More Value - Stutzle or Robertson

[CowbellConray]

@Barsky and I had quite the discussion about this yesterday, and we agreed to put it to the poll.

The question is as follows: Who is the more valuable piece/player?

I think Robertson, Barsky thinks Stutzle.

My view for why it's Robertson: RFA at the end of next year - 25 years old. 2 years older than Stutzle, however over the past three seasons:
More goals
More assists
Better Primary assist/secondary assist ratio
Better PP60
Worse deployment (fewer o-zone starts, less power play time, less es time)
More durable
Much better defensively

To me, that's worth the 10-11ish M he will get (compared to Stutzle who is at 8.35 for the next 5 years). Just under Selke level defense, top end finisher, and incredibly efficient in his minutes outweighs position and the transition play of Stutzle.

I'll let Barsky provide his opinion as well.

 

[Coffee]

Stunner Stutz

 

[Barsky]

To me it's a no brainer in every facet. Timmy is younger, faster, will be WAY cheaper, plays C not wing and drives play while doing it. Love Robertson, big, great shot, but slow af, will be making a fortune on his next deal, is 3 years older and plays wing

 

[Dominance]

I’m a Robertson fan and don’t think the current playoff run is a good representation of his abilities but this is seriously not close at all.

 

[Barsky]

I’m a Robertson fan and don’t think the current playoff run is a good representation of his abilities but this is seriously not close at all.

No def not, he gets a pass this year for sure, nice goal last night though

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Shane Pinto wants the over/under on posts before this thread gets closed for a landslide result.

Stutzle. Not close. Please don't make more polls where I have to advocate for Sens players.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I think its timmy but I don't think its not close

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I think its timmy but I don't think its not close

The issue is the word "value".

As players, there's a marginal difference. Robertson's contract is likely gonna be much higher than $8.35M even if he does give the no-tax discount.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

The issue is the word "value".

As players, there's a marginal difference. Robertson's contract is likely gonna be much higher than $8.35M even if he does give the no-tax discount.

Yes value wise he wins for sure especially in the *moving forward* category

 

[Kegs]

3 ppl voted Robertson!!!! They must not get to see the sens play that often.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Stutzle easily for me. Robertson has shown he’s also a playoff no show for consecutive post seasons now.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not sure if this is just Sens fans needing an ego boost, but it's obviously Stutzle. Younger, more team control, less injured, more center-ish

 

[CowbellConray]

The only thing I will admit to this is that I, along with 2 others, are smarter than 21 people who do not know what they are talking about.

DO YOU HEAR ME @Barsky!

 

[bert]

@Barsky and I had quite the discussion about this yesterday, and we agreed to put it to the poll.

The question is as follows: Who is the more valuable piece/player?

I think Robertson, Barsky thinks Stutzle.

My view for why it's Robertson: RFA at the end of next year - 25 years old. 2 years older than Stutzle, however over the past three seasons:
More goals
More assists
Better Primary assist/secondary assist ratio
Better PP60
Worse deployment (fewer o-zone starts, less power play time, less es time)
More durable
Much better defensively

To me, that's worth the 10-11ish M he will get (compared to Stutzle who is at 8.35 for the next 5 years). Just under Selke level defense, top end finisher, and incredibly efficient in his minutes outweighs position and the transition play of Stutzle.

Better defensively lol you need to watch some hockey.

The only thing I will admit to this is that I, along with 2 others, are smarter than 21 people who do not know what they are talking about.

DO YOU HEAR ME @Barsky!

Yikes.

Not sure if this is just Sens fans needing an ego boost, but it's obviously Stutzle. Younger, more team control, less injured, more center-ish

Play driver, more upside. The list is very very long. Actually watching the games would help too.

 

[Canovin]

I'm surprised it's this lopsided.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Looks like it might get locked soon, looks like Barsky won the debate between the 2 posters. 29-3 atm

 

[hamzarocks]

Robertson is better today and likely for the next year or 2 as a player

Stutzle has the better contract and more upside left so he's the better asset. But stutzle does need to show he is more than a ppg or so play. 2 back to back years with no big offensive steps after his 2023 season

Wyatt Johson vs Stuztle is a better comparison as both are young, Centers L/T, signed for similar amount of term and have a fair bit of upside.

 

[CowbellConray]

Looks like it might get locked soon, looks like Barsky won the debate between the 2 posters. 29-3 atm

It's a shamble. Inside job. Fake news. Sens fans have stuffed the ballot box

 

[WarriorofTime]

I'm surprised it's this lopsided.

Is it? Nothing against Robertson, he obviously can produce, that 109 point season is a great accomplishment in any world, but it definitely looks like a bit of an outlier for an otherwise PPG player. He's not even a Team USA Olympic guy in all likelihood.

 

[CowbellConray]

What's interesting for me is, there aren't really any statistics that would say "here is why Stutzle is the better player". I understand he plays Center, so he will be more important in transition and zone entries. With that said, almost every offensive and defensive metric points towards Robertson being the better player year over year.

Stutzle is younger, plays a more desirable position, and is faster/better in transition. But, statistically, Robertson is superior in everything else. So it's surprising when people say "clearly Stutzle".

 

[Fatass]

Both very good. Robertson imo is at his ceiling. Stutzle still has some runway of development left. Thus more value right now.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I will take the younger, better skating center over the older clunky winger

 

[spiny norman]

Arrived quickly.