Mitch Marner, Yet Again

The funny thing is people think than Florida best player was Tkachuk but in term of impact on the twam performance, he was 3rd behind Bobrovsky and Barkov...

Yeah i'm agree they are paid to producing but start to be unable to slow down to opposite weapon do that make you really better even if you scoring more goal.

I giving a 100% leafs exemple, back in 2018 serie vs Boston...
Game one leafs completly outplayed and kadri been suspended 3 game but both gm 1-2 leafs had no answer to the marchand-bergeron-pastrnak line who helped to score 10 of 12 boston and outscoring leafs 12-4

Game 3 Babcock trying a new line marleau-plekanec-marner line and next 5 game, they been able to reduce impact to that line to only 6 game next 5 game( including pp) and leafs been able to do something and come back in the serie...

What do you think who could have more impact than slowing down that line or trying to outscore it? What was the most realistic?

If florida who not been able to slowing down Mcdavid by exemple in the final, Florida would never been able to outscoring Edmonton.

We can blame MM/AM for lack of stats for sure but majority of this lack is special team result...and special team is about the 10nplayed who's playing in pp

Just find those stats and its pretty interesting, none of team who lost special team battle won their serie last year in 1st round. How many time Toronto won that battle ? I think it was just the second tampa series maybe i missed one, and surprised it's the only serie leafs won.

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1. Barkov and Bob are being paid more than Tkachuk. and I agree with you that Barkov played a more important role than Tkachuk but is Barkov a ROCKET winner, or score over 50 goals in a regular season or known as the best goal scorer in the current generation or the highest IQ passer in the league since Wayne? Don't think Barkov ever hit 40 goals in a season and I think he is pretty much a 30goals/50assists regular season player. Then you look at his goals scored in the playoffs, esp the past two playoffs. He pretty much averaged that in the playoffs too.

2. You are using ONE example that happened 7 yrs ago to make your point. Which also overlooking the fact that Turtleneck always had Bergy's number throughout his career. And ultimately did the Leafs beat the Bruins that series?

3. We can blame the coaches on PP all we want but when will the guys on the PP takes accountabilities in the fact that they can't score. Great that you have the stats that said winning special teams battle will most likely result in winning the series, pretty sure thats the case before all our core was drafted. Question is, what the F had our core done about that over the past 8 playoffs? Even Forrest Grump would had learn enough lessons to know whats needed to be done by now, have our Core 5 done anything to improve the PP over the past 6 playoffs with essentially the same PP 5-AM, MM, Willie, JT and Reilly?

We can all micro dissect each playoffs series down to a missed assignment on D, a hit, or a save that the goalie should had got...but what about chances that guys didn't convert or the fact that our Rocket winner is being shutdown by Coyle who would had been the 3C if he was playing on the Leafs that year.

Once again, I am not saying our Core is crap, bc they are not. And it isn't some voodoo that they still couldn't produce in the playoffs, but more to do with the way they play and approach the game. Lack of urgency, lack of leading the engagement and waiting for others to take over, lead instead of being led....As of today, they had shown that they are all great Betas and not Alphas. It is not just about winning the Cup or playoffs rounds that makes you an Alpha, it is about the way they play the games when the deck is stack against them. Do they rise up and play better than normal or just turtle, play it safe, hope not to make a mistake and someone else to take over. Past playoffs showed, Our guys tend to fold when it matters.

Now this can all change with one playoffs but until then, they are a whole bunch of Pippen and Klay at best and not Jordan, Kobe or Lebron. Or in Hockey terms, they are Jurri, Seabrook, Francis, Brad Richards, Stamkos instead of Toews, Messier, Mario, Kuch, Makar and Mack.
 
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We don't spend less on the bottom 6 than most teams... our goalies make 3 million a year, we have savings...

Florida for example spends 13 million on theirs.

The first part of your post is just your feelings, not a fact.
Enjoy another first round playoff exit this year.

This is what you are defending, and I'll never be able to make sense of that.
 
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If that’s what you’re going with it seems silly to single him out.

Willy gave us term and gave us a discount. Can't say that about marner, Matthews too. Marner was my favourite player until I realized he only cares about one thing, himself.
 
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and the guy who sat out half a season gets a pass?
Marner hasn’t made any demands.

That upset a lot of fans but after they paid tavares/matthews/marner the crazy amts they got, I'd be upset too if I was nylander. We are lucky nylander signed a team friendly deal which is why people forgave him.
 
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I'm a little shocked Domi went with the backhand to score his goal today...instead of trying the between the legs shot like Marner did in the same spot vs the Flyers and the goalie easily saved it. I was told the between the legs shot had higher probability for scoring than a backhand.
 
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1. Barkov and Bob are being paid more than Tkachuk. and I agree with you that Barkov played a more important role than Tkachuk but is Barkov a ROCKET winner, or score over 50 goals in a regular season or known as the best goal scorer in the current generation or the highest IQ passer in the league since Wayne? Don't think Barkov ever hit 40 goals in a season and I think he is pretty much a 30goals/50assists regular season player. Then you look at his goals scored in the playoffs, esp the past two playoffs. He pretty much averaged that in the playoffs too.

2. You are using ONE example that happened 7 yrs ago to make your point. Which also overlooking the fact that Turtleneck always had Bergy's number throughout his career. And ultimately did the Leafs beat the Bruins that series?

3. We can blame the coaches on PP all we want but when will the guys on the PP takes accountabilities in the fact that they can't score. Great that you have the stats that said winning special teams battle will most likely result in winning the series, pretty sure thats the case before all our core was drafted. Question is, what the F had our core done about that over the past 8 playoffs? Even Forrest Grump would had learn enough lessons to know whats needed to be done by now, have our Core 5 done anything to improve the PP over the past 6 playoffs with essentially the same PP 5-AM, MM, Willie, JT and Reilly?

We can all micro dissect each playoffs series down to a missed assignment on D, a hit, or a save that the goalie should had got...but what about chances that guys didn't convert or the fact that our Rocket winner is being shutdown by Coyle who would had been the 3C if he was playing on the Leafs that year.

Once again, I am not saying our Core is crap, bc they are not. And it isn't some voodoo that they still couldn't produce in the playoffs, but more to do with the way they play and approach the game. Lack of urgency, lack of leading the engagement and waiting for others to take over, lead instead of being led....As of today, they had shown that they are all great Betas and not Alphas. It is not just about winning the Cup or playoffs rounds that makes you an Alpha, it is about the way they play the games when the deck is stack against them. Do they rise up and play better than normal or just turtle, play it safe, hope not to make a mistake and someone else Our guys tend to fold when it matters.

Now this can all change with one playoffs but until then, they are a whole bunch of Pippen and Klay at best and not Jordan, Kobe or Lebron. Or in Hockey terms, they are Jurri, Seabrook, Francis, Brad Richards, Stamkos instead of Toews, Messier, Mario, Kuch, Makar and Mack.


i'm 100% with you in that one, leafs lost because every player didn't raised their game enough when they have to and why they lost and that's it. For me, they're only one serie they lost but really deserve to win and it was the 1st vs tampa but they should had lost the second one...

The only thing i said get higher production doesn't mean got higher positive impact.
 
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I'm a little shocked Domi went with the backhand to score his goal today...instead of trying the between the legs shot like Marner did in the same spot vs the Flyers and the goalie easily saved it. I was told the between the legs shot had higher probability for scoring than a backhand.
What about his breakaway goal?
 
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You're a better antro than the man or woman themselves
Quite literally the only time he creates offense... I indicated in the offseason that this was how wed see him score most of his goals. Highlights from last year were the same. When he's fishing for the breakaway. He does it ALOT... he would also attempt steals and if he failed he would still blow the zone because he would bank on a Leaf to win the puck battle and send him on a breakaway.

Nylander did it early in the year and caught some heat because it ended up on the Leafs net.

I personally don't like it because when he goes fishing for the steals it can cost the team because he puts himself out of position and spreads the Defense out. He likes to challenge opponents, but personally I prefer a player who just plays good positional team defense. I don't like Nylander doing it either...but he does it significantly less.

He did this vs Boston the PK last playoffs...chased a guy too low and on the players wrong side and the player made an easy pass which ended up a tap in goal against.
 

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