Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[ponder719]

Don't worry guys, Briere got a shit return but at least he shook things up!

Like a can of Coke on a roller coaster.

 

[Cody Webster]

I think this was mostly about Briere finishing his evaluation of the team.
He's decided who are the core players, and the rest are on the market.

And it also suggests they know the rebuild is going to take 3 or more years, so anyone not penciled in for 2027-28 is available.

Trading Frost and Farabee now is raising the white flag for this season, pretty close to ensuring they pick in the top ten and have two picks in the 30s. 5 picks in the top 40 is a pretty good start for the rebuild.

How long is this rebuild supposed to be? Didn't it start when they traded Provorov?

Also, is it good to have players who passed through waivers earlier in the season as part of the rebuild?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I very rarely post anything because this place is a cesspit of negativity. But holy shit, I’ve been converted. I’m not even mad at the trade return. Frost and Farbabee are fine but we coached all the talent out of them anyway. They weren't getting anything of real value back. We see them day to day. I’m mad at the fact that we have ZERO talent on this team and at most 3-5 guys with real trade value. But instead of hiring a coach that can improve each players individual offensive play, we hire a coach that wants to minimize creativity and play a checking style that sucks the personality out of every single player. We squeak out just enough wins to not get the exceptional talent, but play such a boring hockey to get them. I’d rather watch the TGL on a random weekday night. No player has improved their individual offensive skill since TORTS has been here. we would be much better served, over the last couple of years, to have a coach that played an offensive style, and tried to get these players better individually. At least in that case, we would be entertaining to watch, lose more, and each player would have better value when it came to trades. We have the exact inverse of that. We are literally living through hell.

welcome aboard... cookies n coffee are at the back wall..

Sounds like the type of player people here will make fun of and find a silly nickname for.

Meatpig v2.0..

#done

 

[ponder719]

How long is this rebuild supposed to be? Didn't it start when they traded Provorov?

Also, is it good to have players who passed through waivers earlier in the season as part of the rebuild?

That's our secret, captain: it never started.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Regarding this organization

 

[mr figgles]

How long is this rebuild supposed to be? Didn't it start when they traded Provorov?

Also, is it good to have players who passed through waivers earlier in the season as part of the rebuild?

Well, Briere only just finished his evaluation of this dumpster fire yesterday morning apparently, so your guess is as good as anyone’s.

 

[phillyjawn]

Should the Philadelphia Flyers kill 5 of their players to trigger a disaster draft to improve their roster? (a discussion)​

The NHL disaster draft is a contingency plan to be used when 5 or more players on a team have died or have been dismembered. In the draft, the team whose players died will be able to draft the amount of players from other teams equivalent to how many they had lost. Other teams though are only allowed to protect 5 players from being drafted, but many teams have good sixth men that are available. With the Flyers having bad contracts on underperforming players such as Sean Couturier, but they could also just kill backups or practice squad players to fill out those 5 kills to get the disaster draft. Also, according to Gary Bettman, the team would also get the first pick in next year's draft. Now this next draft class isn't crazy so I could understand their hesitancy, and being a repeat offender, that is, killing 5 players on your team could raise some eyebrows, but this could still greatly improve the Flyers! What do you guys think, and should any other teams do this and who should they kill?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I think it's wild that they just traded G three years ago and there's already only five guys (if I counted correctly) left on the roster who played with him here.

 

[pit]

How do you glue glue to glue? Because with all of our glue guys we've got nothing to hold together.

 

[deadhead]

Thats what annoyed me so much I keep spamming this thread - its nothing new. Again, continually minimizing value, alienating the player, moving him at lowest value point. Minimize return, celebrate locker room. Nothing new. Nothing.

There is no injury since June 2022.

However, it may well be that the surgery didn't leave him 100%, and he's either unable or scared to push it physically, because he lacks strength. And his play this season suggests he might be getting weaker as he ages. If that's the case, we may be looking at another Lindblom situation where a promising player never recovers completely and their career is truncated.

I thought that Farabee would bounce back in 2023-24, and to some extent he did, but he's regressed this season. Which doesn't make him useless, but more of a 3LW who needs to be sheltered as he plays smaller than his size. He's become a "tweener," too slow to be a player who can force play, too weak to be a player who wins board battles and sets up plays off the forecheck.

 

[flyersnorth]

Calling my shot now, we try for, and strike out on, Marner, Rantanen, Ehlers, and Bennett, and end up adding Granlund, Dvorak, and Pionk to an extended Kuzmenko.

Say they manage to sign Marner or Rantanen, and trade for EP.

Let's say York is part of the trade, and Tippett.

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Michkov
TK-Coots-Marner
Foerster-Cates-Brink
Pelletier-Laughton-Poehling
Hathaway

Drysdale-Sanheim
Andrae-Risto
Seeler-Bonk

If they signed G for a one year, come-and-retire-in-Philly contract and moved either Laughton or Poehling? I'd watch that lineup.

Now none of this is likely to happen but it's a snowy Friday, so what evs.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I think it's wild that they just traded G three years ago and there's already only five guys (if I counted correctly) left on the roster who played with him here.

Even wilder when you realize they still haven’t made their selection with the first round pick.

 

[phillyjawn]

I think it's wild that they just traded G three years ago and there's already only five guys (if I counted correctly) left on the roster who played with him here.

the question is whether or not that's for the best.

 

[Lord Defect]

There is no injury since June 2022.

However, it may well be that the surgery didn't leave him 100%, and he's either unable or scared to push it physically, because he lacks strength. And his play this season suggests he might be getting weaker as he ages. If that's the case, we may be looking at another Lindblom situation where a promising player never recovers completely and their career is truncated.

I thought that Farabee would bounce back in 2023-24, and to some extent he did, but he's regressed this season. Which doesn't make him useless, but more of a 3LW who needs to be sheltered as he plays smaller than his size. He's become a "tweener," too slow to be a player who can force play, too weak to be a player who wins board battles and sets up plays off the forecheck.

Yet he was 3rd or 4th in scoring according to the stats what’s his name posted however many pages back. Raise your hand you know who you are.

 

[pit]

Should the Philadelphia Flyers kill 5 of their players to trigger a disaster draft to improve their roster? (a discussion)​

The NHL disaster draft is a contingency plan to be used when 5 or more players on a team have died or have been dismembered. In the draft, the team whose players died will be able to draft the amount of players from other teams equivalent to how many they had lost. Other teams though are only allowed to protect 5 players from being drafted, but many teams have good sixth men that are available. With the Flyers having bad contracts on underperforming players such as Sean Couturier, but they could also just kill backups or practice squad players to fill out those 5 kills to get the disaster draft. Also, according to Gary Bettman, the team would also get the first pick in next year's draft. Now this next draft class isn't crazy so I could understand their hesitancy, and being a repeat offender, that is, killing 5 players on your team could raise some eyebrows, but this could still greatly improve the Flyers! What do you guys think, and should any other teams do this and who should they kill?

Look, we don't have to kill five players to fix this team. That's barbaric.


Just dismember five of them.

 

[Tripod]

Friedman on SN

Kuz was likely going on waivers if he hadn't hit his recent hot streak.

FYI...hot streak is last 5 games.

So on Jan 17th he was likely going on waivers.....lol

 

[Rodu58]

I'm done with hockey. Going to take up meth

 

[Cody Webster]

I'm just glad I never unbuckled

 

[Striiker]

Walker. Beyond that I cannot remember.

Difference is they liked him and wanted to keep him.

They don’t have the emotional intelligence to keep their mouths shut about the players they dont like, for the good of the team.

 

[Tripod]

Calling my shot now, we try for, and strike out on, Marner, Rantanen, Ehlers, and Bennett, and end up adding Granlund, Dvorak, and Pionk to an extended Kuzmenko.

Jake Evans will be target #1

 

[Flybynite]

Should the Philadelphia Flyers kill 5 of their players to trigger a disaster draft to improve their roster? (a discussion)​

The NHL disaster draft is a contingency plan to be used when 5 or more players on a team have died or have been dismembered. In the draft, the team whose players died will be able to draft the amount of players from other teams equivalent to how many they had lost. Other teams though are only allowed to protect 5 players from being drafted, but many teams have good sixth men that are available. With the Flyers having bad contracts on underperforming players such as Sean Couturier, but they could also just kill backups or practice squad players to fill out those 5 kills to get the disaster draft. Also, according to Gary Bettman, the team would also get the first pick in next year's draft. Now this next draft class isn't crazy so I could understand their hesitancy, and being a repeat offender, that is, killing 5 players on your team could raise some eyebrows, but this could still greatly improve the Flyers! What do you guys think, and should any other teams do this and who should they kill?

This is outside the box thinking. Although I think this is the box

 

[Cody Webster]

Friedman on SN

Kuz was likely going on waivers if he hadn't hit his recent hot streak.

FYI...hot streak is last 5 games.

So on Jan 17th he was likely going on waivers.....lol

So one guy we got already cleared through waivers earlier this year and the second guy we got was oh so close to being placed on waivers...hey Deady....is this good?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

People still don't understand the value of free cap space, it's sad. Phily gets $6.3M for this postseason plus 2nd, 7th and Pelletier for Farabee and Frost. I assure you, it's not that bad at all.

Sorry, not a Flyers fan but I have to bite into this one. If it helps for the locals, my parents are Flyers fans and I have a positive opinion of the Phillies (my favorite baseball team, though I'm only a very casual fan) and the Eagles (I have never wanted a team other than my own to win a SB more than I want the Eagles to win this year) so there's no trolling here.

Now then...

1) Cap space is only valuable if it is competently used and if you are confident that the Flyers organization will spend that money wisely you are completely delusional. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING, that has transpired within the Flyers organization over the past 5+ years should give anyone any confidence that they know their asses from holes in the ground. The proof is in the pudding and the Flyers shit in their pudding. Period.

2) In terms of trade value, this is so horrifyingly bad that I can hardly believe it's real. You are objectively wrong here. They traded two functional middle-six players (that still have some potential left) in their mid 20's for an expiring cap dump who is having an awful season and was propped up earlier by statistically improbable shooting percentages, a 2nd in a bad draft, a small guy that passed through f***ing waivers earlier this year and a 7th round pick around the time when the f***ing Sun engulfs the Earth. They dumped off two serviceable players 25 years of age or younger and all they got back was dryer lint. This is unspeakably, shockingly bad. If you can't see it that's your problem.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Should the Philadelphia Flyers kill 5 of their players to trigger a disaster draft to improve their roster? (a discussion)​

The NHL disaster draft is a contingency plan to be used when 5 or more players on a team have died or have been dismembered. In the draft, the team whose players died will be able to draft the amount of players from other teams equivalent to how many they had lost. Other teams though are only allowed to protect 5 players from being drafted, but many teams have good sixth men that are available. With the Flyers having bad contracts on underperforming players such as Sean Couturier, but they could also just kill backups or practice squad players to fill out those 5 kills to get the disaster draft. Also, according to Gary Bettman, the team would also get the first pick in next year's draft. Now this next draft class isn't crazy so I could understand their hesitancy, and being a repeat offender, that is, killing 5 players on your team could raise some eyebrows, but this could still greatly improve the Flyers! What do you guys think, and should any other teams do this and who should they kill?

When’s the deadline to submit a list?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Tortorella is definitely gonna cuck the front office again with Kuzmenko.