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More MVP Worthy Player: Mackinnon, Kuch or Drai?

Hockey Outsider said:
Players with 3+ consecutive 110+ point seasons, NHL history
  • 12x - Wayne Gretzky
  • 6x - Guy Lafleur, Mike Bossy
  • 5x - Phil Esposito
  • 4x - Marcel Dionne
  • 3x - Bobby Orr, Connor McDavid, Jari Kurri, Mario Lemieux, Nathan MacKinnon, Paul Coffey, Peter Stastny
MacKinnon just became only the 12th player in NHL history to record three consecutive 110+ point seasons.
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and Draisaitl just became only the 10th player to have 4 50-goal and 50 assist seasons and is the only active player in the NHL to have done it.
 
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If Kucherov wins, we might have to start having conversations about whether his three year level of play(2023-2025) is comparable to Crosby’s best three year stretch(2007-2009, 2012-2014, or 2014-2016 for full seasons). Kuch would have two Art Rosses and a Hart during his time span, all while competing against a prime McDavid who did however miss games due to injuries.
 
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Hockey Outsider said:
Players with 3+ consecutive 110+ point seasons, NHL history
  • 12x - Wayne Gretzky
  • 6x - Guy Lafleur, Mike Bossy
  • 5x - Phil Esposito
  • 4x - Marcel Dionne
  • 3x - Bobby Orr, Connor McDavid, Jari Kurri, Mario Lemieux, Nathan MacKinnon, Paul Coffey, Peter Stastny
MacKinnon just became only the 12th player in NHL history to record three consecutive 110+ point seasons.
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Players with 3+ consecutive 110+ point seasons, NHL history
  • 12x - Wayne Gretzky
  • 6x - Guy Lafleur, Mike Bossy
  • 5x - Phil Esposito
  • 4x - Marcel Dionne
  • 3x - Bobby Orr, Connor McDavid, Jari Kurri, Mario Lemieux, Nathan MacKinnon, Nikita Kucherov, Paul Coffey, Peter Stastny
Nikita Kucherov just became only the 13th player in NHL history to record three consecutive 110+ point seasons. He got there the next day after MacKinnon achieved this.
 
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SillyRabbit said:
Kucherov winning back-to-back Art Rosses with no additional trophies would be a pretty big indictment on how much the media drives the Hart based on "narrative" vs actual play and results.

Especially if he lost both years to another forward.
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The art Ross isn't the Hart though.

I don't think many people would pick him over drai this year tbh

You also single out the media , but why didn't kuch win the ted lindsay last year? Seems to me mackinnon was just more deserving in a close race. Same could happen again this year with drai.


Kuch will win his AR which is still a big trophy. But scoring champ isn't mvp and it isn't just some media bias, he just isn't as deserving these 2 years.
 
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I would say give it to Hellebuyck but then I saw that the Jets are the third highest scoring team. At least with Price in 2014-15, although the habs won their division and got 2nd in the East, the were dead last in scoring amongst every playoff team.

As for the question, I think it comes down to who means the most for their team's success. Look at Tampa's roster. Kuch is out. Besides McDavid, Draisaitl definitely plays on a worse team. He's over 50 goals. If MacKinnon was destroying him in points like he's did last year vs Matthews, id obviously lean Mac but he's not.

Final answer: Leon Draisaitl
 
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HuGo Burner Acc said:
I would say give it to Hellebuyck but then I saw that the Jets are the third highest scoring team. At least with Price in 2014-15, although the habs won their division and got 2nd in the East, the were dead last in scoring amongst every playoff team.

As for the question, I think it comes down to who means the most for their team's success. Look at Tampa's roster. Kuch is out. Besides McDavid, Draisaitl definitely plays on a worse team. He's over 50 goals. If MacKinnon was destroying him in points like he's did last year vs Matthews, id obviously lean Matthews but he's not.

Final answer: Leon Draisaitl
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People act like its a gimme Helle wins the Vezina but Vasilevskiys number are almost as good.
 
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The entire Oilers team have all had terrible seasons thus far even McDavid. Draisaitl has been putting the team on his back and if not for him, they don't make the playoffs. He deserves it IMO.
 
SillyRabbit said:
Kucherov winning back-to-back Art Rosses with no additional trophies would be a pretty big indictment on how much the media drives the Hart based on "narrative" vs actual play and results.

Especially if he lost both years to another forward.
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Last year, I believe Kucherov had the largest lead in points over #2 and #3 on his team since Taylor Hall 2018, who solely won the Hart because of how far ahead he was of his teammates. Except unlike Hall, Kucherov was actually first in league in points and tied first in assists, yet that still somehow wasn’t enough. I guarantee you if the voters didn’t know the names, nationality and were just given the stats and team record of those two players, they’d pick Kuch’s season without even knowing.
 
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If Mac gets Hart this year, I’ll be totally disappointed with the trophy voters.

No way he deserves it this year more than Helle, Drai and Kuch. No way.

If it happens, I’m starting to exclude Hart as a significant trophy to evaluate someone’s season performance. As it is too bias.
 
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GhostfaceWu said:
People act like its a gimme Helle wins the Vezina but Vasilevskiys number are almost as good.
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That’s true, but narrative matters and Hellebuyck has led the entire year and has a chance to set the single season wins mark, so there’s little chance he doesn’t pretty much sweep all the first place votes. Vasilevskiy has been a quiet steady improvement pretty much the entire year, but is probably rightfully overshadowed this time.
 
It's sad that people blindly go right towards bias to boost their player. There really should be a rule against it on HF.

If you cannot make a case why a player is deserving of an award other than their nationality, don't bother posting.
 
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People act like its a gimme Helle wins the Vezina but Vasilevskiys number are almost as good.
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Holy moly Vasilevskiy has entered the chat. How much more support does Hellebuyck get?

Yeah there’s no shot Helle has a chance at this now, he’s barely separating himself from Vasilevskiy.
 
SillyRabbit said:
Kucherov winning back-to-back Art Rosses with no additional trophies would be a pretty big indictment on how much the media drives the Hart based on "narrative" vs actual play and results.

Especially if he lost both years to another forward.
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He has also lead the playoffs in scoring twice without winning the Conn Smythe. Might end up a bit like Jagr with all the scoring titles and so few MVPs.
 
daver said:
It's sad that people blindly go right towards bias to boost their player. There really should be a rule against it on HF.

If you cannot make a case why a player is deserving of an award other than their nationality, don't bother posting.
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hell yeah, ban people with bias on HF.

the hart is basically the "most likes on HF" award, and i will respect it about as equally
 
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RussianGuyovich said:
hell yeah, ban people with bias on HF.

the hart is basically the "most likes on HF" award, and i will respect it about as equally
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And the ted lindsay too?

So what is your criteria? Most pts? I mean you obviously think the media and players both get it wrong. Should you just award the mvp yourself?

Who should decide mvp? If not the media nor the players
 
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