Management Montgomery fired - Sacco named interim coach Sacco - Blues hire Monty

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....and how'd those first 2 moves work out for the Bruins?
Moving on from CJ worked out pretty well since they got deeper and deeper in the playoffs untill their SCF appearance and G7 loss against STL.

Moving on from Bruce, I understood why it happened, but it wasn't a must make move. Monty then had an historic first regular season.
 

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Yeah, all the roster complaints and prospect pool complaints feels so hypocritical to me.

I don't remember people saying they should save all those draft picks when the Bruins were going for it year in, year out for 10 years of contention. I don't remember people saying this roster was trash before the season. Now that they've struggled, everybody is saying they knew all along they were going to be terrible? :skeptic:
I stated several times we knew this team would have desperate issues scoring.

Also assumed the defense, goaltending, and presumed toughness improvement would offset this glaring lack of talent.

Who could have predicted this team would be just as soft? Awful defensively? Terrible Swayman?
 

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So now we care about regular season winning? Aren't you one of the "only the cup matters" guys when talking about Sweeney?

I think you are misconstruing my intent here.
I have no problem with montgomery being fired. At all.

I just want the same standard for our GM that we are setting for our coaches.

For some reason our GM is fine to keep his job as long as we make the playoffs. Average GM tenure is 4.5 years in the NHL. Sweeney is now more than double that with only 1 season of multiple playoff series wins in his 9 seasons.

Yet a head coach must make a deep playoff run in his first two years or else he’s fired.
 

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We have four players that we can trade quite easily, either now, or at the trade deadline.
Personally, I would trade at least 2 at the deadline as teams over pay that need that addition to get them closer to the cup. I did not include Freddy in the list as I would want to keep him and extend him. Lohrei is our only decent young player with more potential that we need to keep.
Potsy has regressed since last year and is showing very little in the AHL, where he should be a PPG player. Hope he can improve his game and get back to the team soon.

Coyle - 8 team no trade - 5.25 M for one more year
Zacha - 10 team no trade - 4.75M for 2 years
Carlo - 10 team no trade - 4.1M for 2 years
Geekie- RFA

Coyle and Zacha will get you a first rounder for each at the deadline. Personally I would rather take A prospects as we are inept when it comes to drafting and a draft pick is going to take at least 3 years of development to make the team. "A" prospects should be 1-2 years away from making the team.
Carlo - I would trade him for a smaller, more skilled defenceman that can move the puck. Severson and Jack Thompson are two I would target.
Geekie - he should get us a mid round pick, or B prospect.
 
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I'm with you on this one. I read somewhere that certain players complained to the GM about Butch and then he was gone. I guess I'm bitter about that firing and was never a Monty fan. If this was another "don't like the coach" moment for the players, then I expect a major turnaround. We'll see.

We have four players that we can trade quite easily, either now, or at the trade deadline.
Personally, I would trade at least 2 at the deadline as teams over pay that need that addition to get them closer to the cup. I did not include Freddy in the list as I would want to keep him and extend him. Lohrei is our only decent young player with more potential that we need to keep.
Potsy has regressed since last year and is showing very little in the AHL, where he should be a PPG player. Hope he can improve his game and get back to the team soon.

Coyle - 8 team no trade - 5.25 M for one more year
Zacha - 10 team no trade - 4.75M for 2 years
Carlo - 10 team no trade - 4.1M for 2 years
Geekie- RFA

Coyle and Zacha will get you a first rounder for each at the deadline. Personally I would rather take A prospects as we are inept when it comes to drafting and a draft pick is going to take at least 3 years of development to make the team. "A" prospects should be 1-2 years away from making the team.
Carlo - I would trade him for a smaller, more skilled defenceman that can move the puck. Severson and Jack Thompson are two I would target.
Geekie - he should get us a mid round pick, or B prospect.
There's no way Coyle or Zacha fetch a 1st round pick.
 

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Yes, indeed, something had to give, and on Tuesday that was Jim Montgomery, another Bruins coach kicked down Causeway St., leaving it now to Joe Sacco to cobble together what he can from the misfitting, misfiring parts he’s inherited here a quarter of the way into the season.

No one should be surprised. Montgomery, following two brilliant regular seasons as bench boss, including a record-setting run of 65-12-5 in his first year, clearly couldn’t come up with an answer to shake the club out of an 8-9-3 death march.

Coaches are paid for wins and providing solutions. When out of both, the unemployment bell tolls.

So much of what we have witnessed this season, though, is more about roster composition than how Montgomery failed to deliver, come up with solutions. We can question Montgomery’s cooking, but as they’ve been wont to say for years now in Foxborough, he didn’t buy the groceries.

GM Don Sweeney and team president Cam Neely forked out $84.25M in July for free agents Elias Lindholm and Nikita Zadorov, positioning them as the featured members of a roster sprucing up that could make the Bruins capable of slipping by the Panthers if they should meet for a third consecutive time in the playoffs.

Not . . . even . . . close. It looked like the Panthers, faster and tougher and more driven from the puck drop, were playing in another league last spring. Winter is upon us. That has not changed, the sun rises and sets in Sunrise and not the old West End.

To date, both Lindholm and Zadorov have not returned even pennies on the dollar. They have been painful reminders of unrestricted free agent busts of the past, such as Neely-Sweeney hires Matt Beleskey and David Backes . . . and if we want to go way back, prior to the Sweeney-Neely administration, the risible, worn-out, no-hope likes of Paul Coffey and Alexei Zhamnov.

The Monty magic was gone. He is outta here, not without reason. He certainly looked overmatched at times in the three playoff series (1-2) he oversaw. For the better part of the last two weeks, his team turned into the Stepford Black-and-Gold, a shapeless, unfocused bunch that Monday night, against the bottom-feeding Blue Jackets, again looked flat-out in a trance, dead on double runners.

The low point, the one that tied the toe tag on Montgomery, was the pair of shorthanded goals the Blue Jackets stuffed down their sweaters en route to a humbling 5-1 defeat. It was the third straight loss on home ice (0-1-2), their faithful left booing at the first intermission with the motley CBJ already in control of a comfy 3-0 lead.

Here’s the thing about those boos. They’re heard loud ‘n’ clear 450 miles west in Buffalo, where team owner Jeremy Jacobs knows the perils of not keeping the customer satisfied. The boos can convert overnight to empty seats, a devalued product.

A quick look on line Monday afternoon had Loge 8 tickets for the CBJ game being offered up at $20 a pop–upward of a 90 percent discount from what season ticket holders pay when investing in their full-season package. It’s also about what Jacobs charges for a draft beer at Garden concessions. Painful Jacobsnomics.

The Bruins, the Garden, and surrounding real estate development, including the $65 charge to park at Bruins-Celts game, have become a Jacobs/Delaware North diamond mine through the decades. Bruins hockey has been the gemstone at the center of it all. In the scheme of things, tossing the coach overboard to help preserve that core is a mere bottle cap removed from another pricey tallboy at the concession stands

It’s now on Sacco to find the answer and in a hurry, lest the ex-BU forward, and faithful assistant, is the next to get the heave-ho. At the current pace (pay no attention to the whacky math of the NHL standings), that 8-9-3 will leave the Bruins with 78 points at season’s end. That’s a dog that doesn’t hunt for the Stanley Cup in the spring. It’s one designated for a water bowl and cage across town at Angell Animal Medical Center.

If Sacco is equally stymied to find an answer, which is the challenge Bruce Cassidy met and overcame when he took over the bench from Claude Julien in February 2017, it will point hard truths the way of Neely and Sweeney.

Because if a new coach can’t find an answer, we’ll be left to conclude it’s the parts that are at fault —the parts put in place here in the wake of the departures of Tuukka Rask, Zdeno Chara, Patrice Bergeron, and David Krecji. Those four provided elite skill and talent at the three key positions: goal, defense, and center. They defined Bruins culture.

Now, going on six years since that core and culture led to Game 7 of the Cup Final, the talent level is many degrees south of a bona fide Cup run.

Maybe Jeremy Swayman can be a franchise tender. But he’s not there yet. Thus far this season, he’s been more backup than cornerstone.

Charlie McAvoy, paid and touted as the franchise defenseman, again this season has remained short of the billing. How long is it going to take? McAvoy can skate. He can move the puck. He can hit when the spirit moves him. But, boy, he has trouble figuring out when and where to shoot, and that critical offensive piece is a big part of filling the No. 1 D’man role that’s been defined for him.

If Sacco can get that out of McAvoy, that could get the coffee pot perking. Montgomery never got him there. He also needs to help David Pastrnak restore some lightning in his stick.

In the Bergeron/Krejci spirit of things, looking for at least one pivot to help define the top-six forward assembly, there’s no there there right now.

Many nights it has been hard to tell if Elias Lindholm is in the lineup. Pavel Zacha is not the guy. Charlie Coyle was the league’s best No. 3 center when Bergeron and Krejci were still in house, and he did an OK job moving up last season, but he is best suited as the No. 3 workhorse who can move up in a pinch.

It is a franchise, having lost 12 of 20 games to date, certainly in need of a new approach right now. McAvoy and Pastrnak need reframing. Sacco might have the secret sauce. We’ll find out soon enough.

If not, then we’re left to say Neely and Sweeney, along with Executive Son Charlie Jacobs, equally failed to reshape and fortify what was an excellent, entertaining product across the years 2010-20. It will be left for them to answer for what’s happened since.
 

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I'm with you on this one. I read somewhere that certain players complained to the GM about Butch and then he was gone. I guess I'm bitter about that firing and was never a Monty fan. If this was another "don't like the coach" moment for the players, then I expect a major turnaround. We'll see.
Are the inmates running the asylum? Not a great idea. If the Bruins are looking in a new direction and really want to right the ship start with cleaning out that Sesami Street sky box. It's easy to fire the coach. They keep bringing in coaches and saying this is what the Bruins need to move ahead. If Sacco can't move the needle a shake up in players is needed also. The problem has to lie somewhere.
 

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Yeah, he had an interesting take I haven't heard.

He thinks Monty's style is best suited to a speed and skill team. Sweeney said he was going to add speed, and then instead went heavy. So he thinks Monty just isn't the right fit for this roster construction.

Also points out Monty's suspect playoff record as a reason not to lose sleep over the firing. I hadn't thought of the first part, but I do agree with the second point. I haven't loved Monty's playoffs and even if the Bruins were in 1st place, wouldn't have wanted a Monty extension without him showing more in the playoffs (no more too many men, better matchup choices, special teams adjustments, IMO other coaches made those changes and gained an advantage as series went along.)
Monty will land another HC gig. Keep an eye on the Habs as he's from Montreal and St Louis is skating on thin ice.
 

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I stated several times we knew this team would have desperate issues scoring.

Also assumed the defense, goaltending, and presumed toughness improvement would offset this glaring lack of talent.

Who could have predicted this team would be just as soft? Awful defensively? Terrible Swayman?
Agreed, we have had scoring issues for many years. We were blessed with 2 top 10 goalies for the three previous seasons that covered up our lack of scoring.
 

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I just read this to my wife and she turned and corroborated it to an extent.
Re. Cam "he's an A-hole, I met him twice and both times it was the same attitude."
I met him a couple of times and he was gracious and nice. :dunno:

I have told this story before but here it is again.

Many years ago (when Cam was still playing, and I did not yet have ST) my Dad needed to go in for a knee replacement and was nervous about the surgery. Cam had just had knee surgery and had been on equipment that kept his knee in motion even right after the operation. Dad was to have the same equipment. I called the Bs office and tried to find someone who could have Cam contact Dad to inspire him. My parents loved Cam Neely (as did most Bs fans). The guy I spoke to (forgot his name) said he would try. The day before Dad went to the hospital, he got a handwritten note from Cam saying best of luck and that the PT was important. Dad brought the note with him the morning of the surgery. I still have that note somewhere. It was a little thing for Cam but a big deal for Dad.

A few years later when Dad was gone, I brought Mom to one of the ST barbeques (on the front lot of the Garden). She was 80. All of the players would be there plus former players like Cam (he was not yet president). Mom walked with a cane so I sat her at a table and went looking for water for her. I saw Cam and some TD worker was taking photos of people with him. I tapped him on the shoulder and told him he was Mom's favorite player. He asked where she was, and I said on the other side of the lot. The young lady taking photos told me I would have to bring her to them. I said thanks but she had a cane, and it would be too much. Cam said "Let's go" and followed me to where Mom was sitting. Her back was to us and I said "Mom, there is someone here who wants to say hello". I wish I had a camera but it was before cell phones. Cam got on one knee and took Mom's hand and spoke to her. She later joked that she would never wash that hand again. She played (for over 40 years) the organ at a small church and told everyone that Sunday about her meeting Cam story. It was a little thing to Cam but was a big deal to Mom.

Maybe it is silly, but I will never say any bad things about Cam. I have seen other things also to totally convince me he is no asshole.
 

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I wish Monty well, but he HAD to go. You know when a man has lost the room entirely. On this Bruins team, we were about to witness a circus of epic proportions keeping him. That's the game. He's going to land on another team for SURE. I'm not worried about Monty.

Over to the team, we have a leadership issue. Full stop.

Marchand is an ok captain. He is not Bergeron or Chara. His motor is relentless. But he does not hold the room the way previous captains did.

The leadership group of Pasta/Charlie/Coyle/Carlo doesn't have a Bergeron/Chara lion in it. They are GOOD NHL players (usually). Pasta has the potential to be great on nights he doesn't accept taking zero shots (honestly?). But that list of players so far have just largely proven to fold in big moments. I'm Mr positive on this team and even I can't deny it. The mental and professional aspect of this game, they have not yet risen to. They have all the talent.

The new Bruins look to the core to pace everything. When you're new, you fall in behind the established leaders. And our leaders are NOT pacing this team. Every one of our leaders is pacing for a bust of a season. No surprise, so are our newcomers.

A great coach has to come in, look at what he's got, and figure out how to win. All of us believed this team had to defend in layers. Play the man hard. Fight for every puck. Destroy star players with legal hits. Save and block pucks. These players do not, because the leaders do not.

So we'll see which coach gets these guys to defend their square foot of ice for millions of dollars. That's the game. It's easy, and it's hard.
 

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I wish Monty well, but he HAD to go. You know when a man has lost the room entirely. On this Bruins team, we were about to witness a circus of epic proportions keeping him. That's the game. He's going to land on another team for SURE. I'm not worried about Monty.

Over to the team, we have a leadership issue. Full stop.

Marchand is an ok captain. He is not Bergeron or Chara. His motor is relentless. But he does not hold the room the way previous captains did.

The leadership group of Pasta/Charlie/Coyle/Carlo doesn't have a Bergeron/Chara lion in it. They are GOOD NHL players (usually). Pasta has the potential to be great on nights he doesn't accept taking zero shots (honestly?). But that list of players so far have just largely proven to fold in big moments. I'm Mr positive on this team and even I can't deny it. The mental and professional aspect of this game, they have not yet risen to. They have all the talent.

The new Bruins look to the core to pace everything. When you're new, you fall in behind the established leaders. And our leaders are NOT pacing this team. Every one of our leaders is pacing for a bust of a season. No surprise, so are our newcomers.

A great coach has to come in, look at what he's got, and figure out how to win. All of us believed this team had to defend in layers. Play the man hard. Fight for every puck. Destroy star players with legal hits. Save and block pucks. These players do not, because the leaders do not.

So we'll see which coach gets these guys to defend their square foot of ice for millions of dollars. That's the game. It's easy, and it's hard.
From where we sit, I think Brad is a decent captain. Pasta has developed into a leader also. I like Mac but do not see him as a leader. :dunno:

IMO, I think there are fewer leaders on this team than the Bs have previously had. I am going to watch more closely Thursday.
 
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The fact that Sacco has survived multiple coaching changes speaks volumes as to how respected he is by the team and management. I am fine with seeing what he can do for 10 games before they make a knee jerk trade. It is clear Monty lost the room and when you add in some residual resentment over the Swayman situation, you get what has happened thus far.
 

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We have four players that we can trade quite easily, either now, or at the trade deadline.
Personally, I would trade at least 2 at the deadline as teams over pay that need that addition to get them closer to the cup. I did not include Freddy in the list as I would want to keep him and extend him. Lohrei is our only decent young player with more potential that we need to keep.
Potsy has regressed since last year and is showing very little in the AHL, where he should be a PPG player. Hope he can improve his game and get back to the team soon.

Coyle - 8 team no trade - 5.25 M for one more year
Zacha - 10 team no trade - 4.75M for 2 years
Carlo - 10 team no trade - 4.1M for 2 years
Geekie- RFA

Coyle and Zacha will get you a first rounder for each at the deadline. Personally I would rather take A prospects as we are inept when it comes to drafting and a draft pick is going to take at least 3 years of development to make the team. "A" prospects should be 1-2 years away from making the team.
Carlo - I would trade him for a smaller, more skilled defenceman that can move the puck. Severson and Jack Thompson are two I would target.
Geekie - he should get us a mid round pick, or B prospect.
Don’t agree that Coyle and Zacha get you a first.
 

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I wish Monty well, but he HAD to go. You know when a man has lost the room entirely. On this Bruins team, we were about to witness a circus of epic proportions keeping him. That's the game. He's going to land on another team for SURE. I'm not worried about Monty.

Over to the team, we have a leadership issue. Full stop.

Marchand is an ok captain. He is not Bergeron or Chara. His motor is relentless. But he does not hold the room the way previous captains did.

The leadership group of Pasta/Charlie/Coyle/Carlo doesn't have a Bergeron/Chara lion in it. They are GOOD NHL players (usually). Pasta has the potential to be great on nights he doesn't accept taking zero shots (honestly?). But that list of players so far have just largely proven to fold in big moments. I'm Mr positive on this team and even I can't deny it. The mental and professional aspect of this game, they have not yet risen to. They have all the talent.

The new Bruins look to the core to pace everything. When you're new, you fall in behind the established leaders. And our leaders are NOT pacing this team. Every one of our leaders is pacing for a bust of a season. No surprise, so are our newcomers.

A great coach has to come in, look at what he's got, and figure out how to win. All of us believed this team had to defend in layers. Play the man hard. Fight for every puck. Destroy star players with legal hits. Save and block pucks. These players do not, because the leaders do not.

So we'll see which coach gets these guys to defend their square foot of ice for millions of dollars. That's the game. It's easy, and it's hard.
In Marchand's defense it was easier for previous captains to lead when they had other HOF leaders and even respected veterans in the room with them. To me it seems like Marchand is alone too many nights.
 

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From where we sit, I think Brad is a decent captain. Pasta has developed into a leader also. I like Mac but do not see him as a leader. :dunno:

IMO, I think there are fewer leaders on this team than the Bs have previously had. I am going to watch more closely Thursday.
Charlie's leadership is definitely more off ice IMO. He's 26 and still growing into the roll especially in the post Chara-Bergeron-Krejci era.
 

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From where we sit, I think Brad is a decent captain. Pasta has developed into a leader also. I like Mac but do not see him as a leader. :dunno:

IMO, I think there are fewer leaders on this team than the Bs have previously had. I am going to watch more closely Thursday.

The on ice product shows a group of disjointed players totally unwilling to buy into anything. The guys at the top (coaches, leaders) typically are responsible for that. It's been an era since we've seen a Bruins team run around like this with their heads cut off.
 

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And btw, I disagree with those who say Neely and Sweeney didn't win us anything.

I LOVE that for so many damn years, any Bruins game I turned on was winnable. That was such a treat. They were so fun to watch.

We really feel it when that's gone. Watching now can be downright dreadful. And then one day, they'll be good again.
 

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In Marchand's defense it was easier for previous captains to lead when they had other HOF leaders and even respected veterans in the room with them. To me it seems like Marchand is alone too many nights.
People need to move on from trying to compare Marchand and the current leadership to those of the past, specifically Chara and Bergeron.

They are carrying on the culture they built but in different styles. Marchand is a damn good captain. I think Pasta has really grown into his roll especially on ice. McAvoy is only 26 and is growing into his roll but based on what we've seen in behind the B and written, he's more of a behind the scenes guy.

I'm not worried about the leadership.
 

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People need to move on from trying to compare Marchand and the current leadership to those of the past, specifically Chara and Bergeron.

They are carrying on the culture they built but in different styles. Marchand is a damn good captain. I think Pasta has really grown into his roll especially on ice. McAvoy is only 26 and is growing into his roll but based on what we've seen in behind the B and written, he's more of a behind the scenes guy.

I'm not worried about the leadership.

As a pretty great coach goes down in flames before the 30 game mark, we just have to agree to disagree.
 

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