OT: MLB Discussion Thread: Part XXIII

[Machinehead]

Brewers racking up hits with two outs and RISP.

Opposite field, too.

Is that allowed?

 

[darko]

I wonder if Rendon might be available

Would love Rendon but doubt it. If Harper leaves Nats will build around Rendon with guys like Soto, Robles and Turner.

 

[darko]

I think Donaldson would be a good get.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I think Donaldson would be a good get.

He's already 32. A long term deal would be a mistake.

 

[darko]

He's already 32. A long term deal would be a mistake.

Don't think he'll get a big contract. I can see him getting a 3/60-70 type deal. Would take him for that in a heart beat.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Don't think he'll get a big contract. I can see him getting a 3/60-70 type deal. Would take him for that in a heart beat.

Wasn't he injury riddled this year? It would be our luck that this is beginning of his body breaking down.

 

[darko]

Wasn't he injury riddled this year? It would be our luck that this is beginning of his body breaking down.

Had calf issues.

 

[mrmovies779]

He's already 32. A long term deal would be a mistake.

32 and showing signs of breaking down.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

The longball/OBP method is a recipe for disaster. Because that method includes a lot of swing and miss and less gap to gap hitting.

How about firing Thames and giving someone else a go. #Joke

reading you and others complain about the hitting coach is getting a little tired so imma just defer you to this dude on reddit because he said it better than I ever could.

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what in the hell do people think a hitting coach does? lmao
2014 - Long
2015 - Pentland
2017-2016 Cockrell
2018 - Thames

The Yankees have had four different hitting coaches in the last five years, and here's where the teams ranked in BA with RISP by year in order (15th, 13th, 29th, 17th, 12th) and in wRC+ with RISP by year in order (23rd, 2nd, 30th, 6th, 6th). So what's the plan? Keep recycling through coaches based on a statistic that swings wildly from year to year?
Also, at some point.... seriously.... we need to recognize that hitters should get the blame/credit for 99% of what happens on the field. This bizarre notion that coaches have this drastic impact on player production is nuts. Thames isn't going to magically transform Giancarlo Stanton into someone who doesn't swing and miss a ton. He's not going to magically transform Ronald Torreyes into a 50-HR player.
All coaches can do is offer advice and guidance. In the end, it's on the players to listen to the advice and implement it. And it's ALWAYS on the players to execute in big spots.

He doesn’t equip them for those situations​

These dudes have been playing baseball since Little League. You seriously think they stand around drooling until the hitting coach comes over and whispers words of wisdom in their ears? You think this is the first season Giancarlo Stanton ever batted with runners on base? Most of these guys have been playing professional ball for more than a decade. You really think they need Thames to tell them, "Hey, maybe don't strike out here"? Or "try hitting the ball the other way to advance the runner."
Replacing our hitting coach again isn't going to magically fix things. Y'all be screaming for a 6th new hitting coach in seven years as soon as someone strikes out with the bases loaded in April.

 

[RGY]

Oh solid. Comparing hitting coaches over the last 5 seasons that saw drastically different rosters over that span. Thats a good thing to draw on.

But you know what can be drawn on? Guys like Greg Bird and Gary Sanchez regressing significantly in their production, ability and swing, driving balls gap to gap, and a number of other areas of hitting.

But why should i bother going in depth with you...weren’t you the same guy that made the asinine remark about a two strike meaning simply choking up? Yea think so, dude.

 

[Machinehead]

Last night the Brewers got into situations where all they needed were hits, and they consistently went opposite field.

Where does that come from if it isn't the coaching?

 

[RGY]

Last night the Brewers got into situations where all they needed were hits, and they consistently went opposite field.

Where does that come from if it isn't the coaching?

There is something to be said about the COACHING when every player in your lineup does the same thing over and over again in the same situations.

 

[Irishguy42]

Come on Brewers.

Don't like that jerk Machado go to the WS

 

[Irishguy42]

Hader is my dad

 

[darko]

Brewers going up there looking for home runs and continually swinging and missing. What a difference from last night. Coaching right?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dodgers are technically losing this game because they've scored all their runs via the HR.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Oh solid. Comparing hitting coaches over the last 5 seasons that saw drastically different rosters over that span. Thats a good thing to draw on.

But you know what can be drawn on? Guys like Greg Bird and Gary Sanchez regressing significantly in their production, ability and swing, driving balls gap to gap, and a number of other areas of hitting.

But why should i bother going in depth with you...weren’t you the same guy that made the asinine remark about a two strike meaning simply choking up? Yea think so, dude.

lol buddy... you said "shorten up" and I made a reference to choking up on the baseball bat. Choking up on the bat literally shortens your swing and that's why guys do it.

What the f*** are you going on about?

 

[RGY]

lol buddy... you said "shorten up" and I made a reference to choking up on the baseball bat. Choking up on the bat literally shortens your swing and that's why guys do it.

What the **** are you going on about?

“Buddy”, thats not what shortening up means when it comes to the essence of hitting. But it is pointless to get into this with you. You clearly have zero clue about hitting because you clearly dont have any level of knowledge or experience with it past say little league? Maybe high school backup? Not wasting time teaching you things you dont know. Which is why discussing the importance of a hitting coach and the way this teams hitting approach was this whole year as a problem will go nowhere. You reference reddit...you said it yourself, you couldnt have explained it better, or worse, because well you cant

 

[RGY]

Brewers going up there looking for home runs and continually swinging and missing. What a difference from last night. Coaching right?

Gimme a f***ing break darko. The Brewers have plenty of hitters in that lineup that can hit in different situations. They had one bad game with bad ABs. Yankees had the wrong hitting philosophy all season and it was their downfall

 

[Filthy Dangles]

“Buddy”, thats not what shortening up means when it comes to essence of hitting. But it is pointless to get into this with you. You clearly have zero clue about hitting because you clearly dont have any level of knowledge or experience with it past say little league? Maybe high school backup? Not wasting time teaching you things you dont know. Which is why discussing the importance of a hitting coach and the way this teams hitting approach was this whole year as a problem will go nowhere. You reference reddit...you said it yourself, you couldnt have explained it better, or worse, because well you cant

you're a garbage poster, confirmed. ignored...

 

[RGY]

you're a garbage poster, confirmed. ignored...

Well i mean i guess thats just a concession there based on that response. Didnt like reality. Oh well.

 

[darko]

“Buddy”, thats not what shortening up means when it comes to the essence of hitting. But it is pointless to get into this with you. You clearly have zero clue about hitting because you clearly dont have any level of knowledge or experience with it past say little league? Maybe high school backup? Not wasting time teaching you things you dont know. Which is why discussing the importance of a hitting coach and the way this teams hitting approach was this whole year as a problem will go nowhere. You reference reddit...you said it yourself, you couldnt have explained it better, or worse, because well you cant

Safe to say you played semi professional baseball? College ball maybe?

 

[RGY]

Safe to say you played semi professional baseball? College ball maybe?

Safe to say easily. But please go on and tell me more about how the yankees didnt/dont have issues with their hitting philosophy when 9 hitters consistently take the same approach every AB, in every situation, with every sing. Starts with the coach, its their job to step in and intervene and change the focus of priorities.

 

[darko]

Gimme a ****ing break darko. The Brewers have plenty of hitters in that lineup that can hit in different situations. They had one bad game with bad ABs. Yankees had the wrong hitting philosophy all season and it was their downfall

Dodgers won game 7 by hitting 2 big home runs. There is no right or wrong approach. A team that gets hot at the right time of the year tends to go on and win majority of the time. Plenty of teams have bashed their way through the postseason. Daniel Murphy went on a HR spree and took the Mets to WS.

Yankees downfall isn't their lineup. It's the lack of pitching. Starting pitching.

 

[RGY]

Dodgers won game 7 by hitting 2 big home runs. There is no right or wrong approach. A team that gets hot at the right time of the year tends to go on and win majority of the time. Plenty of teams have bashed their way through the postseason. Daniel Murphy went on a HR spree and took the Mets to WS.

Yankees downfall isn't their lineup. It's the lack of pitching. Starting pitching.

I dont disagree, there Starting Pitching is the problem.

Pitching wins. But after pitching there is hitting. And you cannot tell me, the Yankees wouldnt have won that series if they had a more reserved approach focused on hitting gap to gap. They wouldve won Games 1 and 4. Just look at the swings taken in that final 9th inning.

The Dodgers may have won the game with Homeruns but their playes also cut down on their swings in their ABs. They dont swing for the homerun ball with every swing. They have a lot of power in that lineup but they can still be effective in other ways. I just dont see that with the way the guys in the Yankees lineup handle their ABs, pitch to pitch.