Price + for Ehlers? Who needs to get a grip? Come on man! Seriously. You don't have to like the deal but trolling the value of Price like that is very disrespectful towards Price as one of best goaltenders in the world. I get the contract concerns but it is not an unmovable contract. If you don't want Price, good luck with Mason or whoever else you think is the solution for the Jets.
Not even close. Anyway in a vacuum, if we're trading one of the best goaltenders in the NHL the return would be something similar to a calibre player such as Laine, no 1st added. However, WPG say no obviously, MTL fans say no b/c Price is literally the team.Price has to be by far the most overrated trade asset used around here.
As I pointed out earlier, using Jets' last year's goals against, replacing a .910 goalie with a .920 goalie for 60 games(estimate for the #1 goalie), it's about 21 less goals against for the season.Not even close. Anyway in a vacuum, if we're trading one of the best goaltenders in the NHL the return would be something similar to a calibre player such as Laine, no 1st added. However, WPG say no obviously, MTL fans say no b/c Price is literally the team.
Masons contract ends when Laines new kicks in, so no we wont save any money...Now I am not saying the Jets should do this trade but you guys should stop using this lame ass excuse. Laine projects to be nearly 10 mil a year, how much is Mason? So long as the Habs take Mason back you are actually saving money in 2 years time.
It is an interesting proposal from the point of view of what is Price worth. You look at the Schneider trade and he went for a high first. You look at the Stephan trade he also went for a high first. I have to think Price is worth more than that.
This trade might have made sense right after Laine was drafted but his value is way too high now.
My guess is Laine is a Jet for at least the next 8-10 years. Other than trading him for an elite D/ #1C if the Jets had some career ending injury problems on their blue line or to Scheifele, maybe then they would move him and that is still a big if.
If the Habs want to trade Price my advice would be not to bother trying to get a Laine, Eichel or Matthews type player. You probably would have to settle for a 1rst a prospect and a goalie back.
I agree that Price would never return an Eichel or Matthews type of player, since they're centers, and #1 centers are super hard to find. But elite wingers don't really do that much to their teams (at least not as much as someone like Price would do to a team). I understand the age factor being a concern, but it's as if people think Price's 10.5m contract is negative value, or not worth much at all... I mean, here's a guy who could win many unwinnable games on his own. He is the Montreal Canadiens: everything lies with him. He goes down, the team goes down with him. But nahhhh, goalies have no value. I'd love to see Jonathan Quick, Braden Holtby, Matt Murray, or another top-tier goalie stand on his head for the majority of the season year after year in front of a putrid team like the Habs. That's what Price does to our shit team (it really is a shit team without him). I'm all for a true rebuild, because we can't do f*** all with Price being the only one working his ass off game in, game out. But yeah... a playoff choker who got his team to the conference finals (where he got injured in game 1 - he possibly could have brought that crap team all the way to the finish line, who knows?) I wonder how much has a player like Ovechkin done for his team - a team that has a true #1C (and a great 2C too), a top-tier goalie in Holtby, solid defense all-around, solid team all around... That's right, one of the BEST wingers/snipers in the history of NHL hasn't even got past the 2nd round. Price did it with a shit team.Now I am not saying the Jets should do this trade but you guys should stop using this lame ass excuse. Laine projects to be nearly 10 mil a year, how much is Mason? So long as the Habs take Mason back you are actually saving money in 2 years time.
It is an interesting proposal from the point of view of what is Price worth. You look at the Schneider trade and he went for a high first. You look at the Stephan trade he also went for a high first. I have to think Price is worth more than that.
This trade might have made sense right after Laine was drafted but his value is way too high now.
My guess is Laine is a Jet for at least the next 8-10 years. Other than trading him for an elite D/ #1C if the Jets had some career ending injury problems on their blue line or to Scheifele, maybe then they would move him and that is still a big if.
If the Habs want to trade Price my advice would be not to bother trying to get a Laine, Eichel or Matthews type player. You probably would have to settle for a 1rst a prospect and a goalie back.
As I pointed out earlier, using Jets' last year's goals against, replacing a .910 goalie with a .920 goalie for 60 games(estimate for the #1 goalie), it's about 21 less goals against for the season.
Laine himself scored 36 goals, which is 15 more than that. And the assists probably are worth something as well. Add contracts, age and this is seriously not close if you use any logic at all.
Price would literally have to be a .935 goalie for it to be worth it 1:1 even without considering ages or contracts, and you're kidding yourself if you think he's capable of that with Jets D.
It's amazing how many people think so highly of the impact of goalies when it comes to value above replacement. A goalie isn't a position worth paying a ton over. It only affects a single part of the game(whether opponent's shots convert), and when your team's getting run over in actual gameplay, a goalie can VERY rarely steal a match. And even when they do, a better skater could just have avoided that scenario in the first place. Even the very best goalie does essentially nothing for shot generation, shot suppression, possession in general, penalties, the flow of the game etc. and does absolutely nothing for goals for(A goalie isn't going to win you a 0-0 game, Laine might).
But that doesn't translate well with goalies. Apparently it's easy to find a talent like Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Price, etc. He's on a league of his own - and people fail to understand just what type of team he's playing in front of - and has done so for years and years. Hence why so many NHL players say he's the best, the toughest to face, etc. Remove Price from the Habs, and they are a bottom-5 team at best. There's no other team in the league (not even VGK) that is empty in the middle, and I have a hard time believing there are more than several teams out there with a worse defense than the Habs - it's that bad. We're all about them wingers who fail to show up a lot of the time, and Price Price Price.
Feels perfectly fine with meWorks two ways. There is no way the Habs trade Price for Ehlers straight up. How does that feel?
I agree with the faulty logic behind the trade, but I'm hard pressed to think of a goalie better than Price right now. Pray do tell who you think is the best goalie in the world oh omniscient one....Someday, this myth will die, along with the equally preposterous notion that the Habs are nothing without Price, and folks will realize that he is "merely" elite.
So you just break even, the point still stands.Masons contract ends when Laines new kicks in, so no we wont save any money...
Someday, this myth will die, along with the equally preposterous notion that the Habs are nothing without Price, and folks will realize that he is "merely" elite.
Agreed.One of these names is not like the others
It's not a constant. There's several guys who are among the best; there's no single one who stands out above the rest year after year after year. Price has been that standout guy once or twice, but the same is also true of guys like Lundqvist and Bobrovsky.I agree with the faulty logic behind the trade, but I'm hard pressed to think of a goalie better than Price right now. Pray do tell who you think is the best goalie in the world oh omniscient one....
The bottom line is Price gives the Jets a good chance at a cup now while Buff, Wheeler, Little, Sheif, Trouba, etc are all in the fold.