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Mitch Marner, Yet Again

ToneDog said:
Marner being in on a higher percentage of goals could be that outside the top 2 lines, we do not get much production. Marner also gets the most TOI, #1 PP time and the PP goes through him so it is virtually impossible for him not to get a point on a PPG. He also gets EN points because is usually o the ice. He's had a good year but he's been better IMO. Honestly I do not recall him playing so far away from the net in the past.
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Take away his privileges and he hovers around a point a game on a season and maybe less. He doesn't actually do much other than play the role of a vending machine. An Oh Henry! For you, Mr.Big for you and the rest is all skittles.
 
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ToneDog said:
Question is, how much better do you expect Marner to get because that is what we are supposedly going to pay him for. If you look at his numbers, he peaked in 20/21 when he had 97 points in 72 games (1.34 PPG). Since then his PPG has dropped to to 1.2+. His goal scoring is also trending in the wrong direction. He peaked at 35 that year. Has 79 goals in the last 3 seasons). Willie and Matty have continued to reach higher levels (not counting this year for Matty due to injuries).

Many are predicting a deep run. If they do not reach the ECF, he will walk and get his money elsewhere. If they manage to make a deep run, then $13m is not out of the question unless he wants more than Matty, in which case he can f*** off.
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It is arrogant to wanting to paid MacKinnon money when, Mac, McDavid, kucherov and Drai have had 128 point plus seasons and all are better goal scorers, when Mitch has had 99 as his best.
 
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Confucius said:
It is arrogant to wanting to paid MacKinnon money when, Mac, McDavid, kucherov and Drai have had 128 point plus seasons and all are better goal scorers, when Mitch has had 99 as his best.
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The whine brigade will be here shortly regarding this comment. The big cheese Ferris will be in the media doing whine of his own when the season ends.
 
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francis246 said:
Pretty sure he has less EN goals and points than William Nylander this year
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thewave said:
Take away his privileges and he hovers around a point a game on a season and maybe less. He doesn't actually do much other than play the role of a vending machine. An Oh Henry! For you, Mr.Big for you and the rest is all skittles.
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What kills me is when I see Matthews carry the puck into the ozone and flip it into Marner's corner, Marner rather than going after the puck, he hangs back and let's 23 and 34 go battle for it while he hovers waiting for somebody to pass him the puck. Sorry, that is what I want a guy I am paying $13+m doing. Go get the f***ing puck Mitch. Get f***ing dirty.
 
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ToneDog said:
Marner being in on a higher percentage of goals could be that outside the top 2 lines, we do not get much production. Marner also gets the most TOI, #1 PP time and the PP goes through him so it is virtually impossible for him not to get a point on a PPG. He also gets EN points because is usually o the ice. He's had a good year but he's been better IMO. Honestly I do not recall him playing so far away from the net in the past.
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Rock solid assumption. He definitely hasnt been all those things for his entire career (Highest TOI amongst forwards, #1 PP time, 1st PK unit, always on for the last min of games whether they're winning or losing).

You just don't want it to be true that he's playing better this year and is as important to the team as ever.
 
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Smif said:
Rock solid assumption. He definitely hasnt been all those things for his entire career (Highest TOI amongst forwards, #1 PP time, 1st PK unit, always on for the last min of games whether they're winning or losing).

You just don't want it to be true that he's playing better this year and is as important to the team as ever.
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He's hasn't even been as good as he was earlier this year since the TDL (7 goals and 13 assists in his last 20 games PPG). Sorry, he does not have the dog in him for me to want to pay him Matthews money. IMO it would be suicide to pay him close to what he is asking given his/their lack of playoff success. Let him f*** another organization with his soft, perimeter game.
 
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Confucius said:
It is arrogant to wanting to paid MacKinnon money when, Mac, McDavid, kucherov and Drai have had 128 point plus seasons and all are better goal scorers, when Mitch has had 99 as his best.
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Always with the fantasies :laugh:
 
The Hanging Jowl said:
With talk of Mitch upwards of $14M, Knies upwards of $9M and Tavares upwards of $7M, someone's going to have to explain to me how this all works.
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13/6/7 is about all they could do. If they went 20 man and somehow paid off the 600k Pacioretty Bonus

They could do 14 Marner, 9 knies, 7 Tavares

By trading domi/kampf and signing 1 million and less players
 
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Smif said:
Rock solid assumption. He definitely hasnt been all those things for his entire career (Highest TOI amongst forwards, #1 PP time, 1st PK unit, always on for the last min of games whether they're winning or losing).

You just don't want it to be true that he's playing better this year and is as important to the team as ever.
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It’s crazy. They cry about this stuff all day every day and they don’t even follow what’s happening
 
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666 said:
Are we finally done with your nonsense? Here's a question. Why did you ignore @thewave when he asked you to include Nylander in your misleading stats? Is it because your misleading stats indicate that Domi is better than Nylander and JT? Let's see what integrity you have now.
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Are you incapable of doing your own research? Check Natural Stat Trick put in some effort and contribute valuable information to the discussion instead of repeating childish takes like, "OMG, they admitted they didn’t watch every second of every game, so they have zero integrity and are liars!"

I’d love for those who disagree with me to provide actual research as rebuttals rather than resorting to immature arguments that no one has time for.

The facts are simple: I’ve backed up my position with evidence-based research, and no one has proven it wrong. Accusing me of cherry picking without specifying what data is misleading is just lazy.

Apparently, 300 minutes of data is too little, but 2,000 minutes is too much, make it make sense.

Show me the research that you have that specifies how much data is just rigght.
 
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Antropovsky said:
Are you incapable of doing your own research? Check Natural Stat Trick put in some effort and contribute valuable information to the discussion instead of repeating childish takes like, "OMG, they admitted they didn’t watch every second of every game, so they have zero integrity and are liars!"

I’d love for those who disagree with me to provide actual research as rebuttals rather than resorting to immature arguments that no one has time for.

The facts are simple: I’ve backed up my position with evidence-based research, and no one has proven it wrong. Accusing me of cherry picking without specifying what data is misleading is just lazy.

Apparently, 300 minutes of data is too little, but 2,000 minutes is too much, make it make sense.

Show me the research that you have that specifies how much data is just rigght.
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If watching every second of every game was a prerequisite to have integrity or form any kind of opinion, nobody on here would be able to talk about any other player in the entire league
 
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thewave said:
The whine brigade will be here shortly regarding this comment. The big cheese Ferris will be in the media doing whine of his own when the season ends.
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The whine brigade have been here all along whining about Marner as usual. Even making up contract numbers even though the latest reports suggest that Marner hasn't negotiated at all. Though definitely Ferris will have a whine of his own at seasons end.
 
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Leaf Fans said:
The whine brigade have been here all along whining about Marner as usual. Even making up contract numbers even though the latest reports suggest that Marner hasn't negotiated at all. Though definitely Ferris will have a whine of his own at seasons end.
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That is what they said once the Leafs leaked that they asked Marner to waive for Carolina. If you believe insiders like Kyper, Mirtle and Lebrun, the number he is looking for is in the high 13s. As Mirtle said, if he was willing to take the Nylander deal based on the project cap or a bit more, a deal would have been done. Anybody thinking he would entertain anything in the low to mid 12s clearly has not being paying attention.
 
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Antropovsky said:
Are you incapable of doing your own research? Check Natural Stat Trick put in some effort and contribute valuable information to the discussion instead of repeating childish takes like, "OMG, they admitted they didn’t watch every second of every game, so they have zero integrity and are liars!"

I’d love for those who disagree with me to provide actual research as rebuttals rather than resorting to immature arguments that no one has time for.

The facts are simple: I’ve backed up my position with evidence-based research, and no one has proven it wrong. Accusing me of cherry picking without specifying what data is misleading is just lazy.

Apparently, 300 minutes of data is too little, but 2,000 minutes is too much, make it make sense.

Show me the research that you have that specifies how much data is just rigght.
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Many people have presented rebuttles. You just refuse to accept them. Yes you post stats, but you do not use context to provide the full picture. You make a claim, and provide limited stats that support your narrative surrounding the claim. You eliminate data that provides whole picture context. Which ultimately negates the integrity of your argument. That’s the issue and why many people take issue with your posts..

Like I said, you’re smart but you also know what you’re doing, which is why you’re not denying it either. Anyone can post numbers and say the data says this and present misleading narratives, but if you eliminate other data sets for no other reason than preference or fail to provide context behind the numbers you’ve posted how can anyone take your claims seriously?
 
ToneDog said:
That is what they said once the Leafs leaked that they asked Marner to waive for Carolina. If you believe insiders like Kyper, Mirtle and Lebrun, the number he is looking for is in the high 13s. As Mirtle said, if he was willing to take the Nylander deal based on the project cap or a bit more, a deal would have been done. Anybody thinking he would entertain anything in the low to mid 12s clearly has not being paying attention.
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That would be 16 x7.

Insanity.
He probably wants to stay for 13.2593.
 
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Antropovsky said:
The only 5v5 stat this season that Marner blows domi out of the water in is secondary assists.

Goals/60, primary assists/60 this season
Marner - 0.68 g/60, 0.96 first assists p/60
Domi - 0.59 g/60, 0.81 first assists p/60

Over 1400 mins:
Marner:
16 goals
22 primary assists

Domi:
14 goals
19 primary assists

Yes very humiliating/rough year for "Domi"
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How many points does Domi have this year? Then how many points does Marner have? Enough said... thanks for playing.
 
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ToneDog said:
That is what they said once the Leafs leaked that they asked Marner to waive for Carolina. If you believe insiders like Kyper, Mirtle and Lebrun, the number he is looking for is in the high 13s. As Mirtle said, if he was willing to take the Nylander deal based on the project cap or a bit more, a deal would have been done. Anybody thinking he would entertain anything in the low to mid 12s clearly has not being paying attention.
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The Leafs may have not have leaked anything though it was Friedman who reported it, but he didn't reveal his sources. I also don't know who leaked information to Kyper, Mirtle and Lebrun. It was one or more of them who also put out the number as high as 14 for Rantanen.
I think most people are paying attention, but just not jumping to conclusion about any numbers.
 
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