Friends incarnation of culture and presently the "We're all suffering together (but some more than others)" iteration with John Roperella. Why not the "Welcome back, Kotter" (ask your parents) version?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Which stats show this? Frost's career high is 46 points and Farabee's 50. This season Frost is 190th for points and Farabee is 278th. Over the past three years combined they're 163rd and 171st respectively. If you go by P/GP over that period it's even worse - 215th and 259th. They're objectively average players who haven't developed into what we hoped they'd be. Whether that's through bad management or not is up for debate, but that's another talking point. The fact remains we can pick up Farabees and Frosts any day of the week.

They may end up proving me wrong by rebounding wildly in Canada and I like them both so i hope they do, but i doubt it. They are who they are by this point in their career, they're ten-a-penny.



Hard to say whether it's bad drafting or (my pick) bad player development. I'll bat for you on that argument all day long, we're a franchise routinely f***ing up players with seemingly high potential.

Bro doesn't know how to divide by 32.

 

[Larry44]

Well, can’t miss a JMyrt HJ, can we?

 

[Kshahdoo]

Kuzmenko is opposite to Tippett, slow and moody, but great IQ and hands. He's very good around the nets. Style wise kinda similar to Michkov.