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[forceten]

At some point the Devils need to quietly address the horrific officiating bias against NJ these last few games.

Tonight alone a linesman said it was a devil stick on a high stick when JT wasn’t, and then overturned (illegally) a called penalty for tripping. The refereeing was completely one sided - a push was a hold against us, Blatant trips and interference that stopped possession or scoring chances let go for sharks. The lack of ability to get out of the way twice at the end - after a sequence in the sharks zone where they let two callable penalties go - is unforgiveble. Ceci shouldn’t have been able to shoot.

Just another game of a string where we have been on the short end of the officiating stick and I’m getting very tired of it. Yes we should have won regardless but this is an issue

 

[longislanddevil]

Keefe is the polar opposite of Ruff when it comes to line changes. He makes very minor changes (swapping Noesen and Mercer) at most while Lindy put the lines in a blender. While I certainly didn’t care for Lindy’s line shuffling approach, I feel like Keefe is going too far in the other direction. Yes, we have a serious personnel issue with guys who are completely cooked or knocking on that door like Haula and Palat….guys who some of us think are capable of elevating their games like Mercer who have stagnated and displayed no ability to do so. That doesn’t mean we should just stick with status quo.

Stapling guys together who do not play well with one another and not making adjustments (scares me for the playoffs) is just stubborn. Why not at least try Cotter with Hughes and Bratt? How about moving Tatar up to the Nico line since they historically have had strong chemistry together? Maybe put Meier on the third line a bit and see if that gets Haula/Mercer going?

I have been quite pleased overall with Sheldon but he does strike me as the type of guy who may be a bit too rigid. The evidence would suggest that to this point.

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[Jersey Fan 12]

playing with jack and bratt really gave haula a huge bump but he can’t carry a line. the third line is entirely complimentary pieces on a good line but together like this they’re not going to generate much offense at all

OR, Hughes benefitted from playing with Haula last year because he could freelance and didn't have to play the defensive roles of the center position.

To his credit, Jack Hughes has been a much better two-way player this season.

At some point the Devils need to quietly address the horrific officiating bias against NJ these last few games.

Tonight alone a linesman said it was a devil stick on a high stick when JT wasn’t, and then overturned (illegally) a called penalty for tripping. The refereeing was completely one sided - a push was a hold against us, Blatant trips and interference that stopped possession or scoring chances let go for sharks. The lack of ability to get out of the way twice at the end - after a sequence in the sharks zone where they let two callable penalties go - is unforgiveble. Ceci shouldn’t have been able to shoot.

Just another game of a string where we have been on the short end of the officiating stick and I’m getting very tired of it. Yes we should have won regardless but this is an issue

The Ghosts of Don Koharski.

 

[longislanddevil]

As much as I love Nico, Celebrini is probably better than any of the players in that group already.

And if the scouting reports are accurate, Dickinson is better than any defenseman on the current Devils' roster - or in the pipeline.

I really hope our Russian unicorn works out (I’m optimistic) because I thought Dickinson was a great stylistic fit for our blueline. It was shocking to see both available at 10OA.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Celebrini is already better than Jack Hughes? Um no.

 

[Call Me Al]

yeah lmao

 

[RSeen]

Keefe is the polar opposite of Ruff when it comes to line changes. He makes very minor changes (swapping Noesen and Mercer) at most while Lindy put the lines in a blender. While I certainly didn’t care for Lindy’s line shuffling approach, I feel like Keefe is going too far in the other direction. Yes, we have a serious personnel issue with guys who are completely cooked or knocking on that door like Haula and Palat….guys who some of us think are capable of elevating their games like Mercer who have stagnated and displayed no ability to do so. That doesn’t mean we should just stick with status quo.

Stapling guys together who do not play well with one another and not making adjustments (scares me for the playoffs) is just stubborn. Why not at least try Cotter with Hughes and Bratt? How about moving Tatar up to the Nico line since they historically have had strong chemistry together? Maybe put Meier on the third line a bit and see if that gets Haula/Mercer going?

I have been quite pleased overall with Sheldon but he does strike me as the type of guy who may be a bit too rigid. The evidence would suggest that to this point.

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Tatar-Hischier-Noesen
Meier-Haula-Mercer
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I would rather try Noesen or Mercer with Bratt and Hughes than Cotter. Cotter just isn't good enough for the top 6, doesn't have the hockey IQ for it.

Meier, I don't really want on the third line. He isn't going to be any more productive there.

 

[Cheddabombs]

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[My3Sons]

Keefe is the polar opposite of Ruff when it comes to line changes. He makes very minor changes (swapping Noesen and Mercer) at most while Lindy put the lines in a blender. While I certainly didn’t care for Lindy’s line shuffling approach, I feel like Keefe is going too far in the other direction. Yes, we have a serious personnel issue with guys who are completely cooked or knocking on that door like Haula and Palat….guys who some of us think are capable of elevating their games like Mercer who have stagnated and displayed no ability to do so. That doesn’t mean we should just stick with status quo.

Stapling guys together who do not play well with one another and not making adjustments (scares me for the playoffs) is just stubborn. Why not at least try Cotter with Hughes and Bratt? How about moving Tatar up to the Nico line since they historically have had strong chemistry together? Maybe put Meier on the third line a bit and see if that gets Haula/Mercer going?

I have been quite pleased overall with Sheldon but he does strike me as the type of guy who may be a bit too rigid. The evidence would suggest that to this point.

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Tatar-Hischier-Noesen
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Meh. You can hope Tatar works out better with Hischier and Noesen but it’s a different team with a different coach playing differently. And he’s older and to my eyes at least does not look like the same player from his last tenure. Plus haven’t they tried Cotter with Jack and Bratt already? In a 60 minute game assuming about 10 minutes are special teams you have to play about 50 minutes at even strength (maybe more like 48 since the team down a goal will empty the net). For those 48 minutes I’d just as soon stack two lines and play them about 15 minutes each so maybe your bottom two only have to play about 18 minutes combined. Maybe that’s 12 minutes for one and 6 for the other but in any event I don’t want to make players who aren’t standing out on lower lines have to play even more minutes against tougher competition. I’m not against experimenting with lines since chemistry is a funny thing but I’m skeptical asking Cotter and Tatar to have heavy workloads and responsibility will work over thr full season. Just my thoughts.

 

[forceten]

I'm worried about us being right up against the cap with so many passengers on the team that are JAGs and not producing. Palat, Haula, Tatar, Allen, Dillon. 3 of them are signed next year for $13.15M. Allen and Tatar are UFA and won't be re-signed.

I don't want to trade picks/assets to get rid of contracts since we have so few assets as it is, but I'm not sure how else we could move Palat. Haula only has one year after this one. But Palat and Dillon have two.

 

[Shakir ONeal]

I blame Optimum/MSG for the losing streak

 

[Bleedred]

I really wanted to pick that post apart, but my phone battery was so low and I figured I'd let others feast on that.

I don't think he said Celebrini is better than Hughes, but that Celebrini is already better than Nico, which is also incredibly false.

That's one of those ''Everything that guy just said is bullshit'' from My Cousin Vinny moments.

EDIT - Okay, actually yeah, he did say that too. He said better than any of those players in that group already, which I think I named Nico, Hughes, Hughes and Bratt.

That truly is the worst thing I've heard since the Zegras is better than Hughes stuff from 2-3 years ago. But that Zegras is better than Hughes was actually a take I have heard from several people and publications.

I don't think you'll find many people arguing that Celebrini in 2025 is better than the 2025 versions of Jack Hughes or Nico Hischier.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

As much as I love Nico, Celebrini is probably better than any of the players in that group already.

And if the scouting reports are accurate, Dickinson is better than any defenseman on the current Devils' roster - or in the pipeline.

Macklin Celebrini is better than Jack Hughes and Jesper Bratt? lmao

I can't wait til we win a few games so you'll disappear again

 

[My3Sons]

I really wanted to pick that post apart, but my phone battery was so low and I figured I'd let others feast on that.

I don't think he said Celebrini is better than Hughes, but that Celebrini is already better than Nico, which is also incredibly false.

That's one of those ''Everything that guy just said is bullshit'' from My Cousin Vinny moments.

EDIT - Okay, actually yeah, he did say that too. He said better than any of those players in that group already, which I think I named Nico, Hughes, Hughes and Bratt.

That truly is the worst thing I've heard since the Zegras is better than Hughes stuff from 2-3 years ago. But that Zegras is better than Hughes was actually a take I have heard from several people and publications.

I don't think you'll find many people arguing that Celebrini in 2025 is better than the 2025 versions of Jack Hughes or Nico Hischier.

The whole argument is misplaced. Define “better” in an objective way that everyone agrees with. If that doesn’t happen it’s potentially a Subjective term that just ends up with people taking past each other. Like how that one poster who always talks about the goalies keeps telling us Vanacek is a better goalie than Shesterkin. Who knows what that looney even means?

 

[njdevils1982]

Bit of an aside but Dickinson's London Knights team looks to be a machine so far this year. Their back up goalie is 16-0.*


*(I might be using the term "back up" liberally)

anyone remember when ray emery went 17-1 in 21 games the season the hawks won the cup?

crawford did well also

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[PKs Broken Stick]

Id like to know wth Markstrom was doing on Celebrini's goal. I seriously just don't understand.

 

[Bleedred]

Yeah, the Celebrini goal was bad, bad, bad. I was so pissed when it happened that I thought maybe it went up top shelf or possibly through his arm. I knew it was a bad enough goal that I was gonna nail him for a stoppable goal on it.

But it took until I went back and reviewed everything to notice how wide his legs were open on that one. You could have had an entire convoy go through his legs on that goal.

The Ceci goal was also bad.

It sucks that we have to talk about lousy goaltending being the difference in losing a 3-2 game to the San Jose Sharks, but I do think he had his worst game in a number of weeks.

 

[Andre Palot]

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My emotional support dumpster fire is watching this year's New York Rangers.

The best therapy there is.

 

[Dylan9z9]

Yeah, the Celebrini goal was bad, bad, bad. I was so pissed when it happened that I thought maybe it went up top shelf or possibly through his arm. I knew it was a bad enough goal that I was gonna nail him for a stoppable goal on it.

But it took until I went back and reviewed everything to notice how wide his legs were open on that one. You could have had an entire convoy go through his legs on that goal.

The Ceci goal was also bad.

It sucks that we have to talk about lousy goaltending being the difference in losing a 3-2 game to the San Jose Sharks, but I do think he had his worst game in a

Celebrini is already better than Jack Hughes? Um no.

I don't think he said that I'm thinking he was referring to the Sharks group

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I don't think he said that I'm thinking he was referring to the Sharks group

As much as I love Nico, Celebrini is probably better than any of the players in that group already.

And if the scouting reports are accurate, Dickinson is better than any defenseman on the current Devils' roster - or in the pipeline.

nah, he definitely said what we thought he said.

also said Dickinson is better than Luke.

 

[Dylan9z9]

I don't think he said that I'm thinking he was referring to the Sharks group

Or maybe he did

 

[billingtons ghost]

Yeah, the Celebrini goal was bad, bad, bad. I was so pissed when it happened that I thought maybe it went up top shelf or possibly through his arm. I knew it was a bad enough goal that I was gonna nail him for a stoppable goal on it.

But it took until I went back and reviewed everything to notice how wide his legs were open on that one. You could have had an entire convoy go through his legs on that goal.

The Ceci goal was also bad.

It sucks that we have to talk about lousy goaltending being the difference in losing a 3-2 game to the San Jose Sharks, but I do think he had his worst game in a number of weeks.

It wasn't the difference. Average goaltending and you're already down 4-1 in the first.

There were at least three elite saves by Markstrom that 90% if goaltender don't make. Sharks had much better chances through two periods

I agree the five hole goal was garbage and the ceci goal was terrible