Mitch Marner, Yet Again
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Don’t worry one day they’ll wake up and be forced to say Hes a better player nothing he does is ever enough and the excuses for Mitch are endless he shuts down top lines he runs the power play Hes our best pk like we’re idiots and don’t watch the games ourselves
If Willie and MM are supporting or even secondary players. That’s fair but they are not.
They are paid to win games by scoring goals in critical time. If you just look at how many goals Tkachuk scored and points he got last playoffs, it ain’t that great, I would even say I expected more.
But he showed up when it mattered most. That’s the diff between Willie and MM for now in the playoffs. Look back at past series, and the last few Leafs goals in each series and you won’t be surprised to see Willie either scored or assisted on them. Can’t say the same with MM. Willie been doing that while getting paid close to 4mil less than MM, which is more than 50% of his salary.
Not saying MM is a crappy player bc he is a great player but he just hasn’t been dominating in the playoffs like he has done in the regular season. It is really hard to even recall shifts that MM dominated in the playoffs for the past few years.
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notdoneyet
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He is hated here already
No one on the team has as much vitriol spewed by the Mitch haters
Everything that is wrong with the leafs is his fault
All the playoff failures are his fault
I honestly hope he goes somewhere else just for his mental health.
Let us spend this 13 million on a couple of players
That will give us all this depth that posters on here keep raving about.
I didnt say they were good overall, I didnt say they were good in the clutch, I just said they were one of the most potent 5v5 combos out there, which they have been. Part of the reason almost every series they have played has gone the distance is those guys 5v5 play. It's one of the list of the good things in the playoffs. Nothing wrong with pointing it out no?
Winning makes a big difference to things of course and its good to know the good and bad of the team. I wouldnt praise a guy like Nylander the same way. His numbers are 2.22 goals for and 2.56 goals against 5v5 but his strengths have been goal scoring, especially when play opens up (4 on 4 situations) and he's one of the few bright spots on the PP for the team. His weaknesses have been that he has issues with tighter game situations (5v5), harder QoC and needs to play with a quality center to maximize his effectiveness IMO. With Matthews and/or Marner taking on the other teams better players, it leaves room for him to dominate lesser checkers. Keep him in his role and I hope he keeps doing what hes doing.
Tavares has been a bigger issue than all those guys and I'm hoping for him to continue his great play and make up for being a playoff dud for the team. Add in Stolarz as a starter over Campbell/Samsonov and a bottom 6 that can only do better than what we have had (maybe the worst performing of any contender the last 5 decades) and theres optimism this season.
I mean, thats not flat earth. Flat earth would be to become so tribal that nothing good can be mentioned of those guys. I'm sure they know themselves what needs to be fixed. They rock a top PP and they are going on a run, especially with a starter that doesnt have a habit of letting in weak goals every 2nd game.
I'm not some blind Leafs homer, I can see what is working and what is not and I'm not really a bandwagon guy (like so many in the mainstream that thought the team was some defensive powerhouse because Berube is a "defensive" coach). Wins are brought on by goals scored for and against. Scoring more goals than the opposition. A guy like Rielly has incredible production combined with elite goal differential. Is it all undone by being a part of that crappy PP? The crappy PP doesnt take away from the fact hes been a 5v5 and overall production superstar though. That fact still remains.
I called on a revamp of the bottom 6 and was someone of wanted to grab Stolarz in the offseason. I also thought the coaching change would be the thing to fix the PP (although always liked Keefe, the repeated failure of special teams in the playoffs meant his head had to roll). Now lets see if it all works.
So what was last year like in particular when marner was separated from one of the best centers of this generation for 24 million dollars on one line when that’s literally a third or a little over a third of the teams total cap hit you better do a lot more than what you’ve been doing not to mention you get the top offensive player on the baccend to help you guys win these minutes by a wide enough margin to justify leaving the rest of the line up thin LOL no where near good enough hence the reason keefes last year he decided he’s going out his way and that’s by splitting those two up cause it’s not dominant but enjoy
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35 Tavares
42 for Nylander
62 for Matthews
21 for Marner
Tavares and Marner together
Xgf 2.07, Xga 2.46
Not a good sign when two 11 million dollar players are together.
Teams aren’t as rigid as top line vs top line, sure they may start games like that but even that is not always the case. Coaches key on which players are playing well and adjust accordingly. To a coach It would be pretty evident early on and even heading in to a game just who is hot and who is not. Dmen also play way more minutes than forwards so both Lines would get plenty of attention anyway.
Just don’t associate AM, MM and Reilly to words like most potent combo in the past few playoffs.
I really don’t want to even discuss this anymore bc you are so set in your own narratives that it is like telling the PERSON I told the other day about that’s being a Women Washroom while my daughter is in there but that PERSON insisted on being a Women. I will just leave it at that.
Chokers until proven otherwise.
That’s include everyone in the Core, AM, MM, Willie, Reilly and JT.
The fact that Kampf is currently the longest serving Leafs after Core 5 showed maybe the Core 5 is the biggest problem when it comes to playoffs instead of the rest of the team.
Stop giving credits to the Core 5 for making it a long first round series. How is that even a good thing? Just be honest and see that the Core 5 had been bad. And ultimately face the fact that they might just be very good and even great secondary but not great primary players. Maybe they are just all Bosh, Klay, Manu and Pippen instead of MJ, Shaq Kobe and Lebron.
In 2019 advanced stats for scoring chance generating plays, Marner was last amongst the big 4. Matthews was first, Tavares 2nd, Nylander 3rd, Marner 4th. Marner was quite low in the league ranking.
Which is crazy, considering Marner also gets least amount of shots and least xgf%. So hes not creating chances and hes not a scoring threat.
Nobody is blaming him for everything. People are upset because he's become a mercenary. He needs to show us he actually cares about being here and one way to do that is term and amt. Willy did and it instantly changed perceptions of his desires.
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It's not about the money, it's the principle of it all as the best player on the Leafs he should be offered as much as Matthews, it's not greed I swear. It's not that. Waaaaaaaaah
It's mostly just miserable old men who hate their own life from what I see, I really don't think the average Leaf fan dislikes him as much as some of you think.
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The funny thing is people think than Florida best player was Tkachuk but in term of impact on the twam performance, he was 3rd behind Bobrovsky and Barkov...
Yeah i'm agree they are paid to producing but start to be unable to slow down to opposite weapon do that make you really better even if you scoring more goal.
I giving a 100% leafs exemple, back in 2018 serie vs Boston...
Game one leafs completly outplayed and kadri been suspended 3 game but both gm 1-2 leafs had no answer to the marchand-bergeron-pastrnak line who helped to score 10 of 12 boston and outscoring leafs 12-4
Game 3 Babcock trying a new line marleau-plekanec-marner line and next 5 game, they been able to reduce impact to that line to only 6 game next 5 game( including pp) and leafs been able to do something and come back in the serie...
What do you think who could have more impact than slowing down that line or trying to outscore it? What was the most realistic?
If florida who not been able to slowing down Mcdavid by exemple in the final, Florida would never been able to outscoring Edmonton.
We can blame MM/AM for lack of stats for sure but majority of this lack is special team result...and special team is about the 10nplayed who's playing in pp
Just find those stats and its pretty interesting, none of team who lost special team battle won their serie last year in 1st round. How many time Toronto won that battle ? I think it was just the second tampa series maybe i missed one, and surprised it's the only serie leafs won.
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He and Matthews are still the most popular among the fanbase.
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Willy is overpaid thanks to Marner's rfa deal setting a floor for Willy's ufa deal. Once Nylander reached Marner's level, he was never going to take less than Marner's 10.9m. At least Nylander signed a contract he is already living up to, unlike Marner, 6 years later.
Yep... one could tell Marner is very popular, considering how much he complains about his treatment by Leaf fans on social media.
Sundinisagod
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The average Leaf fan doesn't know there is a salary cap, and how overpayment contracts have prevented this team from building the depth needed to win playoff rounds. If you want to hang your hat on that, be my guest.
This is ironic... 1-2 million overpayment is not a big deal, every team has players who are overpaid, but it is all the average poster on here cries about.
Sundinisagod
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It is absolutely a big deal when the culture of the team has become about star players prioritizing cash over cups. It is a big deal when every overpayment leads to another overpayment. It is a big deal when your team has to blow all its first rounders to get salary retention on any half decent player they acquire. It is a big deal when you constantly have a sub par bottom 6 that can't step up when the stars check out in playoff hockey...yeah, no big deal at all.
We don't spend less on the bottom 6 than most teams... our goalies make 3 million a year, we have savings...
Florida for example spends 13 million on theirs.
The first part of your post is just your feelings, not a fact.
It's inevitable. He did it last time hes doing it again. He's given no option to the team.
