Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[mapleleaf979]

Marner still has to go in the same way Tavares has to go, neither are worth 11 million.

 

[arso40]

If he can play even with the top line of the Bruins, we should take it.

Now the question is where does Matthews play if they want production from a 2nd. line?

Now that's the real question

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Marner wont even get 9 mil on the open market.

 

[Kiwi]

I don't understand the mentality in here

Marner isn't getting a lot of points because our PP completely blows and he's doing a shutdown job besides JT

What he's doing is helping the team win, he's helping us keep Bostons best offensive players quiet, it hampers his ability to score but were winning a lot of very low scoring games because of contributions like his

Honest it's Making me like him more
Not many guys are either capable or willing to put team success before personal success but he's doing it right before our eyes

 

[ToneDog]

Bourne on Marner on Leafs post game show - "they are paying Kerfoot 11 million".

Game 6 marner 0 points Willie 2 goals. Let's see who steps up in game 7.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I don't understand the mentality in here

Marner isn't getting a lot of points because our PP completely blows and he's doing a shutdown job besides JT

What he's doing is helping the team win, he's helping us keep Bostons best offensive players quiet, it hampers his ability to score but were winning a lot of very low scoring games because of contributions like his

Honest it's Making me like him more
Not many guys are either capable or willing to put team success before personal success but he's doing it right before our eyes

I can't speak for the others but I will share my point of view.

It's easy to criticize when the team loses and much harder to do it when winning. The guys who deserve praise (i.e. Woll, Knies) should get it but those who don't shouldn't be getting lumped in with the rest. Of course, a lot of things get masked over and everyone looks a million bucks when the team wins.

I was praising Marner for his work in game 5 where he showed he can play well against the same team. In fact, this makes him reverting back to his bad habits even more frustrating.

To start with the issues, Marner is a part of the reason the PP blows. Rielly is the biggest offender but Marner is next up with Tavares.

Marner was good in game 5 (especially 1st period) but in game 6 went back to his bad habits again. A few good plays but also some terrible ones. We can accept he has helped stop their best offensive players but he's also been completely shut down by a Bruins forward group that doesn't have Bergeron or Krejci.

Marner is not a defensive winger. He's paid to get points, generate offense, and yes do good defensive work alongside the playmaking. Right now with Matthews out, he's supposed to be the #1 guy on the ice. Someone posted the numbers before game 6 where Kampf was doing a better defensive job against the top line in the minutes he played against them compared to Marner, so he's not even the best at that aspect right now.

Kampf gets paid less than $3M. Marner gets paid $11M. They should not be doing the same thing.

Marner is supposed to be playing like a superstar out there not as a defensive specialist.

 

[Dave92]

This is a big redemption opportunity for Marner.

 

[Kiwi]

I can't speak for the others but I will share my point of view.

It's easy to criticize when the team loses and much harder to do it when winning. The guys who deserve praise (i.e. Woll, Knies) should get it but those who don't shouldn't be getting lumped in with the rest. Of course, a lot of things get masked over and everyone looks a million bucks when the team wins.

I was praising Marner for his work in game 5 where he showed he can play well against the same team. In fact, this makes him reverting back to his bad habits even more frustrating.

To start with the issues, Marner is a part of the reason the PP blows. Rielly is the biggest offender but Marner is next up with Tavares.

Marner was good in game 5 (especially 1st period) but in game 6 went back to his bad habits again. A few good plays but also some terrible ones. We can accept he has helped stop their best offensive players but he's also been completely shut down by a Bruins forward group that doesn't have Bergeron or Krejci.

Marner is not a defensive winger. He's paid to get points, generate offense, and yes do good defensive work alongside the playmaking. Right now with Matthews out, he's supposed to be the #1 guy on the ice. Someone posted the numbers before game 6 where Kampf was doing a better defensive job against the top line in the minutes he played against them compared to Marner, so he's not even the best at that aspect right now.

Kampf gets paid less than $3M. Marner gets paid $11M. They should not be doing the same thing.

Marner is supposed to be playing like a superstar out there not as a defensive specialist.

He's paid to win games

Currently he's being used as a shutdown match up winger because he's one of the few players we have who can do that job successfully, most of our guys get eaten alive when there asked to defend guys like Pasta and Marchand

Marner can actually do that job, it's a job that helps the team win because it stops the other team scoring, you don't have to put up loads of points to help the team win, defense has value and if we were stupid enough to try doing this with Kampf we'd be giving up 4 goals a game not 1

There's 5 guys on the PP, it blows blaming one guy for that seems aggressive

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

With the space Domi and Bertuzzi create with their unlimited energy, the points bound to come. Hopeful game 7 is the big breakout points for that line and marner.

 

[ZEBROA]

Next game it will be Marners time to score, When Bruins will focus on Nylander.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

He's paid to win games

Currently he's being used as a shutdown match up winger because he's one of the few players we have who can do that job successfully, most of our guys get eaten alive when there asked to defend guys like Pasta and Marchand

Marner can actually do that job, it's a job that helps the team win because it stops the other team scoring, you don't have to put up loads of points to help the team win, defense has value and if we were stupid enough to try doing this with Kampf we'd be giving up 4 goals a game not 1

There's 5 guys on the PP, it blows blaming one guy for that seems aggressive

Don't you think that makes him lose worse? If he's paid to win, they've won one series in 7 years with him in the lineup and already lost three games in this series.

Plus who is shutting down whom? if I turn this around Marner is getting shut down by Pastrnak and Zacha. Two guys with below-par even-strength defensive metrics. In comparison, Mark Stone is a premier shutdown match-up winger and still dropped 24 points in 22 games during their cup run. Marner is playing at a 41-point pace right now.

Marner should not be held to a lower standard. Is it because everyone has given up on him performing offensively? There's no one on the planet that gets paid $11M to be a specialist shutdown winger.

I won't say I'm blaming one guy for the PP. I blamed three and he's one of them. Lost board battles, bad decision-making, and terrible zone entries. He's been a big part of that PP's mediocrity. For example, there's no justifiable way to say Marner is dominating on the PP and the other four are ruining it for him.

I understand wins matter but I also believe it's easy to be a critic when a team loses. Anyone can do that out of sheer emotion. But if we sit back and look at Marner, he's not good enough right now. Can that change in game 7? I hope so and feel it's quite possible after his game 5 performance.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

When the majority of the players were simplifying their game, he's complicating it.

He's clearly in his head...again.

I wish him the best, but he still looks like a 3rd liner out there. Weak Link of his line.

 

[darrylsittler27]

It's all good news. Cowan just won OHL mvp and will be ready when another GM overpays Mitchy to make the playoffs i.e Detroit. You want the truth? We don't need him nor can we afford him. When Tor signed Will they made their choice. The money is needed elsewhere and Cowan will bring more come playoffs while costing a fraction.

 

[BraveCanadian]

He was invisible today

Only if you weren’t paying attention to how he was playing defensively.

They seem to be hard matching his line against Pasta a lot and he was being conservative offensively pretty often.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I thought Marner was pretty good last night. Not game dominating super crazy elite 11 million dollar man good, but pretty good. We also won back to back two of the best defensive games we've ever played so I'm just enjoying the moment, plenty of time to complain about individual players later.

 

[ACC1224]

Only if you weren’t paying attention to how he was playing defensively.

They seem to be hard matching his line against Pasta a lot and he was being conservative offensively pretty often.

Excelling with his linemates in the role they've been given.
Team sports aren't for everyone. This time of year all that matters is team success.

 

[Kazparov]

He's everything we've every wanted in a LW.

Physical. Able to grind. High energy. Lots of skill also.

He's just made for the playoff game.

Copypasta from the Knies thread.

Marner played decent but his style of play just not suited for the playoffs UNLESS Mitch was engineering the PP to success

 

[BraveCanadian]

Excelling with his linemates in the role they've been given.
Team sports aren't for everyone. This time of year all that matters is team success.

As a guy with a double digit contract, Marner still needs to produce too for sure, but the idea he was just doing nothing out there last night is unfair too.

The big thing they need to do is shake up that PP and get some points there because 5v5 points are hard to come by these playoffs.

 

[Gary Nylund]

As a guy with a double digit contract, Marner still needs to produce too for sure, but the idea he was just doing nothing out there last night is unfair too.

The big thing they need to do is shake up that PP and get some points there because 5v5 points are hard to come by these playoffs.

100% this. We're playing well and winning, that's 1000 times more interesting than whatever Marner or anyone else is doing. And that PP is absolutely the one HUGE problem with this team, winning games scoring 2 goals a night is not a sustainable winning formula, simple as that.

 

[ACC1224]

As a guy with a double digit contract, Marner still needs to produce too for sure, but the idea he was just doing nothing out there last night is unfair too.

The big thing they need to do is shake up that PP and get some points there because 5v5 points are hard to come by these playoffs.

For sure but there wasn't a lot of room for anything in that game for both teams last night.
The first goal by Nylander was a fantastic play but also a lucky bounce. Marner has done the exact same play a number of times without the lucky bounce, it happens.

PP is just brutal, no defense for that and it looks like the Coaches have no answer. They should just roll their 5 on 5 lines instead of attempting whatever that PP is trying.

 

[janesy12]

For sure but there wasn't a lot of room for anything in that game for both teams last night.
The first goal by Nylander was a fantastic play but also a lucky bounce. Marner has done the exact same play a number of times without the lucky bounce, it happens.

PP is just brutal, no defense for that and it looks like the Coaches have no answer. They should just roll their 5 on 5 lines instead of attempting whatever that PP is trying.

Why not try the one timer from the point. McCabe has a good shot, as does Robertson.
Gotta be better than the weak floaters they throw on the net for 1 shot per PP.

 

[ACC1224]

Why not try the one timer from the point. McCabe has a good shot, as does Robertson.
Gotta be better than the weak floaters they throw on the net for 1 shot per PP.

They barely gain the zone, never mind set up one timers. Really bizarre how bad the PP has become, shame it seems predictable.

Thankfully the PK has gotten better. If they keep the special teams even, they have a great shot to win.

 

[ToneDog]

Copypasta from the Knies thread.

Marner played decent but his style of play just not suited for the playoffs UNLESS Mitch was engineering the PP to success

He's looking for space in the O zone and seems to only find it skating north. At the right price point, would love to keep him, but at the number he will demand, gotta cut bait.

 

[Kazparov]

What do you guys think is the difference between Marner and other slighter built players.

Lots of smaller guys like Kane, St Louis, Kuch etc had playoff success and didn't play a physical game?

 

[GoonieFace]

Marner has not been good, plain and simple. Making the excuse that he is playing good defensively is comical.

Knies has been better on the D end and has contributed offensively as well. You can do both, and at $11 mil, it seems reasonable to expect that.

Here’s hoping he scores a big one on Saturday, he needs it