Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[Hollywood Cannon]

Maybe they had to clear cap for Johansen to come back and be the 1C that was promised.

 

[deadhead]

Reading the thread from start to finish, my favorite parts were DH saying the speculated return was bad so there obviously is a bunch of high picks or prospects coming.

Then when that DID NOT materialize have to go into full defense mode and ignore the takes he made minutes to an hour earlier and now have to try to find ways to spin the BAD RETURN into a positive like "Well, it's going to be about freeing up money."

Ok... but that money was freed up when you said the trade return WAS BAD. That doesn't change that assessment.

I've said the return was bad all along. I wanted a 1st/top prospect.
It probably required sweetening the deal like the Walker trade, except Calgary didn't need cap space.

But I don't think the team is going to miss Frost/Farabee, it's not like they made much of a difference the last three years. They can be bad without them as easily as with them.

 

[Curufinwe]

I mean Michkov having someone with some actual skill and finishing abilities is gonna be fun to see. Hopefully kuzmenko can help out our power play too

Will he on the PP or does Richard have that spot?

 

[Flybynite]

At this point I would agree to having no NBA or NHL team in this city for an entire decade if every single front office person, coach/assistant, medical staff, and owner/part owner was banned from this city and two new expansion teams came here for 2035.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

When 66 points in 120 games and 69 points in 132 games are your 3rd and 4th highest point getters, it screams something isn't right with the team...

Right, but you still don’t trade them for two guys who have had a hot ten days.

 

[Beef Invictus]

With Farabee and Frost in the lineup, they scored (check my notes) 0 goals the last two games.
How can they be worse with them gone?

Watching Farabee, I don't think there's much upside left, don't know if it was the neck injury, but two years later he's a 3LW who does nothing wrong but little that stands out. This is not Sharp who was buried and never got a chance, this is a guy who started for six years.

Same with Frost, who started for four years. What you see is probably what you get.

They'll be a nice 3rd line for a team fighting to get into the playoffs.

But it's obvious Briere is selling, and they are not top 6 forwards in a rebuild.

Just wish the return was better.

Two games??

It's happened. The Flyers broke you. Shouldn't we be waiting 289 games at minimum?

 

[Curufinwe]

Friedman emphasized that Frost and Farabee never complained about how they were treated.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Friedman emphasized that Frost and Farabee never complained about how they were treated.

So that tells me Torts was being the baby.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Friedman emphasized that Frost and Farabee never complained about how they were treated.

Well there it is. That means they loved Torts.

 

[Danko]

They're not going to resign Kuzmenko. He's here only as a sop to Michkov.

He waived his NTC probably b/c he's been a healthy scratch lately, is entering a contract year and hopes to get more PT in Philly than he was going to get in Calgary.

The articles say the flyers had to convince him to waive it.

 

[Young Sandwich]

What a shrewd move by Briere to get that 2028 7th tossed into the deal. You know Montreal is licking their chops for that pick, what with their own 2029 7th already burning a hole in their pocket.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The thing I don’t get about this board is that people here have been clamoring for a tank job and when the Flyers make what looks to be a horrible trade, they don’t see the silver lining that maybe this is the goal. Maybe Briere has come to the understanding that the team needs to finish bottom 5 -7 to get a top center in the draft either through lottery luck, packaging picks to move into the top 5.
The move also clears cap space for the off season and beyond. I believe both JP and AK contracts run out this year.
Trying to look at this positively, this could be a cap dump and tank in one move.
I’m looking for the best. My wife says I am a pessimist, a glass half empty guy. I say I am a pragmatist. I wonder if she still would think of me as a pessimist after reading this board LOL.
Let’s all hope that they are tanking and clearing space for something wonderful to come.

It's not the goal. That's the problem. They think they're going to be contenders in a year and a half per their own words and they think they're setting that up somehow. Deliberately selling and rebuilding is vastly better than accidentally tanking, which is a disaster, and what they're doing now; these aren't even logical tanking moves for a rebuild given the ages involved, they make no sense in that regard. The management that accidentally tanks is the management that can never get out of that hole, and we've also seen that management never actually changed here.

 

[Rebels57]

The Sean Walker trade is aging really well. The trades are more washes with longer term positives. He cleared a lot of cap ahead of a pretty good and young UFA class along with having 7 picks in the first 2 rounds this year.

I'll grant you the Walker trade. I have no problem with that return, especially when you look at the other returns at the deadline that year. I think he was one of only two players moved to return a 1st.

 

[phillyjawn]

Will he on the PP or does Richard have that spot?

I hope it'd be kuzy, but rocky will do what rocky will do

 

[kudymen]

Friedman emphasized that Frost and Farabee never complained about how they were treated.

I know a guy from corporate who would translate this as "Well then they had trouble communicating and being honest - danger of toxicity in the workplace!"
Flyers authentics are seconds away from that as well.

 

[Philly Fanatik]

Flyers needed Calgary’s 1st in this years draft for this trade to even be a win win for both teams!
The direction of this team is so f***ed up…

 

[kudymen]

What a shrewd move by Briere to get that 2028 7th tossed into the deal. You know Montreal is licking their chops for that pick, what with their own 2029 7th already burning a hole in their pocket.

*Briere thinking what would be the epitome of new era of something*

 

[freakydallas13]

I've said the return was bad all along. I wanted a 1st/top prospect.
It probably required sweetening the deal like the Walker trade, except Calgary didn't need cap space.

But I don't think the team is going to miss Frost/Farabee, it's not like they made much of a difference the last three years. They can be bad without them as easily as with them.

Your exact words when we found out the return were "Briere isn't that stupid, I think."

What changed? Unless you took a break to eat some lead paint chips, I don't see how you can weasel out of thinking Briere is stupid.

 

[Flybynite]

What a shrewd move by Briere to get that 2028 7th tossed into the deal. You know Montreal is licking their chops for that pick, what with their own 2029 7th already burning a hole in their pocket.

Reading through the thread was fun because someone posted a hypothetical trade negotiation and it was Briere asking for like a "3rd" and being told no. Then a "4th" and being told no and eventually settling on a 2028 7th.

I think that's a bit unrealistic. I think more realistic is the trade is being finalized and Briere probably goes "Look. I need more in this trade. You gotta give me a future 7th round pick."

Calgary says hold on a minute. Hits mute... laughs for 30 secs and comes back with "I don't know, that's a little steep. Maybe if we push it 3 years down the line to 2028."

Danny-boy says hold on a sec. Hits mute. "HAHA GUYS. I DID IT! THEY CAVED ON THE 7th!"

 

[Beef Invictus]

FYI, the Canadian media take...

Flames GM Craig Conroy hits home run on trade with Flyers: 'I'm excited'

And wouldn't be complete without Frank calling it a 'master class' by Conroy.

We've become the Washington Wizards of the NHL. The farm team for the rest of the league.

 

[mr figgles]

Flyers needed Calgary’s 1st in this years draft for this trade to even be a win win for both teams!
The direction of this team is so f***ed up…

They have a direction?

 

[freakydallas13]

The consensus is it was a bad deal for the Flyers and a mediocre deal for Calgary.
That is, no one is impressed with Frost or Farabee, but the return was underwhelming.

Try again. The consensus is it was a bad deal for the Flyers and a great deal for the Flames.

 

[kudymen]

Your exact words when we found out the return were "Briere isn't that stupid, I think."

At least now I know what it means everytime he says "I think" when discussing what he thinks is going on in the locker room etc.

 

[Flybynite]

We've become the Washington Wizards of the NHL. The farm team for the rest of the league.

Makes sense. Wizards handed out the only no-trade clause currently active in the NBA (actually LeBron now has one). Flyers love the NMC.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Said I don't like the return, I'd want a 1st and a top prospect (Honzek or Henry B).

But don't care that Frost and Farabee are gone, watching the games all season, it's obvious they're a bad fit to what they're trying to build. I think Farabee has never fully recovered from his neck injury and simply lacks strength, and Frost has always been a soft player, competent, but lacks "true grit." He's been sheltered for a while.

People complain about veterans blocking players, well, Frost and Farabee were veterans with no future with this team. So you should be happy.

Just a day ago you'd have pointed to them as the team's 25 and under youth, not as veterans, and said that them playing is proof veterans are blocking.

I truly have no idea what you're doing here trying to lash out at the players to distract from the team's failure.