Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[ORRFForever]

why not ship him to tampa for stamkos?

Too old.

If you are going to shop Marner, shop him to Dallas - they have a TON of young offensive stars (no pun intended) they may be willing to move because they have no place to put them. Get 2 of the 3 young kids (Wyatt Johnston, Logan Stankoven and Mavrik Bourque) in return for Marner.

I doubt they move Wyatt Johnston but Logan Stankoven and Mavrik Bourque might be available.

These 2 kids will be dirt cheap for the next couple years and Toronto can buy a goalie and some defense with the Cap space - especially when JT's contract ends.

To make the trade, Marner would need to be locked up and Toronto may have to eat some of his salary.

 

[Dave92]

Make him fight Domi for a spot on the 1st line.

 

[ORRFForever]

Only way we're getting rid of Marner is by letting him walk next summer. I doubt he'll play ball with the leafs this summer to allow a deal somewhere else.

Why did they give him a NMC when they were going to overpay him?

 

[Dirty Dan]

I would love to see Mitch traded this summer, but I don't see it happening due to his large cap hit and the NMC he possesses. Most likely scenario is the Leafs extend him fairly early into next season retaining the asset and see if they can make something happen after Tavares 11M comes off the books.

I really think they need to pick up a goaltender if they ever want to take the next step. Out of all the series the Leafs have been in I don't think they've had the goaltending advantage in any series outside of perhaps the play-in series VS Columbus.

Korpisalo was unreal against Troonto

 

[Peasy]

Are people still expecting him to just flip a switch and dominate or something lol? He's always gotten worse as the series go on. I really hope this is the last playoffs I see him in a leafs jersey. Get an actual goalie with this 11m.

 

[thewave]

Are people still expecting him to just flip a switch and dominate or something lol? He's always gotten worse as the series go on. I really hope this is the last playoffs I see him in a leafs jersey. Get an actual goalie with this 11m.

Yes

He is paid to flip a switch and dominate..when you're a top 12 paid NHL player i really hope you can breakthrough and takeover a game sometimes.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Yes

He is paid to flip a switch and dominate..when you're a top 12 paid NHL player i really hope you can breakthrough and takeover a game sometimes.

Yeah even if he pops off and dominates a game that's still far under expectations. He needs to be tilting Boston the full series at that salary. I wouldn't say that he's even carrying his linemates nevermind carrying our team

I'm so tired of seeing it

 

[Gary Nylund]

I was so happy for him and all of Leaf Nation when he finally got on the board last night. The happiness didn't last long though, oh well.

Really disappointing loss last night. The only positive is that it seems we get a day or two off from hearing about how Marner is (OK was) a 1st team all-star, the smartest player in hockey history, one of the greatest Leafs of all-time, statues will be built in his honor and if you can't appreciate how good he is than you don't understand hockey. But whatever, it will be November soon enough and then his fanboys will start posting those things once again. Ain't November grand?

I thought I read here yesterday that Marner was the straw that stirs the drink, especially on the PP. Is that drink going to be ready for consumption any time soon I wonder? So far it seems like the best scoring chance on any one of our PP's is just as likely to go to Boston, embarrassing stuff!

Sigh.

 

[Stringer Bell]

Tavares sucks but you know he is what he is at this point. Slow, physically limited, on the last two years of his deal at 34 playing in a much faster environment than the regular season. He sucks. And it sucks! But there is nothing surprising about it and you still don’t doubt his effort or his willingness to play along the boards and in the battle.

Marner is 7 years younger and wants a big raise and looks like a scared little boy. There is no contest who is the bigger disappointment.

 

[Tak7]

He had 3 or 4 shifts around the Knies goal where it finally looked like he was feeling it again - like pond hockey Mitch was back.

And then it disappeared on him again - so much died on his stick, which is so disappointing for someone of his undoubted quality. Hopefully he's playing himself out of it. At least there were signs of life yesterday

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Too old.

If you are going to shop Marner, shop him to Dallas - they have a TON of young offensive stars (no pun intended) they may be willing to move because they have no place to put them. Get 2 of the 3 young kids (Wyatt Johnston, Logan Stankoven and Mavrik Bourque) in return for Marner.

I doubt they move Wyatt Johnston but Logan Stankoven and Mavrik Bourque might be available.

These 2 kids will be dirt cheap for the next couple years and Toronto can buy a goalie and some defense with the Cap space - especially when JT's contract ends.

To make the trade, Marner would need to be locked up and Toronto may have to eat some of his salary.

Love the idea of trading with Dallas. Mind you, Marner can still turn things around, but if he doesn't, Dallas makes a lot of sense, especially if they lose in 4. I'd imagine Dallas would be a little more trigger-happy in that situation.

I'd 100% go after Stankoven. You'd maybe get a cheap Marner-lite with him. Bourque would be good too. There's so many others on that team that could be part of a deal too. Maybe even a retained Jamie Benn. He had 78 points just last season.

 

[leafs in five]

Really disappointing loss last night. The only positive is that it seems we get a day or two off from hearing about how Marner is (OK was) a 1st team all-star, the smartest player in hockey history, one of the greatest Leafs of all-time, statues will be built in his honor and if you can't appreciate how good he is than you don't understand hockey. But whatever, it will be November soon enough and then his fanboys will start posting those things once again. Ain't November grand?

this honestly feel delirious, people like you and Arzak must outnumber the fanboys by like 10-1 at this point

anyway I thought he played alright 5-on-5, and if we're looking at xG% which in game 2 proved correct everything the haters have been saying for years, then the numbers back it up? wish he would have buried that chance off the deflected knies feed in front, the only positive about him not burying it is that it seems we get a day or two off from hearing about how Marner is (OK was) a 1st team all-star, the smartest player in hockey history, one of the greatest Leafs of all-time, statues will be built in his honor and if you can't appreciate how good he is than you don't understand hockey. But whatever,

 

[ToneDog]

A year on his contract, he's not going to a rebuilding team, and especially since he has to agree to the trade. He'll go to a strong contender if anything.

IMO he'll go where they pay him the most and no contender is paying him a ridiculous number. Somebody making a ridiculous number has to lead the team in the playoffs. Marner is not it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

this honestly feel delirious, people like you and Arzak must outnumber the fanboys by like 10-1 at this point

anyway I thought he played alright 5-on-5, and if we're looking at xG% which in game 2 proved correct everything the haters have been saying for years, then the numbers back it up? wish he would have buried that chance off the deflected knies feed in front, the only positive about him not burying it is that it seems we get a day or two off from hearing about how Marner is (OK was) a 1st team all-star, the smartest player in hockey history, one of the greatest Leafs of all-time, statues will be built in his honor and if you can't appreciate how good he is than you don't understand hockey. But whatever,

You guys are hilarious with this "hater" nonsense. If begin objective makes me a hater in our eyes, there's something wrong with you my friend.

Perhaps you missed the posts over the last couple of days where I was explaining that contrary to what many people had said, Marner was absolutely not to blame for Pasta's goal in game 2 and I went out of my way to praise his high hockey IQ on that play. Do tell, if I'm "delirious" and "a hater", why would I go out of my way to defend, and even praise Marner when he deserves it?

Thank goodness people trying to be objective outnumber you fanboys, this place is borderline unbearable at times as it is. Sheesh.

 

[ToneDog]

Yes

He is paid to flip a switch and dominate..when you're a top 12 paid NHL player i really hope you can breakthrough and takeover a game sometimes.

0.44 PPG in 18 playoff games 5-7. At what point is it a large enough sample size to tell you, he is what he is ?

 

[Gary Nylund]

IMO he'll go where they pay him the most and no contender is paying him a ridiculous number. Somebody making a ridiculous number has to lead the team in the playoffs. Marner is not it.

I said it after the MTL series, we could get a kings ransom for him from a team that isn't a contender and has trouble selling tickets. He's a massive talent, he's entertaining to watch so he sells tickets and if you have no shot at the cup then you don't care that you can't count on him in the playoffs.

A team like that will also have cap space to burn, and if they feel like Marner can sell enough tickets for them, they won't mind paying him a ton and if he can sell enough tickets, he'll be worth it too. The Leafs have no problem selling tickets so he provides zero value in that sense and we are trying to win the cup (or at least I thought we were) which is why I was saying that he'd be worth more to someone else.

 

[leafs in five]

You guys are hilarious with this "hater" nonsense. If begin objective makes me a hater in our eyes, there's something wrong with you my friend.

Perhaps you missed the posts over the last couple of days where I was explaining that contrary to what many people had said, Marner was absolutely not to blame for Pasta's goal in game 2 and I went out of my way to praise his high hockey IQ on that play. Do tell, if I'm "delirious" and "a hater", why would I go out of my way to defend, and even praise Marner when he deserves it?

Thank goodness people trying to be objective outnumber you fanboys, this place is borderline unbearable at time as it is. Sheesh.

objective is imagining the wrongheaded praise that would have been posted about Marner if the Leafs had won last night, posting a few examples of what it would have said, relieved that it didn't come to pass

 

[Gallagbi]

IMO he'll go where they pay him the most and no contender is paying him a ridiculous number. Somebody making a ridiculous number has to lead the team in the playoffs. Marner is not it.

He seems destined for a fringe playoff team hoping to elevate if he leaves.

Calgary, Pitts, STL,

 

[Gary Nylund]

objective is imagining the wrongheaded praise that would have been posted about Marner if the Leafs had won last night, posting a few examples of what it would have said, relieved that it didn't come to pass

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. It's not like we don't see this happen every time he has a good game during the regular season so if it happened in the playoffs, all you fanboys would just sit on your hands and take a day off. To use your own words - this seems delirious.

And BTW, I'm still waiting to hear you explain how defending Marner and praising his high hockey IQ makes me a hater. Come on now, I'm so looking forward to what your creative mind can come up with. I'm not feeling too happy after last nights debacle so I could really use a good belly laugh right about now, don't let me down.

He seems destined for a fringe playoff team hoping to elevate if he leaves.

Calgary, Pitts, STL,

Pitts, wow, just the thought of that makes me want to move there and buy ring side tickets to see the circus.

 

[Jojalu]

I don't even understand what he is trying to do right now.

That little circle back after he gains the zone, where he coughs up the puck is getting frustrating.

How has he not realised Bos senss two guys to him as soon as he gains entry?

Still time to take over the series. Perhaps this year it's reverse Marner.

Nothing games 1-4. Dominate 5-7.

 

[leafs in five]

And BTW, I'm still waiting to hear you explain how defending Marner and praising his high hockey IQ makes me a hater. Come on now, I'm so looking forward to what your creative mind can come up with. I'm not feeling too happy after last nights debacle so I could really use a good belly laugh right about now, don't let me down.

I don't think saying game 2 affirmed "everything the haters have been saying for years" is calling you a hater and I don't think that it's inaccurate to state that many people here and on twitter and in sports media and just at home watching on TV hate the guy. and when he's bad like that you can see why he enrages people so.

but if you're so offended by labels then maybe stop saying fanboys all the time? or don't, up to you!

 

[DueDiligence]

Tavares sucks but you know he is what he is at this point. Slow, physically limited, on the last two years of his deal at 34 playing in a much faster environment than the regular season. He sucks. And it sucks! But there is nothing surprising about it and you still don’t doubt his effort or his willingness to play along the boards and in the battle.

Marner is 7 years younger and wants a big raise and looks like a scared little boy. There is no contest who is the bigger disappointment.

The Leaf's problem is that they have 2 $11 million dollar disappointments in Marner and Tavares. Hard to win in the playoffs with guys that are paid to be game changers but aren't.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

people like you and Arzak must outnumber the fanboys by like 10-1 at this point

I wonder if all the losing has anything to do with that fact.

 

[leafs in five]

I wonder if all the losing has anything to do with that fact.

probably, and so it's hard to imagine that there would have been 20 pages of praise for Marner in here if the Leafs had won last night

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't think saying game 2 affirmed "everything the haters have been saying for years" is calling you a hater and I don't think that it's inaccurate to state that many people here and on twitter and in sports media and just at home watching on TV hate the guy. and when he's bad like that you can see why he enrages people so.

but if you're so offended by labels then maybe stop saying fanboys all the time? or don't, up to you!

You can claim you're not calling me a hater if you like but you're not fooling me one bit. It's not like I've forgotten everything you've ever posted on the subject and all I've ever tried to do is be objective.

I'm not a fan of the term fanboy and I'm pretty sure I've never used before but after begin called a hater for no reason literally hundreds of times, I eventually sank to your level. As soon as y'all stop using the term hater, I'll stop using the term fanboy, up to you.

As far as "everything the haters have been saying for years", I wasn't going to say anything because I'm not the grammar police and since it was difficult to understand what you're even trying to say here I decided to just ignore it. But if you want to clarify, you go right ahead. I haven't seen any xG% numbers for starters. I also don't put much stock into those numbers as IMO sometimes they reflect reality, and sometimes they don't. And what numbers back what up? Again, I'm not the grammar police but if you look at this "sentence" objectively, you will perhaps understand that I can only guess what you're trying to say here.

anyway I thought he played alright 5-on-5, and if we're looking at xG% which in game 2 proved correct everything the haters have been saying for years, then the numbers back it up?

For the record, I thought Marner played alright 5-on-5 as well, just alright. He looked really good at times, but then there were other times where he looked like he was trying to be too fancy/cute and as many people have said, I think he really needs to simplify his game because these cute plays he likes to make have a much lower success rate in the playoffs then in the regular season. For a player who's the smartest ever according to some people here he still does dumb things far too often. I hope he has a great game Saturday because this thing is far from over and while TBH I don't give a shit about Marner one way or the other, I'm a Maple Leaf fan and as long as he's playing for us, I'll be cheering him on just like all our other players.