MLB: New PBA Proposal would Eliminate 25% of Minor League Baseball in 2021

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Kane One

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The Mets would have to relocate the Cyclones out of Brooklyn if the Yankees decide to launch an AAA team in Brooklyn. AAA expansion teams are usually started from scratch, more so than expansion teams in lower levels, though new AAA teams typically take the place of lower-level teams that once played in the cities hosting new AAA franchises.

As an example, the Durham Bulls were once members of the Carolina League and affiliated with the Braves. The Carolina League franchise moved to Danville, VA for one year, then to Myrtle Beach, SC, when the Bulls owners successfully pursued an International League expansion team affiliated with Tampa Bay.

If the Yankees build their own AAA team from scratch in Brooklyn (as in owning the team), then the Mets would have to relocate the Cyclones. Central Islip might be a good place, where they would take up the Long Island Ducks identity.
Why the hell would the Mets do that when the Cyclones have been wildly successful since their first season?

They have led the league in attendance every year since 2005. They probably lead before then as well but this website I’m on doesn’t go that far back.

New York-Penn League History: Update: Average Attendance figures in the New York-Penn League, 2005-2019

They also rank 46 in all of MiLB while also obviously being a low A team.

2019 Affiliated Attendance by Average
 
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Now that I think about it, the reason San Antonio hasn't built a new minor league stadium is because they really want to be in the majors for baseball.

Well, my proposed 40-team alignment does include San Antonio in the CL.
 

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Now, here are the changes I have proposed for the minor leagues if MLB were to adopt my four-league alignment when expanding to 32:

Triple-A Central:
North:
Columbus (Cleveland)
Indianapolis (Chicago Sox)
Iowa (Chicago Cubs)
Omaha (Kansas City)
St. Paul (Minnesota)
Toledo (Detroit)

South:
Louisville (Cincinnati)
Memphis (Nashville)
New Orleans (relocated Nashville, may probably require new stadium) (Milwaukee)
Oklahoma City (St. Louis)
Round Rock (Texas)
Sugar Land (Houston)

Triple-A East:
North:
Buffalo (Toronto)
Lehigh Valley (Philadelphia)
Rochester (Montreal)
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (Pittsburgh)
Syracuse (NY Mets)
Worcester (Boston)

South:
Bowie (expansion team, may require new stadium) (Washington)
Charlotte (NY Yankees)
Durham (Tampa Bay)
Gwinnett (Atlanta)
Jacksonville (Miami)
Norfolk (Baltimore)

Triple-A West:
Albuquerque (Colorado)
El Paso (San Diego)
Las Vegas (Arizona)
Rancho Cucamonga (expansion team, may require new stadium) (LA Dodgers)
Reno (Oakland)
Sacramento (San Francisco)
Salt Lake (LA Angels)
Tacoma (Seattle)

Double-A Northeast:
East:
Binghamton (NY Mets)
Hartford (Colorado)
New Hampshire (Toronto)
Pawtucket (Boston)
Portland (Montreal)
Somerset (NY Yankees)

West:
Akron (Cleveland)
Altoona (Pittsburgh)
Erie (Detroit)
Harrisburg (Baltimore)
Reading (Philadelphia)
Richmond (San Francisco)

Double-A South:
East:
Bowling Green (KY) (Chicago Cubs)
Chattanooga (Nashville)
Lexington (KY) (moving in from Atlantic League) (Cincinnati)
Pensacola (Miami)
Tennessee (Washington)

West:
Biloxi (Milwaukee)
Birmingham (Chicago Sox)
Mississippi (Atlanta)
Montgomery (Tampa Bay)
Rocket City (LA Angels)

High-A Central:
East:
Fort Wayne (Houston)
Great Lakes (Montreal)
Lansing (Toronto)
South Bend (Chicago Cubs)
West Michigan (Detroit)

West:
Beloit (Miami)
Cedar Rapids (Minnesota)
Peoria (St. Louis)
Quad Cities (Kansas City)
Wisconsin (Milwaukee)

High-A Northeast:
Aberdeen (Baltimore)
Annapolis (Washington)
Brooklyn (NY Mets)
Dayton (Cincinnati)
Hudson Valley (NY Yankees)
Jersey Shore (Philadelphia)
Lake County (Cleveland)
Wilmington (Tampa Bay)

High-A Southeast:
Asheville (Nashville)
Greensboro (Pittsburgh)
Greenville (Boston)
Hickory (Texas)
Rome (Atlanta)
Winston-Salem (Chicago Sox)

High-A West:
Eugene (San Francisco)
Everett (Seattle)
Hillsboro (Arizona)
Olympia (expansion team) (Oakland)
Spokane (Colorado)
Tri-City (LA Angels)
Vancouver (LA Dodgers)
Victoria (expansion team) (San Diego)

Low-A Southeast:
East:
Daytona (Cincinnati)
Fort Myers (Montreal)
Jupiter (Miami)
Lakeland (Detroit)
Palm Beach (Cleveland)
St. Lucie (NY Mets)

West:
Bradenton (Pittsburgh)
Clearwater (Philadelphia)
Dunedin (Toronto)
North Port (expansion team) (Atlanta)
Port Charlotte (expansion team) (Tampa Bay)
Tampa (NY Yankees)

Low-A West:
Fresno (Colorado)
Inland Empire (LA Angels)
Lake Elsinore (San Diego)
Modesto (Seattle)
San Jose (San Francisco)
Santa Barbara (LA Dodgers)
Stockton (Oakland)
Visalia (Arizona)

Low-A East affiliation changes:
Augusta: Atlanta to Minnesota
Charleston: Tampa Bay to Nashville
Lynchburg: Cleveland to St. Louis

Rookie:
Cactus:
Angels (LA Angels)
Athletics (Oakland)
Diamondbacks (Arizona)
Dodgers (LA Dodgers)
Giants (San Francisco)
Mariners (Seattle)
Padres (San Diego)
Rockies (Colorado)

Gulf Coast:
Briggs (Central States Teams):
Barons (Cleveland)
Reds (Cincinnati)
Tigers (Detroit)
Volunteers (Nashville)

Dreyfuss (NL East Coast Teams):
Marlins (Miami)
Mets (NY Mets)
Phillies (Philadelphia)
Pirates (Pittsburgh)

Steinbrenner (AL East Coast Teams):
Nationals (Washington)
Orioles (Baltimore)
Red Sox (Boston)
Yankees (NY Yankees)

Turner (CL East Coast Teams):
Blue Jays (Toronto)
Expos (Montreal)
Rays (Tampa Bay)
Thrashers (Atlanta)

Lone Star (new):
Astros (Houston)
Brewers (Milwaukee)
Cardinals (St. Louis)
Cubs (Chicago Cubs)
Rangers (Texas)
Royals (Kansas City)
Twins (Minnesota)
White Sox (Chicago Sox)

If a league is not listed in this post in full, its alignment remains unchanged (and in the case of Double-A Central, its affiliations too).

The four leagues that would essentially serve as farm leagues for the PCL - the Western AAA, High-A, and Low-A leagues, as well as the Arizona League - would all abandon division play in favor of a single table. In the three higher leagues, each team plays each of the others 20 times, and the top four teams in each league qualify for a Shaugnessy playoff.
 
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As I've said in the Nashville expansion thread, I feel if the four-league alignment is successful for MLB after 10 years from its proposed adoption in 2026, MLB could plan in 2036 to expand each league to 10 teams in 2040. Here's how the minors could look as a result:

Cities leaving the minors for the majors:
Buffalo
Charlotte
Hartford
Indianapolis
Las Vegas
Louisville
San Antonio

Triple-A Central:
East:
Fort Wayne (Indianapolis)
Memphis (Nashville)
Rockford (Chicago Sox)
St. Paul (Minnesota)

South:
New Orleans (Milwaukee)
Oklahoma City (Texas)
Round Rock (San Antonio)
Sugar Land (Houston)

West:
Iowa (Chicago Cubs)
Omaha (Kansas City)
Springfield (MO) (St. Louis)
Wichita (Louisville)

Triple-A East:
Great Lakes:
Columbus (Cleveland)
Dayton (Cincinnati)
Rochester (Buffalo)
Syracuse (NY Mets)
Toledo (Detroit)

Mid-Atlantic:
Bowie (Washington)
Lehigh Valley (Philadelphia)
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (Pittsburgh)
Somerset (NY Yankees)

Northeast:
Ottawa (Toronto)
Pawtucket (Hartford)
Quebec City (Montreal)
Worcester (Boston)

South:
Durham (Charlotte)
Gwinnett (Atlanta)
Jacksonville (Miami)
Norfolk (Baltimore)
Richmond (Tampa Bay)

Triple-A West:
Mountain:
Albuquerque (Colorado)
El Paso (San Diego)
Reno (Las Vegas)
Salt Lake (LA Angels)
Tucson (Arizona)

Pacific:
Hillsboro (Portland)
Rancho Cucamonga (LA Dodgers)
Sacramento (Oakland)
San Jose (San Francisco)
Tacoma (Seattle)

Double-A Northeast:
North:
Binghamton (NY Mets)
New Hampshire (Boston)
Portland (Montreal)
Springfield (MA) (Hartford)
Tri-City (NY Yankees)

South:
Akron (Cleveland)
Altoona (Pittsburgh)
Erie (Buffalo)
Harrisburg (Baltimore)
Reading (Philadelphia)

Double-A Southeast (formerly Double-A South):
North:
Bowling Green (KY) (Louisville)
Chattanooga (Nashville)
Lexington (KY) (Cincinnati)
Rome (Atlanta)
Tennessee (Toronto)

South:
Birmingham (Chicago Sox)
Montgomery (Washington)
Pensacola (Tampa Bay)
Rocket City (Indianapolis)
Tallahassee (Miami)

Double-A Southwest (formerly Double-A Central):
East:
Arkansas (Detroit)
Biloxi (Chicago Cubs)
Mississippi (Charlotte)
Northwest Arkansas (Milwaukee)
Tulsa (St. Louis)

West:
Amarillo (Houston)
Cleburne (Minnesota)
Corpus Christi (San Antonio)
Frisco (Texas)
Midland (Kansas City)

Double-A West (new league):
Mountain:
Boise (Oakland)
Flagstaff (Arizona)
Orem (LA Angels)
Rocky Mountain (Colorado Springs) (Colorado)
Santa Fe (Las Vegas)

Pacific:
Everett (Seattle)
Fresno (San Francisco)
Long Beach (LA Dodgers)
Oceanside (San Diego)
Salem-Keizer (Portland)

High-A Central:
East:
Ann Arbor (Detroit)
Athens (OH) (Cincinnati)
Great Lakes (San Antonio)
Lake County (Cleveland)
Lansing (Houston)
South Bend (Indianapolis)
West Michigan (Nashville)

West:
Beloit (Texas)
Cedar Rapids (Minnesota)
Columbia (MO) (St. Louis)
Peoria (Chicago Sox)
Quad Cities (Kansas City)
Springfield (IL) (Chicago Cubs)
Wisconsin (Milwaukee)

High-A Northeast:
North:
Brooklyn (NY Mets)
Hudson Valley (Louisville)
Jersey Shore (Philadelphia)
Long Island (Central Islip) (NY Yankees)

South:
Aberdeen (Baltimore)
Annapolis (Washington)
Dover (Pittsburgh)
Wilmington (Buffalo)

High-A Southeast:
North:
Asheville (Tampa Bay)
Greensboro (Montreal)
Hickory (Charlotte)
Winston-Salem (Toronto)

South:
Charleston (Hartford)
Columbia (Atlanta)
Greenville (Boston)
Myrtle Beach (Miami)

High-A West:
North:
Olympia (Seattle)
Spokane (Colorado)
Tri-City (LA Angels)
Vancouver (LA Dodgers)
Victoria (San Diego)

South:
Bend (Las Vegas)
Corvallis (Portland)
Eugene (San Francisco)
Medford (Arizona)
Springfield (OR) (Oakland)

Low-A East:
North:
Delmarva (Baltimore)
Fredericksburg (Washington)
Lynchburg (Louisville)
Petersburg (St. Louis)
Salem (Boston)

South:
Albany (GA) (Chicago Sox)
Augusta (Minnesota)
Columbus (GA) (Nashville)
Florence (Chicago Cubs)
Savannah (Indianapolis)
Spartanburg (Kansas City)

Tarheel (better name for this division than Central):
Carolina (Milwaukee)
Down East (Texas)
Fayetteville (Houston)
High Point (San Antonio)
Kannapolis (Charlotte)

Low-A Southeast:
East:
Daytona (Cincinnati)
Jupiter (Miami)
Lakeland (Detroit)
Melbourne (Hartford)
Palm Beach (Cleveland)
St. Augustine (Buffalo)
St. Lucie (NY Mets)

West:
Bradenton (Pittsburgh)
Clearwater (Philadelphia)
Dunedin (Toronto)
Fort Myers (Montreal)
North Port (Atlanta)
Port Charlotte (Tampa Bay)
Tampa (NY Yankees)

Low-A West:
North:
Merced (Colorado)
Modesto (Seattle)
Monterey (San Francisco)
Stockton (Oakland)
Visalia (Arizona)

South:
Imperial County (San Diego)
Inland Empire (Portland)
Lake Elsinore (Las Vegas)
Santa Ana (LA Angels)
Santa Barbara (LA Dodgers)

Rookie:
Arizona:
Lincoln (PCL Mountain):
Beavers (Portland)
Diamondbacks (Arizona)
Mariners (Seattle)
Martians (Las Vegas)
Rockies (Colorado)

O'Malley (PCL Pacific):
Angels (LA Angels)
Athletics (Oakland)
Dodgers (LA Dodgers)
Giants (San Francisco)
Padres (San Diego)

Gulf Coast:
Briggs (West Division ETZ teams):
Barons (Cleveland)
Reds (Cincinnati)
Sluggers (Louisville)
Speed (Indianapolis)
Tigers (Detroit)

Dreyfuss (NL East):
Colonials (Hartford)
Marlins (Miami)
Mets (NY Mets)
Phillies (Philadelphia)
Pirates (Pittsburgh)

Steinbrenner (AL East):
Monarchs (Charlotte)
Nationals (Washington)
Orioles (Baltimore)
Red Sox (Boston)
Yankees (NY Yankees)

Turner (CL East):
Bisons (Buffalo)
Blue Jays (Toronto)
Expos (Montreal)
Rays (Tampa Bay)
Thrashers (Atlanta)

Lone Star:
AmeriNat (AL/NL CTZ teams):
Brewers (Milwaukee)
Cardinals (St. Louis)
Cubs (Chicago Cubs)
Royals (Kansas City)
White Sox (Chicago Sox)

Continental (CL West):
Astros (Houston)
Missions (San Antonio)
Rangers (Texas)
Twins (Minnesota)
Volunteers (Nashville)
 
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If Buffalo ever gets an MLB team, I’d hope it’s the same franchise as the Bisons. Somehow when they were founded, they assumed the history of the NL Bisons from the 1800s. They are technically the only former MLB franchise still in existence.
 

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The 40-team MLB alignment would result in only one minor league team geographically out of place in the league it is in (or two depending on what you consider to be Eastern United States).

The team unquestionably out of place would be the Tulsa Drillers, who would now be the only Texas League team not actually located in Texas. But to be fair, Oklahoma is to the north of Texas.

Akron could be considered out of place by some in the Eastern League, as some people don't consider Ohio to be part of the Eastern United States. But, it is east of the Mississippi, and is the only Midwestern state entirely in the Eastern Time Zone.
 

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And creating the Cowboy League in AA (after MLB expansion to 40 teams) would give each minor league level a league that basically serves as a development league for the major league-level Pacific Coast League, with all of these leagues based in the Mountain and/or Pacific Time Zones.

The name Cowboy League comes from the fact that it is a Western-based league, and cowboys were a huge part of the Old West.
 

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Big Z,

Love the passion on your hypothetical 40-team baseball majors/minors.

The Brooklyn AAA Yankees affiliate thing is off the realm of possibility though because of how the territory rules work.

Yes, if a higher league comes into a territory, they can boot the lower-level team from the territory (after buying them out). For example, the Denver Zephyrs of the PCL, Triple A team. Denver got an MLB expansion team and the Zephyrs were sold to be moved to New Orleans. But it's not a contentious "This is MY territory, I'll fight you for it!" The Zephyrs owners simply realized they could no longer make money in AAA baseball in Denver if there's an MLB team in Denver; so they cashed out.

But the Yankees can't pull that move in Brooklyn, because the market already has a higher team than AAA in it: Themselves, AND THE METS. The Mets have veto power over any team moving into the area by being an MLB team.

In the late 1990s, Mets wanted to put a minor league team on Long Island and the Yankees said no.

The mayor of NYC wanted development in Staten Island and he went to George Steinbrenner because he thought a minor league stadium and Yankees farm team would be perfect. Steinbrenner wasn't thrilled with the idea, but since he wanted NYC to buy him a new Yankee Stadium, he went along with it. He was expecting the Mets veto Staten Island as retribution for the Yankees' Long Island veto, but he'd get a new Yankee Stadium, so he said sure. But the mayor knew how to win over the Mets owner, who grew up a Brooklyn Dodgers fan.

So he brokered the deal: The Staten Island Yankees, the Mets get the Brooklyn Cyclones, and each get new MLB stadiums. (Then 9/11 happened and paused the MLB stadium component for 8 years or so).
 

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I've already given up on Brooklyn having the Yankees AAA team, in favor of promoting the Somerset Patriots from the AA Eastern League to the IL.

The Patriots would be the IL's first team in New Jersey since 1961. That team, in Jersey City, moved to Jacksonville in 1962 and are now in Norfolk.
 

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I'm still adamant about the eventual creation of the Heartland League in AAA to house the PCL's current Central Time teams and the West Division teams of the IL. I mean, if they want to reduce travel in AAA, then this is a good way to do it.
 

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Minor league teams named after their current MLB parents but changing their parent teams would have to change their names to reflect:

Examples:
Oklahoma City Dodgers to Oklahoma City Oilers (Dodgers to Cardinals) (which I also want for the MLB team that would be established in OKC in the 48-team alignment)
Memphis Redbirds to Memphis Blues (Cardinals to Nashville Volunteers)
 

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Affiliations in the High-A level in the 40-team alignment would be mostly sorted by geography as well.

The Northwest League would continue to field the High-A affiliates of the PCL teams. The Carolina and Mid-Atlantic Leagues would mostly host the High-A affiliates of the MLB teams in the East Coast States and Central Canada, with one outlier - the Hudson Valley Renegades would hook up with Louisville after the Long Island Ducks move into the Mid-Atlantic League from the ALPB, and become the new High-A affiliate of the Yankees.

The Midwest League would house the High-A affiliates of the MLB teams in the Midwest, and the four Southern teams in the Continental League's West Division.
 

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I've also thought of the possibility of the Mid-Atlantic League and Carolina League merging to form the Colonial League (after the 40-team alignment is established), which is so named because all of its teams would be based in states that were originally British colonies.
 

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Along with expansions of each minor league level to 32, all classifications would institute neutral-site tournaments to determine overall class champions

The AAA, AA, Low-A and Rookie levels would each have three leagues. The champions of each league would be joined by the runner-up with the best record in these levels. The High-A level would have four league champions.

In each level, the 4 teams are seeded based on regular season record 1-4, and the two semifinal games are played as a doubleheader on the same day, with the winners advancing to national championship games (like what AAA has now, but with AAA now having three leagues, a new method of qualifying for the AAA championship had to be developed).

When the AA level adds the Cowboy League upon expansion of each level to 40 teams, its champion would replace the best runner-up in AA as the fourth team in that level's national playoffs.

Each league in each level would rotate as having one of their stadiums host the class championship.
 

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Meanwhile, here's what the ALPB could look like in 2021:

Northern Conference:
Empire Division:
Auburn
Batavia
Long Island
Staten Island
Tri-City

New England Division:
Lowell
Norwich
(Pawtucket?)
Vermont

Southern Conference:
Mid-Atlantic Division:
Lancaster
Hagerstown
Southern Maryland
West Virginia
York

Southeast Division:
Florida
Gastonia
High Point
(Port) Charlotte
 

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I love your passion and I play along with spreadsheets and ideas of my own.

For the 32 team, West Coast AAA, I would assume Fresno would be #1 option to move back up and with the realignment really dumbfounded why the Dodgers are sticking in Oklahoma & Tulsa (I know they own them). I would also consider Vancouver to be another AAA option as they were in the PCL forever until Oakland moved the affiliate to Sacramento, yet the team still gets the same attendance and one of the higher ones in MiLB.

For any NWL expansion, would assume the 2 cities that recently lost out would be 1st on the list: Boise & Salem-Keizer. Victoria could work but doubt Olympia would. Lots of cities with history in the footprint
 

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Meanwhile, here's what the ALPB could look like in 2021:

New England Division:
Lowell
Norwich
(Pawtucket?)
Vermont

Losing New Britain looks painful in hindsight. Might it be a good idea to take the US ex-CanAm League teams now in the Frontier League? Tri-City would fit in well in the New England Division, Rockland possibly as well.
 

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furthermore, I propose that the new minor league team in Pawtucket be owned by Hasbro, which is based in the city, and be called the Rhode Island Transformers, as an extension of the Transformers brand, with Optimus Prime as the team mascot
 

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Obviously, San Jose gaining the future AAA affiliate of the Giants would require a new stadium

If it does happen, the team should be called the Seals after the old PCL team in San Francisco that the Giants displaced in 1958
 

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