Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[HeadLiceHatty]

The Flames have put out social media posts about Frost and Farabee akin to blitzkrieg.

The Flyers?

#culture #halfacentury, get ready to die without seeing a cup.

Wow. Way to really put your foot down with bold predictions like "young FAs" will be signed and old ones won't. At least you were specific and didn't vaguely describe your positions so you can argue nuance if they don't end up right.

1) Laughton won't be traded this deadline.

2) Torts won't be fired before the start of the 25-26 season.

3) The Flyers will enter the 25-26 and 26-27 within 1.5 million dollars of the cap.

4) They won't make the playoffs in 25-26 or 26-27.

5) Jett won't play more then 25 games for the Flyers in 25-26.

Anyone who is still watching in 2026 will be a full on alcoholic to bear watching.

 

[1865]

Cool story. The Flyers also have 1 point in 3 games.

Edit: My bad, Flyers have 1 point in 4 games. Carry on

We sucked with them, we suck without them. Let's not pretend that Farabee and Frost are good players just to fit our arguments against management and ownership though.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

We sucked with them, we suck without them. Let's not pretend that Farabee and Frost are good players just to fit our arguments against management and ownership though.

But they are good players as statistics have shown. Just cause John and you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't good players. If this team actually built themselves the right way frost and farabee could have been nice complimentary pieces to the middle 6 forward group

 

[dragonoffrost]

We sucked with them, we suck without them. Let's not pretend that Farabee and Frost are good players just to fit our arguments against management and ownership though.

So you are saying the Flyers scouting and drafting failed for those two picks?

 

[MJL66]

Sure buddy zero understanding. Watched hockey all my life. Played hockey but explain to me again about those blue lines. I need to learn from the experts obviously.

Your replies give you away. You prove that you don't. every single day.

 

[1865]

But they are good players as statistics have shown. Just cause John and you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't good players. If this team actually built themselves the right way frost and farabee could have been nice complimentary pieces to the middle 6 forward group

Which stats show this? Frost's career high is 46 points and Farabee's 50. This season Frost is 190th for points and Farabee is 278th. Over the past three years combined they're 163rd and 171st respectively. If you go by P/GP over that period it's even worse - 215th and 259th. They're objectively average players who haven't developed into what we hoped they'd be. Whether that's through bad management or not is up for debate, but that's another talking point. The fact remains we can pick up Farabees and Frosts any day of the week.

They may end up proving me wrong by rebounding wildly in Canada and I like them both so i hope they do, but i doubt it. They are who they are by this point in their career, they're ten-a-penny.

So you are saying the Flyers scouting and drafting failed for those two picks?

Hard to say whether it's bad drafting or (my pick) bad player development. I'll bat for you on that argument all day long, we're a franchise routinely f***ing up players with seemingly high potential.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Which stats show this? Frost's career high is 46 points and Farabee's 50. This season Frost is 190th for points and Farabee is 278th. Over the past three years combined they're 163rd and 171st respectively. If you go by P/GP over that period it's even worse - 215th and 259th. They're objectively average players who haven't developed into what we hoped they'd be. Whether that's through bad management or not is up for debate, but that's another talking point. The fact remains we can pick up Farabees and Frosts any day of the week.

They may end up proving me wrong by rebounding wildly in Canada and I like them both so i hope they do, but i doubt it. They are who they are by this point in their career, they're ten-a-penny.



Hard to say whether it's bad drafting or (my pick) bad player development. I'll bat for you on that argument all day long, we're a franchise routinely f***ing up players with seemingly high potential.

But you said not to pretend that they are good players. That reads that it's not the teams fault but the players fault.


I believe they will rebound in Calgary. They have had two utterly atrocious coaches here back to back.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Morgan Frost developed into exactly what the majority of this board expected of him.

Just because he didn’t develop into what the Flyers thought he would be doesn’t mean that Frost can be downplayed. Blame the scouting staff and the coaches for expecting him to be something he’s not. That’s on them and another miss by the organization.

We’re seeing the same exact thing with York right now. They want him to be something he’s not and they hold it against him.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Which stats show this? Frost's career high is 46 points and Farabee's 50. This season Frost is 190th for points and Farabee is 278th. Over the past three years combined they're 163rd and 171st respectively. If you go by P/GP over that period it's even worse - 215th and 259th. They're objectively average players who haven't developed into what we hoped they'd be. Whether that's through bad management or not is up for debate, but that's another talking point. The fact remains we can pick up Farabees and Frosts any day of the week.

They may end up proving me wrong by rebounding wildly in Canada and I like them both so i hope they do, but i doubt it. They are who they are by this point in their career, they're ten-a-penny.



Hard to say whether it's bad drafting or (my pick) bad player development. I'll bat for you on that argument all day long, we're a franchise routinely f***ing up players with seemingly high potential.

I don't know what your expectations are for mid to late 1st rd picks but if you get average to above average players the team made good picks. By comparison Laughton, also a late 1st pick, is even worse as an offensive player then both farabee and frost, and his defense is equally atrocious. Yet he's lauded because intangibles even though he is a worse player.

As I said before if the Flyers had built their team the right way Frost and Farabee would be nice complimentary players. They are good players and labeling them as bad is bias against them.

 

[MJL66]

Which stats show this? Frost's career high is 46 points and Farabee's 50. This season Frost is 190th for points and Farabee is 278th. Over the past three years combined they're 163rd and 171st respectively. If you go by P/GP over that period it's even worse - 215th and 259th. They're objectively average players who haven't developed into what we hoped they'd be. Whether that's through bad management or not is up for debate, but that's another talking point. The fact remains we can pick up Farabees and Frosts any day of the week.

They may end up proving me wrong by rebounding wildly in Canada and I like them both so i hope they do, but i doubt it. They are who they are by this point in their career, they're ten-a-penny.



Hard to say whether it's bad drafting or (my pick) bad player development. I'll bat for you on that argument all day long, we're a franchise routinely f***ing up players with seemingly high potential.

Let's use some common sense. There are 32 teams in the league. 6 top 6 forwards on every team. 32 X 6 is 192. Farabee is a two time 20 goal scorer and would've had a 3rd 20 goal season if not for injury. Last season, there were 135 forwards in the league who scored 20 or more goals. That averages out to 4.2 20 goal forwards per team. There were 119 forwards who scored 50 or more points. 3.7 forwards per team. There were 104 forwards in the league who scored 20 or more goals and 50 or more points. 3.25 per team.

They certainly weren't stars but both were and are good players. Lets not pretend that they weren't

 

[flyersnorth]

A reasonable scenario is that Frost and Farabee are both perfectly cromulent players relative to their draft position. They're not stars, they're not duds.

Farabee has performed better than several players drafted ahead of him, and better than any player drafted below him in the 1st round.

The same is true of Frost. He's performed better than several players drafted ahead of him, and better than any player drafted below him in the 1st round.

They have both performed better than their draft position relative to their peers in their respective draft years.

The Flyers either expected more from them, which is potentially unreasonable, or they soured on them as "fits". I would say it's both.

And by "they soured on them," I think we all know it's more likely "Torts soured on them."

 

[Larry44]

Let's use some common sense. There are 32 teams in the league. 6 top 6 forwards on every team. 32 X 6 is 192. Farabee is a two time 20 goal scorer and would've had a 3rd 20 goal season if not for injury. Last season, there were 135 forwards in the league who scored 20 or more goals. That averages out to 4.2 20 goal forwards per team. There were 119 forwards who scored 50 or more points. 3.7 forwards per team. There were 104 forwards in the league who scored 20 or more goals and 50 or more points. 3.25 per team.

They certainly weren't stars but both were and are good players. Lets not pretend that they weren't

Frost and Farabee were good middle 6 forwards, with enough skill to play higher up the lineup, on the PP and on the PK. It was dumb to give them up, especially for such a meh return.

 

[MJL66]

Frost and Farabee were good middle 6 forwards, with enough skill to play higher up the lineup, on the PP and on the PK. It was dumb to give them up, especially for such a meh return.

If the team would come out and say that they're doing to true rebuild, then i could live with it. The problem is that they're not and most likely are going to retain players like Laughton and Ristolainen. They're going to be aggressive with the cap space that they have and most of us know what that means. Another incoming disaster and a repeat of the past.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Morgan Frost developed into exactly what the majority of this board expected of him.

Just because he didn’t develop into what the Flyers thought he would be doesn’t mean that Frost can be downplayed. Blame the scouting staff and the coaches for expecting him to be something he’s not. That’s on them and another miss by the organization.

We’re seeing the same exact thing with York right now. They want him to be something he’s not and they hold it against him.

It's easy to tear everything down and tank. The hard part is to build a competitive team. Flyers have picked top5 and gotten Gauthier plus had Michkov fall into their lap. Now they are on their way to draft high again. Call it incompetence or just them underperforming, flyers simply bottomed out while trying to be a playoff team.

Now obviously their coaching choices haven't exactly helped young players to take their game to another level.

Their pro scouting led them to acquire a pretty sub par talent either in free agency or trades. Then they double down and extend those players at more expensive price tag.

When it comes to salary structure flyers don't have a single team friendly long term contract like with Simmer or Couts 6 year deals that will benefit the team going forward.

When drafting they also tend to leave better talent on the board while selecting guys who will better fit their questionable vision or perhaps even lack of vision.

During this rebuild, retool and change of culture flyers have proved they can not be considered above average in any single aspect of building a successful team and them tanking or not has no bearing on that whatsoever.

That's why there's no reason to pretend this team can become contender or be invested in their hopes of making it past the first round.

 

[Larry44]

If the team would come out and say that they're doing to true rebuild, then i could live with it. The problem is that they're not and most likely are going to retain players like Laughton and Ristolainen. They're going to be aggressive with the cap space that they have and most of us know what that means. Another incoming disaster and a repeat of the past.

I concur. They aren't tanking and they aren't rebuilding. They are going nowhere.

 

[mr figgles]

Let's use some common sense. There are 32 teams in the league. 6 top 6 forwards on every team. 32 X 6 is 192. Farabee is a two time 20 goal scorer and would've had a 3rd 20 goal season if not for injury. Last season, there were 135 forwards in the league who scored 20 or more goals. That averages out to 4.2 20 goal forwards per team. There were 119 forwards who scored 50 or more points. 3.7 forwards per team. There were 104 forwards in the league who scored 20 or more goals and 50 or more points. 3.25 per team.

They certainly weren't stars but both were and are good players. Lets not pretend that they weren't

That's with the handicap of playing for torts and rocky

 

[Flyerfan4life]

So you are saying the Flyers scouting and drafting failed for those two picks?

Zing...

 

[Curufinwe]

Which stats show this? Frost's career high is 46 points and Farabee's 50. This season Frost is 190th for points and Farabee is 278th. Over the past three years combined they're 163rd and 171st respectively. If you go by P/GP over that period it's even worse - 215th and 259th. They're objectively average players who haven't developed into what we hoped they'd be. Whether that's through bad management or not is up for debate, but that's another talking point. The fact remains we can pick up Farabees and Frosts any day of the week.

When and where exactly are the Flyers going to pick up two forwards who can score 100+ points in 200 games under Torts and Rocky's 32nd ranked PP? How much will they be paid and how long will their contracts be? Logically, you should be agitating for the Flyers for move Brink, Cates, Laughton, Poehling, Hathaway and Foerster who all produced less than Frost and Farabee under the current regime.

Over the entire Torts era, Farabee and Frost were 3rd and 4th in 5on5 scoring. If they weren't good, then neither is Tippett, and he has seven years left at $6,200,000.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[1865]

When and where exactly are the Flyers going to pick up two forwards who can score 100+ points in 200 games under Torts and Rocky's 32nd ranked PP? How much will they be paid and how long will their contracts be? Logically, you should be agitating for the Flyers for move Brink, Cates, Laughton, Poehling, Hathaway and Foerster who all produced less than Frost and Farabee under the current regime.

Over the entire Torts era, Farabee and Frost were 3rd and 4th in 5on5 scoring. If they weren't good, then neither is Tippett, and he has seven years left at $6,200,000.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Where do you see me advocating to keep any of those players? Brink and Foerster are young enough to potentially develop further but the others are all worthless everymen. Get rid of them all, it's a trash roster.

 

[1865]

Let's use some common sense. There are 32 teams in the league. 6 top 6 forwards on every team. 32 X 6 is 192. Farabee is a two time 20 goal scorer and would've had a 3rd 20 goal season if not for injury. Last season, there were 135 forwards in the league who scored 20 or more goals. That averages out to 4.2 20 goal forwards per team. There were 119 forwards who scored 50 or more points. 3.7 forwards per team. There were 104 forwards in the league who scored 20 or more goals and 50 or more points. 3.25 per team.

They certainly weren't stars but both were and are good players. Lets not pretend that they weren't

I'm not saying they're not NHLers. They're good third liners/lower end second liners. They're the very definition of average. I just don't get the outpouring of grief over losing two eminently replaceable players.

I don't know what your expectations are for mid to late 1st rd picks but if you get average to above average players the team made good picks. By comparison Laughton, also a late 1st pick, is even worse as an offensive player then both farabee and frost, and his defense is equally atrocious. Yet he's lauded because intangibles even though he is a worse player.

As I said before if the Flyers had built their team the right way Frost and Farabee would be nice complimentary players. They are good players and labeling them as bad is bias against them.

I didn't say it was bad drafting, i said my bet is it's bad development. I also didn't say they're bad, i said average.

A reasonable scenario is that Frost and Farabee are both perfectly cromulent players relative to their draft position. They're not stars, they're not duds.

Farabee has performed better than several players drafted ahead of him, and better than any player drafted below him in the 1st round.

The same is true of Frost. He's performed better than several players drafted ahead of him, and better than any player drafted below him in the 1st round.

They have both performed better than their draft position relative to their peers in their respective draft years.

The Flyers either expected more from them, which is potentially unreasonable, or they soured on them as "fits". I would say it's both.

And by "they soured on them," I think we all know it's more likely "Torts soured on them."

A love from me just for the use of cromulent.

 

[trostol]

I'm not saying they're not NHLers. They're good third liners/lower end second liners. They're the very definition of average. I just don't get the outpouring of grief over losing two eminently replaceable players.



I didn't say it was bad drafting, i said my bet is it's bad development. I also didn't say they're bad, i said average.



A love from me just for the use of cromulent.

in essence though..its like you are holding it against them..yes they can be replaced..just like Laughton, Cates and others can..in the end it is bad asset management to toss away players like they do because the Flyers can't make them fit into their round hole(phrasing)

 

[CerpinTaxt]

We sucked with them, we suck without them. Let's not pretend that Farabee and Frost are good players just to fit our arguments against management and ownership though.

I'm not saying they're not NHLers. They're good third liners/lower end second liners. They're the very definition of average. I just don't get the outpouring of grief over losing two eminently replaceable players.

I didn't say it was bad drafting, i said my bet is it's bad development. I also didn't say they're bad, i said average.

By saying "let's not pretend they are good players" you're saying they are bad. Average is not bad. In a league where 384 forwards play games (plus the 50 or 60 forwards who are scratched as non regulars) being a better scorer than 192 of those players is a good hockey player. Also low end 2nd line/good 3rd line is a good hockey player. Again I don't know what you expected from mid to late 1st rd picks but they all aren't Konecny. The main reason people are upset is not cause they traded Frost and Farabee but rather they were traded for below their combined value. If it's so easy to replace them how do you think the Flyers will do so? Perhaps FA but I think you'll be disappointed for what they sign players who score between 40-50 pts. Hell they signed Laughton to 3mil a year and he clipped 30 pts a season only once by that point

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[trostol]