Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Stephen]

Futures + a bad contract seems like the most likely trade if one were to materialize.

No bad contracts. Willing to take less futures. Spend like drunken sailors in the aftermath and have prospect and pick flexibility. That’s my game plan anyway.

 

[IPS]

That's what I would do too.

However, I don't think Treliving is that smart / forward thinking, and will likely try and push for more "win-now" pieces out of a notion that they can't waste another year of Matthews & Nylander's primes.

I dunno man, the narrative around the core 4's not gonna be good if we lose tonight. You can only push a fanbase so far.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I keep hearing about Paul Marner. I hope the Leafs management aren't afraid of this guy. He's not a mafioso. He's a Timmy's-double-double, ushanka-hat wearing dork. It's time to get tough with the Marners and make the right decision.

If the Leafs actually care about any of our player's parents' opinions this team is totally screwed regardless.

EDIT: if your username is referring to the song by that title, it's awesome.

 

[Confucius]

That's fair.

They peddled Nylander hard last summer for a top Dman, and nobody bit.

I would expect the same price for Marner should he hit the market this summer, and I would also expect the same results.

Wonder if they try and go after a center

If nobody offered a top Dman for William at 7.5 nobody will offer a top dman for Marner at 10.8

 

[Stephen]

That's what I would do too.

However, I don't think Treliving is that smart / forward thinking, and will likely try and push for more "win-now" pieces out of a notion that they can't waste another year of Matthews & Nylander's primes.

Treliving’s Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar seems to negatively impact his reputation but he did a pretty good job buying Dougie Hamilton for a 1st, packaging Hamilton (misfit) and Fox for Lindholm and Hanifin in a sequence that preserved trade value for Calgary across a number of moves.

Signings like Kadri, Markstrom and Tanev are the types of players we need. So at least the flavour is right.

No idea how much credit he or any GM should get for drafting. So far Cowan seems like a nice and tidy pick.

 

[Stephen]

I dunno man, the narrative around the core 4's not gonna be good if we lose tonight. You can only push a fanbase so far.

It’s like we have 3x simultaneous Vince Carter situations going on.

 

[djdev]

marner is one of the few players i think could drag alot of middling smaller market teams into the playoffs, which is extremely valuable revenue wise. for that reason alone i believe there will be alot of offers for him.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

If nobody offered a top Dman for William at 7.5 nobody will offer a top dman for Marner at 10.8

Yup. Teams don't trade top-pair D for wingers, especially not those with Marner's salary history and demands.

marner is one of the few players i think could drag alot of middling smaller market teams into the playoffs, which is extremely valuable revenue wise. for that reason alone i believe there will be alot of offers for him.

I agree. There's a lot of middleware teams he can help.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Yeah people are making up all kinds of stuff and then it gets treated as fact.

Like for example a lingering Marner injury?

 

[Confucius]

I agree. There's a lot of middleware teams he can help.

We had 1 more regulation win than Washington, which got the final playoff spot. We are on a slippery slope ourselves. I think Marner helped us get 2 regulation wins.

 

[Tak7]

I dunno man, the narrative around the core 4's not gonna be good if we lose tonight. You can only push a fanbase so far.

I was in the building Saturday - to me there's no question they've already pushed the fanbase beyond their breaking point. The relationship between fans & this core is so fractured that it's beyond repair imo.

There's so much deep seeded and genuine hate for some of these players. Even if it feels excessive at times, I fully and completely understand it.

 

[djdev]

We had 1 more regulation win than Washington, which got the final playoff spot. We are on a slippery slope ourselves. I think Marner helped us get 2 regulation wins.

i think you are letting your dislike for the player cloud your judgment here, marner in the regular season is a top 10 player in the league impact wise and absolutely can win you games on his own as hes done for us more times i can count. i want him tradad as i think hes not a good fit here pressure wise, but doesnt change how good he is as a player.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

No bad contracts. Willing to take less futures. Spend like drunken sailors in the aftermath and have prospect and pick flexibility. That’s my game plan anyway.

I'm interested in your game plan. You wouldn't take on a Granlund contract where it's 1 year left of a bad deal to secure a great draft pick?

 

[Racer88]

Friendly edit.

lol I was trying to be polite

 

[TheGreenTBer]

We had 1 more regulation win than Washington, which got the final playoff spot. We are on a slippery slope ourselves. I think Marner helped us get 2 regulation wins.

For that salary I expect more out of him. I think that's fair.

I was in the building Saturday - to me there's no question they've already pushed the fanbase beyond their breaking point. The relationship between fans & this core is so fractured that it's beyond repair imo.

There's so much deep seeded and genuine hate for some of these players. Even if it feels excessive at times, I fully and completely understand it.

No matter how many games this series goes there should be major changes.

In the miraculous scenario that this team somehow finds a way to win three straight playoff games against the Boston Bruins (lmao) they earn a total and undoubted, unquestioned, curb-stomping from the Florida Panthers.

This core isn't likable unless you're young enough to not be paying attention. They're just not. I love this jersey but I don't like this core in the slightest.

i think you are letting your dislike for the player cloud your judgment here, marner in the regular season is a top 10 player in the league impact wise and absolutely can win you games on his own as hes done for us more times i can count. i want him tradad as i think hes not a good fit here pressure wise, but doesnt change how good he is as a player.

If he's only a game breaker in the regular season then he's not a game breaker.

 

[Racer88]

Either way I certainly wouldn’t negotiate with him this off season. I would wait until his free agency and take the chance. If he walks, so be it

 

[djdev]

For that salary I expect more out of him. I think that's fair.

No matter how many games this series goes there should be major changes.

In the miraculous scenario that this team somehow finds a way to win three straight playoff games against the Boston Bruins (lmao) they earn a total and undoubted, unquestioned, curb-stomping from the Florida Panthers.

This core isn't likable unless you're young enough to not be paying attention. They're just not. I love this jersey but I don't like this core in the slightest.

If he's only a game breaker in the regular season then he's not a game breaker.

i think that super valuable to alot of teams though. post season revenue(even if its 3 games) can make or break a small market teams year imo. and i dont think we have seen the best of marner in the post season yet, but this being his hometown and biggest market in the league i just dont think he can handle it here.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

i think that super valuable to alot of teams though. post season revenue can make or break a small market teams year imo. and i dont think we have seen the best of marner in the post season yet, but this being his hometown and biggest market in the league i just dont think he can handle it here.

I agree with all of this.

 

[ACC1224]

I was in the building Saturday - to me there's no question they've already pushed the fanbase beyond their breaking point. The relationship between fans & this core is so fractured that it's beyond repair imo.

There's so much deep seeded and genuine hate for some of these players. Even if it feels excessive at times, I fully and completely understand it.

Many have said how Marner will waive to get away from all the hate, what about the rest of the core that's staying?
As much as Marner gets crapped on, none of the others have shown up(game 2 aside).

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Yep yep. Since the Montreal series meltdown I’ve really hated that park the bus vs in zone cycling, progressing to bad body positioning and tight around the net sequence. Seems like their o-zone spacing is completely broken but I don’t have the coaching wherewithal to untangle the mess. They never have guys who are clear and ready for a clean look or a guy who can distribute the puck clean to somewhere else, whether that’s to the opposite point, or a half wall operator who can set up down low or back to the point.

Are we the mouse that keeps running into a trap? How is it possible to be this bad at spacing and keeping away from defenders? I watch other teams and think about how much space they seem to be operating with and then I recall how we constantly regroup and bleed our speed out going east-west while allowing the opponent time to set their trap for us. And we just waltz right into it. Madness.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Many have said how Marner will waive to get away from all the hate, what about the rest of the core that's staying?
As much as Marner gets crapped on, none of the others have shown up(game 2 aside).

I wouldn't be opposed to putting Rielly on the table honestly. A number #1D that doesn't PK and could probably be outperformed by a forward on the PP at 7.5M for 8 years is something.

 

[Tak7]

I wouldn't be opposed to putting Rielly on the table honestly. A number #1D that doesn't PK and could probably be outperformed by a forward on the PP at 7.5M for 8 years is something.

It's insane to me that you've (presumably) watched this series, seen how AWFUL that blueline is at transitioning the puck up the ice, and conclude that moving Rielly would be beneficial.

I'm on the opposite end of this spectrum - Mo and Matthews are the 2 untouchables; everyone else is fair game.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

It's insane to me that you've (presumably) watched this series, seen how AWFUL that blueline is at transitioning the puck up the ice, and conclude that moving Rielly would be beneficial.

I'm on the opposite end of this spectrum - Mo and Matthews are the 2 untouchables; everyone else is fair game.

I didn't say removing Rielly would improve our transition game. I would consider many changes to this team for the bigger picture. I love the guy but wouldn't say he had a good series.

 

[Tak7]

I didn't say removing Rielly would improve our transition game. I would consider many changes to this team for the bigger picture. I love the guy but wouldn't say he had a good series.

Agreed.

But I'm looking big picture, too - not 4-5 games in April. They already lack much of what he offers. Moving off of him, at a very fair cap hit, hurts long term.

 

[Gallagbi]

Many have said how Marner will waive to get away from all the hate, what about the rest of the core that's staying?
As much as Marner gets crapped on, none of the others have shown up(game 2 aside).

I don't think they've shown the frustration to the fanbase like Marner has.

Most consider
-Matthews our franchise player
-Willy a playoff performer
-JT on the heavy decline
-Marner the disappointment

Stack on the letter to the fans, crying in the box, the current ridicule and pending negotiations and it feels like he's odd man out