Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[arso40]

I can’t deny it, but I don’t think it matters as much as your making it seem. He’s still effective, I’m sure if he moves lower he could put himself in much better positions to score . So I do agree with your point there, but I think we both know you trying to diminish his points because of the locations of last night, is you trying to stir up shit in this thread and being nothing more than a troll attempt tbh. Both were incredible plays. The location literally doesn’t matter. He put the puck on net in a great spot for JT to tip it home, he feathered a pass on the tape to Nylander. What was wrong with either?

Nice pass to Willy better shot

 

[Antropovsky]

Actually yes. I record all the games and have Prime for the others.

So you think everyone fan on this board does likewise?

 

[Donnie740]

Marner went 20 consecutive games without a primary assist. He finally has two in last two games against two bottom 5 nhl teams AFTER the trade deadline (most team tanking):

When did Marner go “20 consecutive games without a primary assist”?

 

[Antropovsky]

When did Marner go “20 consecutive games without a primary assist”?

He went consecutive 20 games without a 5v5 primary assist. I've mentioned this numerous times.

1/4 of the season worth of consecutive games without a 5v5 primary assist for apparently the games "best" playmaker.

 

[666]

So you think everyone fan on this board does likewise?

I would expect people who have the time to argue all day long (sometimes even from work) to have the time to record the games and watch them.

 

[Antropovsky]

I can’t deny it, but I don’t think it matters as much as your making it seem. He’s still effective, I’m sure if he moves lower he could put himself in much better positions to score . So I do agree with your point there, but I think we both know you trying to diminish his points because of the locations of last night, is you trying to stir up shit in this thread and being nothing more than a troll attempt tbh. Both were incredible plays. The location literally doesn’t matter. He put the puck on net in a great spot for JT to tip it home, he feathered a pass on the tape to Nylander. What was wrong with either?

Alot wrong... the same thing that has been always wrong about Marner. It's the same style as playoff Marner. No grit, just fancy perimeter play.

From Trotz in January 2023:
"The thing I saw with them (maple leafs) last year is the commitment level in the playoffs. Their stars were blocking shots. They got their noses dirty a little more often. They made the simple play when they had to. They didn’t try to force things."

Marner is doing none of this... he's never getting his nose dirty, he rarely tries to block a shot and of all players...he's doing the forced fancy stuff.

But... what does Trotz know about winning.

 

[francis246]

Nice pass to Willy better shot

What does it matter? It’s just pettiness. One part of the play is not more important than the other. Marner makes a beautiful play to give Willy a chance to score, Willy makes good on the opportunity with a great shot in tight. See how simple that is? You can acknowledge both parts of the goal without trying to diminish one players contribution to the play.

 

[Antropovsky]

I would expect people who have the time to argue all day long (sometimes even from work) to have the time to record the games and watch them.

All day long? So you are now saying some posters are posting all day long without breaks?

 

[arso40]

What does it matter? It’s just pettiness. One part of the play is not more important than the other. Marner makes a beautiful play to give Willy a chance to score, Willy makes good on the opportunity with a great shot in tight. See how simple that is? You can acknowledge both parts of the goal without trying to diminish one players contribution to the play.

No, one is more important than the other that’s the part your missing the goal is more important that the pass I keep hearing about the pass havent heard much about the shot so I’m making it clear my opinion is that it was a good pass and a better shot you let me know your opinion which I don’t disagree

 

[francis246]

Alot wrong... the same thing that has been always wrong about Marner. It's the same style as playoff Marner. No grit, just fancy perimeter play.

From Trotz in January 2023:
"The thing I saw with them (maple leafs) last year is the commitment level in the playoffs. Their stars were blocking shots. They got their noses dirty a little more often. They made the simple play when they had to. They didn’t try to force things."

Marner is doing none of this... he's never getting his nose dirty, he rarely tries to block a shot and of all players...he's doing the forced fancy stuff.

But... what does Trotz know about winning.

Classic Antro, you ask him what’s wrong with the passes, he brings some bullshit irrelevant quote instead of just answering what’s asked of him. Just say, “you got me, I was being a troll”

 

[hullsy47]

I really like both players both on and off the ice. The problem is after all this time of playoff failures, something major has to happen unless we're just content with having good regular season success and little playoff success. I would love to see these guys all succeed together, but I don't think that will ever happen and change is needed.

Nylander is worth his money right now

 

[francis246]

No, one is more important than the other that’s the part your missing the goal is more important that the pass I keep hearing about the pass havent heard much about the shot so I’m making it clear my opinion is that it was a good pass and a better shot you let me know your opinion which I don’t disagree

Nah I’m not missing anything. Without the pass the goal doesn’t happen in this situation. Both are equally important. Willy made an incredible shot, but it’s not any more important than the pass through traffic and right on the stick. Both were needed to make the play happen.

I don’t know why you insist on turning this into a Nylander vs Marner thing. It’s weird. Both did incredible things on the play and it’s okay to acknowledge both.

 

[Donnie740]

He went consecutive 20 games without a 5v5 primary assist. I've mentioned this numerous times.

1/4 of the season worth of consecutive games without a 5v5 primary assist for apparently the games "best" playmaker.

You’re grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to justify your hatred of Marner, my friend.

So now it’s a “5-on-5 primary assist” - - I’m still waiting for you to state when that 20 game streak allegedly happened. It sounds like you’re just regurgitating something you heard on Toronto’s laughable sports talk radio.

 

[Donnie740]

Nylander is worth his money right now

Remember how desperately some of the bandwagon fans wanted to get rid of Nylander? And how they foolishly insisted he was way overpaid at $11.5M?

Looks like a fantastic signing by Treliving now.

 

[666]

All day long? So you are now saying some posters are posting all day long without breaks?

No, I mean throughout the day. Five minutes here five minutes there throughout the day adds up but your not watching the games certainly explains a lot.

 

[Donnie740]

No, I mean throughout the day. Five minutes here five minutes there throughout the day adds up but your not watching the games certainly explains a lot.

Is that another bandwagon fan who doesn’t watch the games but still tries to comment on them?

 

[Confucius]

Do you think marner is best suited for the point? Like our best option on the team?

I think, It’s the best spot for him. Let’s face it he won’t win many board battles and he is not going to stand in front of the net, so…

 

[Antropovsky]

You’re grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to justify your hatred of Marner, my friend.

So now it’s a “5-on-5 primary assist” - - I’m still waiting for you to state when that 20 game streak allegedly happened. It sounds like you’re just regurgitating something you heard on Toronto’s laughable sports talk radio.

If you've paid any attention to my posts, I've always cited 5v5. It is the preferred metric in the advanced stats community. Which I also posted a quote indicating so earlier.

Can you Marner supporters post something interesting data so I can have similar evidence requests?

 

[notDatsyuk]

I cannot understand why the bandwagon fans have so much hatred for Marner and Nylander.

Two of the best players in Leafs history, and the Bandwagon Boys want to run them both out of town.

I think too many posters believe that they can cheer for only one or the other.

 

[studebaker17]

I think, It’s the best spot for him. Let’s face it he won’t win many board battles and he is not going to stand in front of the net, so…

He's obviously been put on the blue line for a few reasons. The leafs don't have any d that can quarterback , Not even a little . That reason alone is the biggest . He's in a position that lets him see the entire ice and distribute the puck best , that's what he's good at . 2nd reason is he's the best forward at playing d . Not sure i agree with 5 forwards but if that's the way to go then you want a couple competent ones playing d back there . Ideally we pair him with another big shot from the blueline but who sits then ?

 

[Gary Nylund]

You don't watch the games so no one cares about your opinion.

You have no answer, why am I not surprised. You don't care, yet you spend so much of your time responding to my posts.

 

[666]

You have no answer, why am I not surprised. You don't care, yet you spend so much of your time responding to my posts.

Maybe if you didn't post the same tired talking points all day you'd have time to actually watch the games.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The leafs didn’t suck last night. Joseph Woll sucked last night and he sucked bad.

First of all, Woll is part of the team. Secondly, many have said that it was a team loss, and pointed out many WTF moments. Someone posted a picture of SJ having a 2on1 right in front of Woll because there were 4 Leafs doing who knows what at the blue line, is that on Woll?

 

[Gary Nylund]

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You admittedly didn’t watch the game. How can you attempt to comment on something you didn’t actually see?

This was asked and answered already, do try to catch up.

 

[Antropovsky]

I think too many posters believe that they can cheer for only one or the other.

Yes, a few posters think it's not possible that you can be a fan and think the Leafs would be better off without Marner. Here are a couple posters like them from the Panthers board following the Huberdeau trade: