Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Dekes For Days]

Dekes we’re still on this? Come on man you guys just agree to disagree

We did agree to disagree. I've just been busy the past few days and didn't get a chance to respond to a few things. If you don't like a discussion, you don't have to read and respond.

 

[arso40]

We did agree to disagree. I've just been busy the past few days and didn't get a chance to respond to a few things. If you don't like a discussion, you don't have to read and respond.

It’s funny if I didn’t like it I would ignore like other things your takes are interesting to say the least cause your out of space with it you are as far away from the truth as one can be

 

[Dekes For Days]

It’s funny if I didn’t like it I would ignore like other things your takes are interesting to say the least cause your out of space with it you are as far away from the truth as one can be

You may be committed to disagreeing with the conclusion, but it's all truthful.

 

[Metroid]

How much crying does Marner do ffs?

Not as much as his "fans"

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Pucks over the glass, crying in the penalty box, throwing hissy fits on the bench, critical turnovers must get him lots of respect from his teammates who make 10% what he makes.

From the sounds of it he's not just crying in the penalty box.

I can only imagine seeing this guy throwing a hissy fit in the dressing room because they're losing again. Blaming everyone but himself. I'm sure that commands a lot of respect from the rest of the team.

Goes a long way towards explaining the on-ice results.

 

[Fogelhund]

Will he get some shifts at D against the Habs?

 

[Gary Nylund]

How much crying does Marner do ffs?

If you want to show emotion make sure it's the right one. Get mad and throw a bench across the dressing room. That's sending a message.

Crying sends a message too I guess just so happens it's the wrong one.

Yeah I agree. Showing emotion can be good, but crying ... off the top of my head, I can only think of one time where crying is fine, and that's after the last game of the playoffs is over. Win or lose, it's OK to shed a few tears but crying in the penalty box, I don't think you ever want to see that.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not at all. Stick to reality and no one will have an issue.
Keep making up nonsense and people will call you out, it's the same for anyone.

Every time Marner does something good you come in here to say "you hate to see it" and now you're talking about nonsense? Get a grip dude, nobody posts more garbage in the Marner threads than you.

 

[Gary Nylund]

While I appreciate Giordano's commentary on the topic, if the player is putting up numbers when it counts and is a good "team player", they can be as monotone and stoic as they want. Vice versa too. I'm at the point where I just want results.

David Clarkson showed a tonne of emotion and he was utterly and completely useless when he was here.

Yup. I like to see some emotion from time to time but what I want 1000 times more than that is wins, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Madap]

From the sounds of it he's not just crying in the penalty box.

I can only imagine seeing this guy throwing a hissy fit in the dressing room because they're losing again. Blaming everyone but himself. I'm sure that commands a lot of respect from the rest of the team.

Goes a long way towards explaining the on-ice results.

We all saw Nylander call him out last year in the playoffs. I’m sure he didn’t mean for it to be caught on national TV, but it’s really telling about their differences in attitude and maybe why Nylander is able to stay consistent in the playoffs while Marner fades when things get tough.

With every year though, there’s hope Marner has matured.

 

[francis246]

How much crying does Marner do ffs?

If you want to show emotion make sure it's the right one. Get mad and throw a bench across the dressing room. That's sending a message.

Crying sends a message too I guess just so happens it's the wrong one.

Don’t be an idiot, obviously he isn’t saying Marner is legit crying. He was using an analogy.

 

[francis246]

While I appreciate Giordano's commentary on the topic, if the player is putting up numbers when it counts and is a good "team player", they can be as monotone and stoic as they want. Vice versa too. I'm at the point where I just want results.

David Clarkson showed a tonne of emotion and he was utterly and completely useless when he was here.

Agreed, I’m not saying I support Gio’s assessment but rather, just appreciate him giving an inside look into the locker room.

But I also see Gio’s point about the lack of emotion. You look at McDavid, Crosby, MacKinnon, Ovechkin, Draisaitl and all the greats, they are emotional leaders. They give their all and you don’t question the passion they have, I think Gio’s point here is that might be the MISSING ingredient. They need to play like they care, you can’t have 1 or 2 guys not doing that, you need complete buy in. That’s how I read it. Tell me if I’m wrong.

 

[thusk]

How much crying does Marner do ffs?

If you want to show emotion make sure it's the right one. Get mad and throw a bench across the dressing room. That's sending a message.

Crying sends a message too I guess just so happens it's the wrong one.

But it's funny the number of time i heard than leafs core doesn't show any emotion but at the same time bashing the only who's actuallu did it because it's not the way you want it...

Marner always taking care of everybody on the team.Last year He ctually tried to protect a teammate from media but it resulting to become the guy with a target on his back ... He accepted everything, came back strong whatever everything said about him, focus on the team succes... Still care about everyone and still the same... See marner jumping to try to get a puck in the air, sliding on the ice to try to clear the puck out of his zone ( even if he failed). Just showing for me how much he care about changing the script for the team.

Personally i prefer someone showing emotion even if it's not always perfect than a guy looking like if nothing really matter

 

[francis246]

Yeah I agree. Showing emotion can be good, but crying ... off the top of my head, I can only think of one time where crying is fine, and that's after the last game of the playoffs is over. Win or lose, it's OK to shed a few tears but crying in the penalty box, I don't think you ever want to see that.

The issue though Gary is that when your leader plays with ZERO emotion and little to no intensity on a daily basis, it will not translate to wins in the playoffs and I think that’s Giordano’s point.

I look at McDavid after going down 0-3 and the video that game out, the man was screaming and demanding better of his team and his voice was cracking. That’s an emotional leader who get it. You can’t just coast and rely on your skill, you need to play a little pissed off, you need to want to kill the opposition and we don’t see it from our team. The leaders have to set the tone, the nothing phases me attitude will only get you so far because when a good team like Florida is leaning into you and running on emotions and you don’t match that, you’re getting cooked in 4 or 5.

 

[Lightsol]

Well isn’t it true that the better team usually/always win in a best of 7 series.

Yep, but the narrative in Leaf Nation at this point is that as soon as the playoffs start, the whole team stops playing entirely, except for certain individuals.

 

[Craig Button]

We all saw Nylander call him out last year in the playoffs. I’m sure he didn’t mean for it to be caught on national TV, but it’s really telling about their differences in attitude and maybe why Nylander is able to stay consistent in the playoffs while Marner fades when things get tough.

With every year though, there’s hope Marner has matured.

The best is how well Nylander played in Games 1, 2 and 3

Here are his highlights

 

[Lightsol]

The best is how well Nylander played in Games 1, 2 and 3

Here are his highlights

I'm glad SOMEBODY said it, because I thought the same thing; Nylander has a lot of gall to start screaming at the bench in Game 4, considering that was his FIRST game of the series.

 

[Smif]

So if I go back and look at all contracts signed by players on Canadian teams they're all going to be "tax adjusted"?

How consistent is this do you figure?

Since 2005 when the cap was introduced, only 4 high tax teams have won the cup compared to 16 low tax rate teams. Three of those cup wins came in the first 9 years (ANA & LAK twice) with only Washington the most recent winner which was in 2018 and Washington is closer to the median coming in at 18 of 32.

The 16 lowest tax rate teams have a combined 16 cups between them in the last 20 years.

The 16 highest tax rate teams have a combined 4 cups between and only 1 cup in the last 10 years.

Taking it further - Subtract SEA & UTA from the list because they're new teams and the only three teams in the top 16 to not have won a cup in the cap era are Dallas, Nashville and Columbus

 

[IPS]

Since 2005 when the cap was introduced, only 4 high tax teams have won the cup compared to 16 low tax rate teams. Three of those cup wins came in the first 9 years (ANA & LAK twice) with only Washington the most recent winner which was in 2018 and Washington is closer to the median coming in at 18 of 32.

The 16 lowest tax rate teams have a combined 16 cups between them in the last 20 years.

The 16 highest tax rate teams have a combined 4 cups between and only 1 cup in the last 10 years.

Taking it further - Subtract SEA & UTA from the list because they're new teams and the only three teams in the top 16 to not have won a cup in the cap era are Dallas, Nashville and Columbus

That doesn't answer my question. I had chatGPT run all contracts signed by Canadian players in the last 5 years and let's just say this "tax adjusted" theory ain't really holding up.

The organization just sucks and overpays everybody, even relative to other Canadian teams.

 

[Smif]

So if I go back and look at all contracts signed by players on Canadian teams they're all going to be "tax adjusted"?

How consistent is this do you figure?

There's tons of these articles btw:

NHL free agency shows teams in states with no income tax have an advantage | TSN

When the Tampa Bay Lightning made moves at the NHL draft to clear salary cap space, general manager Julien BriseBois hoped a variety of factors would entice players to sign as free agents.

www.tsn.ca

 

[thusk]

We all saw Nylander call him out last year in the playoffs. I’m sure he didn’t mean for it to be caught on national TV, but it’s really telling about their differences in attitude and maybe why Nylander is able to stay consistent in the playoffs while Marner fades when things get tough.

With every year though, there’s hope Marner has matured.

They always 2 way to see thr same situation and it's rarely black or white...

1st way
You can see the way Nylander is more mature to think that's why he had been able to producing at higher rate...

or the second way
Nylander just doesn't care as much about winning or losing so He just still playing the same way with no pressure... At the end, if they lost its just an other day vs Marner who just want it too much so try to do too much on the ice under preasure...

Maybe the truth is somewhere between both, who's really know?

 

[Smif]

That doesn't answer my question. I had chatGPT run all contracts signed by Canadian players in the last 5 years and let's just say this "tax adjusted" theory ain't really holding up.

The organization just sucks and overpays everybody, even relative to other Canadian teams.

There's tons of articles where players and GMs are saying it has a big effect on where players sign and for how much.

 

[IPS]

There's tons of articles where players and GMs are saying it has a big effect on where players sign and for how much.

All's I'm saying is that when we blatantly overpay Marner - taxes aren't going to have much of anything to do with it.

 

[Craig Button]

That doesn't answer my question. I had chatGPT run all contracts signed by Canadian players in the last 5 years and let's just say this "tax adjusted" theory ain't really holding up.

The organization just sucks and overpays everybody, even relative to other Canadian teams.

Now is that Canadian players as in Players that are Canadian or Players playing in Canada ?

 

[Smif]

All's I'm saying is that when we blatantly overpay Marner - taxes aren't going to have much of anything to do with it.

And I would have to strongly disagree with that statement especially with Marner being a Ferris client - This guy will bleed any team dry to get his client the most money possible. He'll use the advantage as much as possible imo.