Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Zybalto]

I hope these stats comfort you

Shouldnt comfort anyone. I know they were hamstrung with the covid cap but so were all the teams we played and we managed to pick the worst depth options out there. With the mostly revamped bottom 6 and hopefully healthy top 6 (gotta remember that McMann is an add from last years team too) , the team certainly looks better on paper. Just keep gelling until the playoffs and they will hopefully go on a big run.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It is a follow up. Why?

Why do you care why I missed the game? What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Shouldnt comfort anyone. I know they were hamstrung with the covid cap but so were all the teams we played and we managed to pick the worst depth options out there. With the mostly revamped bottom 6 and hopefully healthy top 6 (gotta remember that McMann is an add from last years team too) , the team certainly looks better on paper. Just keep gelling until the playoffs and they will hopefully go on a big run.

Just keep gelling ... you mean like last night?

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Especially when rielly cant shoot at all at some point you gotta put the disc in the net

Are you saying those extremely low percentage shots from the corner of the ice aren't something he should be doing? He shoots those shots as if it were successful at some point in his career. It's almost comical how bad Reilly is now.

 

[Smif]

Are you saying those extremely low percentage shots from the corner of the ice aren't something he should be doing? He shoots those shots as if it were successful at some point in his career. It's almost comical how bad Reilly is now.

I definitely saw one go in once, bout 6 or 7 years ago

 

[666]

Just keep gelling ... you mean like last night?

LMFAO, how would you even know, you don't watch the games. How can someone have any opinion of the game if you didn't see it. So funny.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Tampas big stars took a back seat in many of their cup runs to guys like Goodrow and Coleman scoring huge goals. Can anyone th think of a big goal scored by a depth Leafs forward? It hasnt happened.

Strange comment. Below are TB playoff stats, top 10 scorers from when they made finals 3 years in a row, winning the first two times. It's pretty clear that their big stars kicked ass while leading the team to victory, how anyone can say they took a back seat is a mystery to me.

Unlike TB, 3 of our big 4 suffer massive drop offs in production in the playoffs. When M&M both make more money than our bottom 2 line salaries combined, that's on them. M&M&JT, those are the top 3 guys on the shit list as far as I'm concerned, not sure why you keep going on about the depth guys.

 

[Gary Nylund]

LMFAO, how would you even know, you don't watch the games. How can someone have any opinion of the game if you didn't see it. So funny.

LMAO. Clearly they sucked last night, when the entire world agrees on that it's pretty obvious that that's exactly what happened. But do tell Einstein, you think they played well last night? Gelling just in time for the playoffs? Tell me how everyone's wrong and they actually played well. Go on, I'm listening.

 

[Antropovsky]

Lmao, he plays the point on the man advantage, wth?? I honestly think you think you give good analysis but it's gotta be the worst around here, I'm actually astonished you went through all that hard work on a post and Marner is doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing.

You Marner supporters love your straw man fallacy—focusing in on the powerplay when you know full well he's always "high in the zone" (se Mcdavids comment) and often standing on the blueline at 5v5. Also ignoring that Marner has taken serious heat for his distance from the net in the postseason and his unwillingness to play in the dirty areas in the playoffs.

Remember what Marner supporters were proclaiming early this year when Marner was involved in a few shoving matches, scored a couple goals in front of the net, and got into a few board battles?

"Junior Marner is back! It was Keefe holding him back!"

What has happened to those proclamations now that he's been old Marner for 99% of the games since? Still Keefes fault? Lol

I watched 12 mins of the 3rd period and Marner was the only player who attempted a between the legs play and he also once again tried to deke the puck into the net and had the puck stolen away - ruining a good scoring chance.

He tried a between the legs shot vs Flyers last game too. When's the last time any other Leaf tried a between the legs play? Let alone attempts in consecutive games.

Marner went 20 consecutive games without a primary assist. He finally has two in last two games against two bottom 5 nhl teams AFTER the trade deadline (most team tanking):

- One assist was near the blueline on a major line change breakdown by Flyers. See image below.
- The other was a blueline shot vs San Jose yesterday where the #1 PP was out 5v5.

He struggles to create spontaneously, rarely can create while skating, cant create his own space and needs to have a stacked 5v5 line.... I thought this guy was a top playmaker?

He is quite easily the softest player in the league. Imagine if the entire roster just floated around and expected not to need to physically battle on the boards, or physically battle in front of the net for position?

This guy is terrible for team culture and sets a very bad example. I'd get rid of him for that reason alone.

 

[Zybalto]

Strange comment. Below are TB playoff stats, top 10 scorers from when they made finals 3 years in a row, winning the first two times. It's pretty clear that their big stats kicked ass while leading the team to victory, how anyone can say they took a back seat is a mystery to me.

Unlike TB, 3 of our big 4 suffer massive drop offs in production in the playoffs. When M&M both make more money than our bottom 2 line salaries combined, that's on them. M&M&JT, those are the top 3 guys on the shit list as far as I'm concerned, not sure why you keep going on about the depth guys.


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Not so strange when you look at the big games. Tampas big stars have barely any production in elimination games and it was Vasy and depth players that won it for them. Lots of 1-0 and 2-1 wins with lesser knowns getting the big goals. Series always get tight in those situations though and it was Kucherov and company that put them in position to win anyways so they played their part well. Do we have a Nick Paul on our team to come through in a big moment? Can Stolarz be our Vasy? Remains to be seen.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not so strange when you look at the big games. Tampas big stars have barely any production in elimination games and it was Vasy and depth players that won it for them. Lots of 1-0 and 2-1 wins with lesser knowns getting the big goals. Series always get tight in those situations though and it was Kucherov and company that put them in position to win anyways so they played their part well. Do we have a Nick Paul on our team to come through in a big moment? Can Stolarz be our Vasy? Remains to be seen.

The fact remains that M&M&JT suffer massive drop offs in playoff production, whereas the TB stars do not.

 

[666]

LMAO. Clearly they sucked last night, when the entire world agrees on that it's pretty obvious that that's exactly what happened. But do tell Einstein, you think they played well last night? Gelling just in time for the playoffs? Tell me how everyone's wrong and they actually played well. Go on, I'm listening.

You don't watch the games so no one cares about your opinion.

 

[ACC1224]

LMFAO, how would you even know, you don't watch the games. How can someone have any opinion of the game if you didn't see it. So funny.

It's like Tommy playing Pinball.

 

[Antropovsky]

I’m not sure what you’re arguing? The leafs don’t run a dman on their power play. They run 5 forwards. One of them has to assume the roles or responsibilities that a defenseman would have on that unit. That’s why Marner is back there.

Keefe has spoken about this before;

It’s also why they have him back there on other man advantage situations. I’m sure another part is he is more comfortable on the perimeter with time and space, I don’t think anyone can deny that either. But his role is there because of the coaches belief in his two way game. Maybe Berube has a different reasoning himself.

Why the Maple Leafs will try Mitch Marner as a defenceman

And now for something completely different: The Toronto Maple Leafs are toying with the idea of turning Mitchell Marner, the NHL’s First Team All-Star right wing, into a defenceman. Seriously.

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Mcdavid on Marner "Kinda plays high in the zone".

You keep trying to distract from the topic and say Marner is on the point on the PP.

Mcdavid himself said Marner plays high in the zone 5v5.

You cannot deny that Marner is always high in the zone 5v5, it has nothing to do with PP. He goes nowhere near the opposing teams net or into corners.

I'm looking forward to his highlight reel to be posted because it will show how often his assists are around the net.

 

[666]

It's like Tommy playing Pinball.

See me, feel me, touch me.
Gary truly is the Messiah as he can hate without even watching the games.

 

[Antropovsky]

You don't watch the games so no one cares about your opinion.

Haha, I’ve got a story that’s pretty similar.

Back during the Montreal playoff series, I made a comment during Game 2 saying we weren’t going to have success if Marner kept playing soft and sticking to the perimeter like he was. I also mentioned that while I catch most games, I don’t watch every second of every single one (honestly, who does?).

Anyways, @Dekes For Days kept jumping on me, saying I didn’t know what I was talking about and—oh, by the way—reminding me that the Leafs were up 3-1 in the series at the time, as if that proved his point.

Well, we all know how that series ended—and we’ve all seen how Marner’s postseasons have gone since. Tons of criticism for his lack of grit and unwillingness to play a playoff-style game.

Yep… Dekes was out here back then bragging that he knew more than me because he watches every game.

 

[666]

Yep..Dekes was bragging back then that he knew more than me because he watches every game.

Did you just admit that you don't watch the games?

 

[Maple Leaf]

No need to watch the games, waste of time, i can predict the future

 

[Antropovsky]

Did you just admit that you don't watch the games?

Do you watch every second of every single game? Do you think everyone here does?

 

[francis246]

LMAO. Clearly they sucked last night, when the entire world agrees on that it's pretty obvious that that's exactly what happened. But do tell Einstein, you think they played well last night? Gelling just in time for the playoffs? Tell me how everyone's wrong and they actually played well. Go on, I'm listening.

The leafs didn’t suck last night. Joseph Woll sucked last night and he sucked bad.

 

[Donnie740]

Just keep gelling ... you mean like last night?

You admittedly didn’t watch the game. How can you attempt to comment on something you didn’t actually see?

 

[666]

Do you watch every second of every single game? Do you think everyone here does?

Actually yes. I record all the games and have Prime for the others.

 

[francis246]

Mcdavid on Marner "Kinda plays high in the zone".

You keep trying to distract from the topic and say Marner is on the point on the PP.

Mcdavid himself said Marner plays high in the zone 5v5.

You cannot deny that Marner is always high in the zone 5v5, it has nothing to do with PP. He goes nowhere near the opposing teams net or into corners.

I'm looking forward to his highlight reel to be posted because it will show how often his assists are around the net.

I can’t deny it, but I don’t think it matters as much as your making it seem. He’s still effective, I’m sure if he moves lower he could put himself in much better positions to score . So I do agree with your point there, but I think we both know you trying to diminish his points because of the locations of last night, is you trying to stir up shit in this thread and being nothing more than a troll attempt tbh. Both were incredible plays. The location literally doesn’t matter. He put the puck on net in a great spot for JT to tip it home, he feathered a pass on the tape to Nylander. What was wrong with either?

 

[keonsbitterness]

I really doubt that first man back is even on the top 100 list of things to consider when designing a PP setup. In 50+ years of following hockey, this is the first time I've even heard anyone mention it. Maybe I've been missing out though who knows? Can you show me where this has been mentioned literally anywhere? I googled "first man back powerplay" and got absolutely nothing.

Also, if first man back was a consideration, I'm pretty sure you'd want him to be a Dman, that's for starters. And you'd also want some who is a fast skater, which also is not Marner. So someone to skate back quickly, and then play D.

What you want on the point mostly is someone who has good shot, not Marner. And someone who's good as keeping the puck in the zone at the blue line so again, a Dman.

I don't want to use the phrase "crock of shit", but I don't think this was a very well thought out post.

Rielly is the best d-man option based on offensive skill, but his shot is below average and he often wastes time looking for the perfect option instead of moving the puck quickly, which is the strategy the coaching staff seems to favour. If not Marner, who?

For us to win more playoff games, Marner HAS to find a way to score more goals.

So does the team in general. 26 goals in 14 playoff games (current Leafs run) won't get you to the promised land.

 

[arso40]

You Marner supporters love your straw man fallacy—focusing in on the powerplay when you know full well he's always "high in the zone" (se Mcdavids comment) and often standing on the blueline at 5v5. Also ignoring that Marner has taken serious heat for his distance from the net in the postseason and his unwillingness to play in the dirty areas in the playoffs.

Remember what Marner supporters were proclaiming early this year when Marner was involved in a few shoving matches, scored a couple goals in front of the net, and got into a few board battles?

"Junior Marner is back! It was Keefe holding him back!"

What has happened to those proclamations now that he's been old Marner for 99% of the games since? Still Keefes fault? Lol

I watched 12 mins of the 3rd period and Marner was the only player who attempted a between the legs play and he also once again tried to deke the puck into the net and had the puck stolen away - ruining a good scoring chance.

He tried a between the legs shot vs Flyers last game too. When's the last time any other Leaf tried a between the legs play? Let alone attempts in consecutive games.

Marner went 20 consecutive games without a primary assist. He finally has two in last two games against two bottom 5 nhl teams AFTER the trade deadline (most team tanking):

- One assist was near the blueline on a major line change breakdown by Flyers. See image below.
- The other was a blueline shot vs San Jose yesterday where the #1 PP was out 5v5.

He struggles to create spontaneously, rarely can create while skating, cant create his own space and needs to have a stacked 5v5 line.... I thought this guy was a top playmaker?

He is quite easily the softest player in the league. Imagine if the entire roster just floated around and expected not to need to physically battle on the boards, or physically battle in front of the net for position?

This guy is terrible for team culture and sets a very bad example. I'd get rid of him for that reason alone.

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Your very good at what you do hard to argue a lot of your points your an asshole on some of them but you support your claims