Confirmed with Link: Morgan Frost and Joel Farabee traded to Calgary for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

We also know the motivation here. Torts obviously has a hand in who is banished - but the cock gobblers have already told us the reasoning.

They wanted to get out from Farabee’s cap hit, and weren’t going to extend Frost anyway.

The cap hit is the critical part in this trade for the Flyers. Hold on to your boot straps when it comes to FA. Look at the names out there. Jesus Christ.
 
Not really. I mean Farabee isn't as good as Laughton at LW right now.
Frost was a 3C playing in the top 6. They weren't going to pay real money to keep him around.

They should have got a better return, but neither player was in their future plans.

Kuzmenko - Couts - Michkov
Foerster - Cates - Brink
Tippett - Laughton - TK
Pelletier/Abols - Poehling - Hathaway

Now the real question is what's next.

Making this trade now signals Briere has written off this season, and is open for business, so I won't be surprised if Laughton and Risto are traded, maybe Hathaway, Poehling, and Seeler might waive his NTC to go to the playoffs.
Sounds like tanking to me. They’re just doing it too late.
 
We also know the motivation here. Torts obviously has a hand in who is banished - but the cock gobblers have already told us the reasoning.

They wanted to get out from Farabee’s cap hit, and weren’t going to extend Frost anyway.

The cap hit is the critical part in this trade for the Flyers. Hold on to your boot straps when it comes to FA. Look at the names out there. Jesus Christ.
Cates was going to get extended. Frost never was.

Its the Farabee part that is interesting. If he turns back into a 50 point play in calgary, it shows you how hideous a coach Torts is and how hideous the player development is. Maybe Bee will never be the same post neck.

We shall see.......
 
Not really. I mean Farabee isn't as good as Laughton at LW right now.
Frost was a 3C playing in the top 6. They weren't going to pay real money to keep him around.

They should have got a better return, but neither player was in their future plans.

Kuzmenko - Couts - Michkov
Foerster - Cates - Brink
Tippett - Laughton - TK
Pelletier/Abols - Poehling - Hathaway

Now the real question is what's next.

Making this trade now signals Briere has written off this season, and is open for business, so I won't be surprised if Laughton and Risto are traded, maybe Hathaway, Poehling, and Seeler might waive his NTC to go to the playoffs.
Is Kuz better than frost? No? So what do we do to go about replacing Kuz? Package draft picks? What happens to the draft? We have less draft picks to gamble with.
Do we trade picks for a player? We have less picks to gamble with. We have less picks to trade up with. We have less picks to trade with.
This is a lose lose trade that we weren’t forced to make. We won’t see the real repercussion of this because you can’t see things that would have happened if we just had… trades and moves can’t fall through if you don’t have the ticket to get into the show in the first place.
 
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I've been complaining about Frost for almost two years, this isn't something the FO made up, I posted a 3rd party that noted the same things - the league knows what he is and isn't. He's a competent 3C, no more, no less. 2nd rd value. I'm sure Briere shopped him and tried to extract more but got no takers.

Kuzmenko isn't in their plans unless they think he can help Michkov. Color me skeptical.

Pelletier is forward depth, he's played well for Calgary and fits what Briere likes in smaller players, but lack of size and speed will limit him to the bottom six, but the top six at LW is set in any case.

If they trade more forwards, there's no forward at LHV other than Lycksell who is NHL ready.
Abols is the only center who can replace Laughton.
Wisdom has been coming on but he'd only be called up to replace Hathaway.
Rizzo is playing better but think he needs more time in the AHL.
 
I've been complaining about Frost for almost two years, this isn't something the FO made up, I posted a 3rd party that noted the same things - the league knows what he is and isn't. He's a competent 3C, no more, no less. 2nd rd value. I'm sure Briere shopped him and tried to extract more but got no takers.

Kuzmenko isn't in their plans unless they think he can help Michkov. Color me skeptical.

Pelletier is forward depth, he's played well for Calgary and fits what Briere likes in smaller players, but lack of size and speed will limit him to the bottom six, but the top six at LW is set in any case.

If they trade more forwards, there's no forward at LHV other than Lycksell who is NHL ready.
Abols is the only center who can replace Laughton.
Wisdom has been coming on but he'd only be called up to replace Hathaway.
Rizzo is playing better but think he needs more time in the AHL.
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Couldn't bring myself to watch last night and after the news broke I had to pour myself a drink and stay away from internets.

We effectively turned Schenn into two cap dumps in Torgo and Kuzmenko plus some grinder no one has heard of before.

Edit: my bad it's the second round pick we got. Pretty much the only thing of value.
 
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They will beg Kuz to come to the Flyers but not see the value in going for Pettersson or Clarke? Holy shit the priorities...
So that reads as if we initiated the trade and we targeted Kuz as the main piece. Holy franken f***

I've been complaining about Frost for almost two years, this isn't something the FO made up, I posted a 3rd party that noted the same things - the league knows what he is and isn't. He's a competent 3C, no more, no less. 2nd rd value. I'm sure Briere shopped him and tried to extract more but got no takers.

Kuzmenko isn't in their plans unless they think he can help Michkov. Color me skeptical.

Pelletier is forward depth, he's played well for Calgary and fits what Briere likes in smaller players, but lack of size and speed will limit him to the bottom six, but the top six at LW is set in any case.

If they trade more forwards, there's no forward at LHV other than Lycksell who is NHL ready.
Abols is the only center who can replace Laughton.
Wisdom has been coming on but he'd only be called up to replace Hathaway.
Rizzo is playing better but think he needs more time in the AHL.
They specifically asked Kuz to waive his trade clause to come to Philly. Certainly sounds like he’s in their plans.
 
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I've been complaining about Frost for almost two years, this isn't something the FO made up, I posted a 3rd party that noted the same things - the league knows what he is and isn't. He's a competent 3C, no more, no less. 2nd rd value. I'm sure Briere shopped him and tried to extract more but got no takers.

Kuzmenko isn't in their plans unless they think he can help Michkov. Color me skeptical.

Pelletier is forward depth, he's played well for Calgary and fits what Briere likes in smaller players, but lack of size and speed will limit him to the bottom six, but the top six at LW is set in any case.

If they trade more forwards, there's no forward at LHV other than Lycksell who is NHL ready.
Abols is the only center who can replace Laughton.
Wisdom has been coming on but he'd only be called up to replace Hathaway.
Rizzo is playing better but think he needs more time in the AHL.

You missed a guy.

And Farabee is worse than Laughton. Please say that one again. It's fun.
 
I've been complaining about Frost for almost two years, this isn't something the FO made up, I posted a 3rd party that noted the same things - the league knows what he is and isn't. He's a competent 3C, no more, no less. 2nd rd value. I'm sure Briere shopped him and tried to extract more but got no takers.

Kuzmenko isn't in their plans unless they think he can help Michkov. Color me skeptical.

Pelletier is forward depth, he's played well for Calgary and fits what Briere likes in smaller players, but lack of size and speed will limit him to the bottom six, but the top six at LW is set in any case.

If they trade more forwards, there's no forward at LHV other than Lycksell who is NHL ready.
Abols is the only center who can replace Laughton.
Wisdom has been coming on but he'd only be called up to replace Hathaway.
Rizzo is playing better but think he needs more time in the AHL.
Then why trade him, as you have opined previously? There was an urgency that surpasses a hockey trade here, especially amid the Sucking Vortex of Centres in which the Flyers currently are. My unfounded speculation is that one or both of Frost and Farabee asked for a trade (although the diligent beats would have been all over this) or, more likely and widely expressed here these past 12 hours, Tortorella demanded that they be sent away. Neither Kuzmenko nor Pelletier move the needle on Flyers needs -- you pointed out what a bad fit Kuzmenko is for Tortorella -- and a mediocre 2nd and parody 2028 7th pick are terrible returns if Briere didn't have to make the deal.

Occam's Razor is at our throats.
 
"ChatGPT, please write a post defending the Flyers management after the latest trade in the style of deadhead. Here are some examples of deadhead's posts..."

The reaction to this trade is predictable. Every time the Flyers make a move, there’s an immediate rush to call it a disaster before even considering the long-term implications. But let’s go through it logically, instead of the usual knee-jerk handwringing.

First, the idea that the Flyers needed to get more here is overblown. What’s the alternative? Holding onto a declining asset with diminishing value? They made a calculated decision based on trajectory, contract structure, and market conditions. Could they have squeezed out a slightly better return? Maybe. But in the real world, teams aren’t offering premium assets for a player with question marks. This isn’t NHL 24 Franchise Mode.

The bigger picture matters. The Flyers aren’t building for this season—they’re setting up for contention in 2027-28. By then, you’re looking at a core of Michkov, Foerster, Brink, and Gauthier up front, Drysdale and York leading the blue line, and Kolosov/Zavragin in net. The goal isn’t to scrape into the playoffs now; it’s to construct a sustainable contender. That means prioritizing flexibility and smart asset allocation. This trade accomplishes both.

As for the player leaving, let’s not pretend he was untouchable. His underlying numbers have been trending in the wrong direction. His 5v5 production over the last four years? Inconsistent. His defensive impacts? Middling at best. And once you factor in his contract, it’s not hard to see why the front office moved on. When you take on a deal of that size, you need assurances about long-term value, and the Flyers clearly weren’t convinced. Neither were the teams who passed on making a bigger offer.

Could they have used a true 1C? Sure. But those guys don’t grow on trees, and the Flyers’ strategy has been clear—they aren’t chasing overpriced UFAs. If a legitimate top-six center under 26 becomes available via trade, that’s where they’ll make their move. Until then, they’re positioning themselves to be aggressive when the right opportunity arises.

Bottom line: This wasn’t about winning the trade today—it’s about making the right moves for three years from now. But as usual, that level of nuance gets lost in the discourse.


Does this sum his posts up? I haven't read them, thankfully.
 
How absolutely pathetic is this deal.... Everyone knows that Farabee and Frost will be good players for Calgary if it didn't happen we'd be stunned.....Lets add to the plethora of high picks in a mediocre draft from a depth perspective...... I think there's some players in the top half of the draft but how did we not get more is insane..... Kuz and Pelltier may perform but their values are literally close to zero (i'd think) the fact like others mentioned that we likely will dump our cap room or picks for someone underwhelming is the icing on the cake... I wouldn't be surprised if he's done this to clear up cap room so he can pick up another late second as part of a blockbuster trade in which we eat cap space lol.....Always been a big fan of Danny and Jonesy as players and ambassadors but i'm really really concerned about their abilities to lead this team...literally every move has been mediocre to pathetic at best.... only good news is stop playing Ersson play Kolosov and Fedotov and we likely will get a top 3 pick lol

Kuzmenko gets 75% Offensive zone starts and 27 Giveaways so far this season with only 8 hits and 9 blocks. Torts hates this player.
Farabee a heart and soul player (loved on the team) for Kuz and Pelltier lol..... Forget that we have zero centers with talent and we trade the only one that remotely fits the bill..... what a joke
 
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Thing is this was not a trade to tank, and if it was they tanked the trade. They don't believe in tanking and they've stated as much plenty of times. The silver lining is that this should cater on ice performance even further and get them into better draft position.
They say they don't believe in a tank, but their efforts to improve the team end up in an unintentional tank situation - which is even worse. It's taking by incompetence instead of intention. #FlyersPerpetualMediocrity strikes again!

Pelletier, aka "Kissy Smurf," is tiny and loves to kiss his teammates helmets. He'll be a cute mascot to counter big, hairy gritty. We'll see if he can stick and if Kuzmenko can help prevent Michkov from going home. Fingers crossed.

They will beg Kuz to come to the Flyers but not see the value in going for Pettersson or Clarke? Holy shit the priorities...
But they somehow "KNOW" Kuz, so they are comfortable begging him to come to Philly. Who cares about players with actual talent, this guy is a drinking buddy of Michkov!
 
I've been complaining about Frost for almost two years, this isn't something the FO made up, I posted a 3rd party that noted the same things - the league knows what he is and isn't. He's a competent 3C, no more, no less. 2nd rd value. I'm sure Briere shopped him and tried to extract more but got no takers.

Kuzmenko isn't in their plans unless they think he can help Michkov. Color me skeptical.

Pelletier is forward depth, he's played well for Calgary and fits what Briere likes in smaller players, but lack of size and speed will limit him to the bottom six, but the top six at LW is set in any case.

If they trade more forwards, there's no forward at LHV other than Lycksell who is NHL ready.
Abols is the only center who can replace Laughton.
Wisdom has been coming on but he'd only be called up to replace Hathaway.
Rizzo is playing better but think he needs more time in the AHL.
what a terrible post...look at the names your referring to Abels, Rizzo really... we have zero zero offensive depth its pathetic

They say they don't believe in a tank, but their efforts to improve the team end up in an unintentional tank situation - which is even worse. It's taking by incompetence instead of intention. #FlyersPerpetualMediocrity strikes again!

Pelletier, aka "Kissy Smurf," is tiny and loves to kiss his teammates helmets. He'll be a cute mascot to counter big, hairy gritty. We'll see if he can stick and if Kuzmenko can help prevent Michkov from going home. Fingers crossed.


But they somehow "KNOW" Kuz, so they are comfortable begging him to come to Philly. Who cares about players with actual talent, this guy is a drinking buddy of Michkov!
bang on assessment......especially the first paragraph..... thats what scares the living shit out of me.....
 
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I was told a few weeks ago when I asked about Abols getting a look and see what he had and rotate out the scrubs at the bottom of the roster (not Frost and Farabee) I got told He's 29 and not worth a look. Now he's penciled in to play every night with a better player being removed from the lineup. JESUS the kool aid drinking is strong in that one.
 

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