Monahan dilemma, to sign or not to sign?

Would you extend Monahan or trade him?

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DAChampion

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We should trade Monahan if we get a 1st.
Should Hughes trade as many players as he can if they all get 1sts? What if he can get 1sts for each of Edmundson, Savard, Monahan, Dvorak with retention, and Anderson? Should he trade all five?
 

nhlfan9191

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wouldnt mind a "trade then extend " type of scenario. I think he is going to ask too much though, with the season he is having. More importantly, i think he is going to ask for too long and may be too old by the time this team truly gets competitive. In his shoes, i would also look for opportunities for hte cup ASAP
Lots of players seem to come here and get a boost. I think of guys like Tatar, Domi, Erik Cole, etc. I don’t know if it’s the excitement of playing in Montreal but I wouldn’t commit to Monahan long term. We can add vets once the team matures. We should keep focusing on cleaning up some of the contracts so HuGo has the cap space needed to add the pieces they need when the team is seriously competing again.
 

DAChampion

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What evidence do you have that trading everyone over 25 is very effective? Can you point to teams that actually did that and then went on to be contenders?
Legend has it that Toronto would have had a shorter rebuild if not for Fletcher and co. giving NTCs to Sundin, Kaberle, McCabe, Kubina, and Tucker.
 

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I can't vote in a black or white vote when the situation is more complex then that.

If negotiations are ongoing, what is the term and expected cap hit?

On the market, what is his value going to look like at the TDL?

Without the inside info on those two above questions all I can do is play speculation games on here. Thankfully I trust that Hughes will handle it well with the inside scoop.
 

JoelWarlord

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I don't think the Monahan decision is all that impactful on the team's overall strategic direction in terms of youth vs vets or anything like that, especially when signing Monahan likely means the Habs will expedite a Dvorak trade, while trading Monahan probably means they'll keep Dvorak around longer as a vet C. All of Drouin, Hoffman, Dadonov, and Edmundson will be gone within the next two seasons, with a high chance that Dvorak and Anderson are both traded by then as well.

After the 2023-24 trade deadline there's a pretty real possibility that Gallagher, Matheson, Armia, and Savard are the only guys left from our current group of roster veterans. We're not likely to develop players to fill every single lineup spot, so I don't think signing Monahan is necessarily going to determine whether the team is going for youth or veterans.

To me it just comes down to the individual player's health and what the potential contract looks like. My preference is to trade him because I'm cagey about his injury history and don't really want to lock him in for 5+ years starting at 29, but if they have reason to believe his health issues aren't going to be a problem in the future or can get a 3-4 year deal done then I won't be upset about it.
 

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If Monahan gets us a high 1st rounder, I would probably make the trade. but if it's a contender giving us around the 30th pick, no, that won't be enough by itself.
A contender's first is from 25th to lower. A high first rounder come from a team like us. Why they want him ? That is the reason why we have to keep him.
 

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Rangers weren’t already saddled with Gally, Anderson, Armia and Hoffman contracts.
Anderson is not as bad as Gally, Armia and Hoffman. He's young, he skates fast and he's something rare for a player wearing Habs jersey. But Tuch will be his replacement in 2 years if he keep on his progression.
 

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I don't think the Monahan decision is all that impactful on the team's overall strategic direction in terms of youth vs vets or anything like that, especially when signing Monahan likely means the Habs will expedite a Dvorak trade, while trading Monahan probably means they'll keep Dvorak around longer as a vet C. All of Drouin, Hoffman, Dadonov, and Edmundson will be gone within the next two seasons, with a high chance that Dvorak and Anderson are both traded by then as well.

After the 2023-24 trade deadline there's a pretty real possibility that Gallagher, Matheson, Armia, and Savard are the only guys left from our current group of roster veterans. We're not likely to develop players to fill every single lineup spot, so I don't think signing Monahan is necessarily going to determine whether the team is going for youth or veterans.

To me it just comes down to the individual player's health and what the potential contract looks like. My preference is to trade him because I'm cagey about his injury history and don't really want to lock him in for 5+ years starting at 29, but if they have reason to believe his health issues aren't going to be a problem in the future or can get a 3-4 year deal done then I won't be upset about it.
Dvorak will be hardly tradable. MLS will try to make anything possible to make him look good if the management wants to trade him. Well, good luck for this, Dvorak might have the best wingers, it's still very hard to polish his image. A low skater is a slow skater. And I don't think MSL will go as far as giving CC to Dvorak. This board will go on flame if that happens, lol.

One question : is it possible to trade Dvorak for Danault? Dvorak is cheaper and younger. That's a deal for the Kings, they should jump on this before HuGo change his mind.
 

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I wasn’t implying he was a problem, but he is a vet with a big contract was my point when comparing to how/why Rangers signed Kreider.

Having said that Id still trade Anderson now 😂
But it's not a big contract for a veteran who scores 20-27 goals per year.

Stop thinking we are going to compete on a restricted budget. What we need to avoid is the Byron, Armia, Hoffman and Gallagher type of contracts.

I am ok with one of Monahan or Anderson staying and contributing.
 
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But it's not a big contract for a veteran who scores 20-27 goals per year.

Stop thinking we are going to compete on a restricted budget. What we need to avoid is the Byron, Armia, Hoffman and Gallagher type of contracts.

I am ok with one of Monahan or Anderson staying and contributing.
My main concern about Monahan is if he stays healthy. His age is not really a problem, his salary too.
He could be a player with a special status : reduce his ice time in jan-feb-march-april to be sure he will be healthy when PO comes.
 

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What evidence do you have that trading everyone over 25 is very effective? Can you point to teams that actually did that and then went on to be contenders?
That’s not to say trade everyone over 25 so there are none left, but to take good offers on pretty much any of them. Pretty much all of them are quite available.

Lots of teams have tanked. A few quite intentionally. Some of those have come out well. I think the habs are doing well so far but they need another high pick or two. Teams like the avs, pens, and lightning got good after a series of high picks, not just one and back to competitive hockey.
 

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Having a team under-25 doesn’t even work in EA NHL.
However, it’s the only vision that is consistently endorsed across HF. Ideally, works best if players are closer to 18 than to 25. :sarcasm:
 

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But it's not a big contract for a veteran who scores 20-27 goals per year.

Stop thinking we are going to compete on a restricted budget. What we need to avoid is the Byron, Armia, Hoffman and Gallagher type of contracts.

I am ok with one of Monahan or Anderson staying and contributing.
Show me a power forward who doesn’t start breaking down around 30. It’s rare, I’d sell before he is messed up and we won’t actually be competing for a cup on the next couple years when he can contribute
 

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However, it’s the only vision that is consistently endorsed across HF. Ideally, works best if players are closer to 18 than to 25. :sarcasm:
Quoting EA NHL makes my day. That explains a lot of things. Lol, I'm joking.
I can accept to ridicule myself as a self-derision of me but I'm not ready to quote EA NHL on this board.
 
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My main concern about Monaghan is if he stays healthy. … He could be a player with a special status : reduce his ice time in jan-feb-march-april to be sure he will be healthy when PO comes.
The only special status that Monahan might have is that he can become the first prosthetic NHLer under 30 who will develop a line of fashion orthopaedic devices as he fights to stave off arthritis onset. :sarcasm:
 
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LaP

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Should Hughes trade as many players as he can if they all get 1sts? What if he can get 1sts for each of Edmundson, Savard, Monahan, Dvorak with retention, and Anderson? Should he trade all five?
Of course not. We need 20 players for next season and we need experience. Should he trade one and add a first in 2023 if possible my answer is yes 100%.
 
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Takeru

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The odds to draft a better player are low in the 20 to 30 range but the cap hit saved also open up opportunities. He is also injury prone.

Trade.
I've already seen it mentioned, but next summer is probably our last opportunity to capitalize on cap space before the cap goes up.

Some teams will once again end up against the cap and unload decent players at a premium.

Hurricanes were able to build a pretty competitive team thanks in part to those type of trades.
 
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I would assume it's a nagging injury then. If it was serious, the IR announcement would have released by now right? This extra time off is a good thing. More treatment/rest time.
Friolet just says “foot” in brackets. We don’t know if it’s a new injury or the aggravation of a pre-existing one. I don’t put too much weight on the lack of a IR announcement since as you well know, they can make it retroactive.

There was player movement with their ECHL and Laval affiliates. I saw that Laval called up two players, don’t know if it means anything for the big club.
 

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Friolet just says “foot” in brackets. We don’t know if it’s a new injury or the aggravation of a pre-existing one. I don’t put too much weight on the lack of a IR announcement since as you well know, they can make it retroactive.

There was player movement with their ECHL and Laval affiliates. I saw that Laval called up two players, don’t know if it means anything for the big club.

I hope it's minor. We will see. If they feel it will linger on... rest him till the home game against the Ducks (next Thursday).
 
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