Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[GoonieFace]

You can't be bad in the playoffs if you are making 11 sheets. Expectations will be lower for Ehlers at the right AAV. Marner is overpaid for what he brings as it is. If the Leafs do not realize this at this point, they may as well keep selling f***ing jerseys and stop patronizing this loyal fanbase.

Sad part is they don’t realize this. They will cave and pay him handsomely. Maybe Marner will save them from themselves and walk away, but I doubt it.

 

[ToneDog]

Getting to the point that the Leafs are a hard pass from serious contender type players. Marner is radioactive here, forced his way here right now with his NMC and refusing to waive. Its over man. Coach just said they aren't responsive so thats it.

Not looking good today but they are not done, until they are done. I won't miss him if they lose to Tampa or Florida and he wants out.

 

[ToneDog]

Sad part is they don’t realize this. They will cave and pay him handsomely. Maybe Marner will save them from themselves and walk away, but I doubt it.

IMO Marner is walking if there is no playoff success. No way does he want to take the heat again and in no way should they run this rotten core back. This is not the National Pond Hockey League.

 

[JL17]

Draisaitl got 15.9%, and while he's a very good player, especially on the PP, Marner is a better player at 5v5 and and the PK. I don't think Marner is going to get 15.9%, but he will likely justifiably get in the 14-15% range. Many good teams would pay him that.

Yes, we should have pushed harder to sign Marner last offseason if it was possible, instead of playing these stupid games with one of the best players this franchise has ever had.

Yes it has. It just hasn't got us a cup yet. People need to learn the difference.

Nobody needs to go. That's an emotional reaction. Measuring "progress" strictly by round wins is shortsighted. Matthews, Marner, and Nylander all outperformed their contracts by a similar amount, and players don't get extra money now because they were worse when they signed a fair contract last time. That's still looking backwards anyway. This should be about what helps us the most going forward, and that's keeping Marner. And if we did have to get rid of somebody (we don't), that's keeping Marner over Nylander.

That won't necessarily make the depth scoring better and more consistent than what we've had though. It will just make it more expensive. Mid tier UFAs is where money gets thrown away. And even if you did make the depth better, it's still unlikely that the team overall is better, because you're losing a massively impactful piece of the team in the process.

But hey, if we had 3-5m for depth players, we could sign brand new tier of depth that we've never before experienced... Like Mikheyev! Oh wait we already had him... Like Bunting! Oh wait we already had him... Like O'Rielly! Oh wait we already had him... Like Kerfoot! Oh wait we already had him... Like Foligno! Oh wait we already had him... Like Engvall! Oh wait we already had him... Like Domi! Oh wait we already had him... Like Bertuzzi! Oh wait we already had him... Like Laughton! Oh wait we already had him... Etc.

And not only have we already had that calibre of depth, the rising cap is going to give us opportunities to sign these kinds of players in UFA without getting rid of one of our best players.

We have 8 forwards on 2m+ contracts. Of the 14 forwards that Florida used in the playoffs, 8 were on 2m+ contracts.

Marner and Driasiatl are not to be in the same conversation. Mitch can be a better Pker but Leon is breaking Gretzky records in the playoffs. The guy played a series on one leg and produced more than Marner has. Plus he’s won awards also.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner and Driasiatl are not to be in the same conversation. Mitch can be a better Pker but Leon is breaking Gretzky records in the playoffs. The guy played a series on one leg and produced more than Marner has. Plus he’s won awards also.

Anybody thinking Marner is in the same conversation with Draisaitl is dilutional or a flat out troll/shill and a waste of time responding to. Hell even some of the honest Marner fanboys will tell you this.

 

[The Shadow]

The only hope is that McDavid comes here next summer and they reset things around him

The future is already traded away. Thanks Brad

 

[Blanka]

IMO Marner is walking if there is no playoff success. No way does he want to take the heat again and in no way should they run this rotten core back. This is not the National Pond Hockey League.

I think they should consider letting him walk. The cap space is more important anyway. You'd be surprised what you can do with two players making $6 or $7m versus one player making $13m, especially if they're forwards.

 

[IPS]

Draisaitl got 15.9%, and while he's a very good player, especially on the PP, Marner is a better player at 5v5 and and the PK. I don't think Marner is going to get 15.9%, but he will likely justifiably get in the 14-15% range. Many good teams would pay him that.

Before you go running off with your dishonesty like you always do - Drai is making $8M this year, his current contract does not start until next year. He did not sign for 15.9% of a 88.5M cap. It's going to be whatever % of whatever the cap is next year.

Atleast obey your own standards you always try impose on everyone else.

 

[IPS]

Anybody thinking Marner is in the same conversation with Draisaitl is dilutional or a flat out troll/shill and a waste of time responding to. Hell even some of the honest Marner fanboys will tell you this.

Literally every Marner fanboy except 1 will agree with this.

What'd Drai just score goal #49 the other night? What's that now like 8 straight 100 point seasons? 104 points in 74 playoff games.

They're literally chasms apart.

 

[Anthrax442]

Many good teams would pay him that.

They can have him

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marner and Driasiatl are not to be in the same conversation.

They are much closer than people here want to admit. One is better at 5v5 and the PK. The other is better on the PP, while playing with arguably the best PP player ever; at least since Lemieux/Gretzky.

Before you go running off with your dishonesty like you always do - Drai is making $8M this year, his current contract does not start until next year. He did not sign for 15.9% of a 88.5M cap.

How ironic that you're falsely accusing others of dishonesty while being dishonest. Draisaitl is making 8.5m this year, not 8m. The cap is 88m, not 88.5m. Draisaitl signed a 14m contract under an 88m cap, which is 15.9%.

 

[IPS]

How ironic that you're falsely accusing others of dishonesty while being dishonest. Draisaitl is making 8.5m this year, not 8m. The cap is 88m, not 88.5m. Draisaitl signed a 14m contract under an 88m cap, which is 15.9%.

Lol we all know you applied a completely different perspective to the contracts Dubie signed. Rules for thee, but not for mee.

 

[thewave]

They are much closer than people here want to admit. One is better at 5v5 and the PK. The other is better on the PP, while playing with arguably the best PP player ever; at least since Lemieux/Gretzky.

How ironic that you're falsely accusing others of dishonesty while being dishonest. Draisaitl is making 8.5m this year, not 8m. The cap is 88m, not 88.5m. Draisaitl signed a 14m contract under an 88m cap, which is 15.9%.

I don't comprehend what you say, do, think or mean. Marner was asked to leave and said no. He is not welcome already. His game last night was one of the worst performances I have ever seen. He is lucky he wasn't booed off the ice.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Lol we all know you applied a completely different perspective to the contracts Dubie signed.

That's not true at all. Their cap percentages were also their cap hits relative to the cap they signed under, just like everybody else.

Marner was asked to leave and said no. He is not welcome already.

That's a pretty misleading interpretation of what actually happened. Toronto wants to keep him, according to everybody involved.

 

[thewave]

That's not true at all. Their cap percentages were also their cap hits relative to the cap they signed under.

Yes, that's clear.

That's a pretty misleading interpretation of what actually happened. Toronto wants to keep him, according to everybody involved.

... Mitch we want you to waive so we can trade you for Rantanen.

No.

Ok. We want to keep you, you are important to us.

Ok.


Only you take it that way Dekes

 

[Legion34]

Draisaitl got 15.9%, and while he's a very good player, especially on the PP, Marner is a better player at 5v5 and and the PK. I don't think Marner is going to get 15.9%, but he will likely justifiably get in the 14-15% range. Many good teams would pay him that.

Yes, we should have pushed harder to sign Marner last offseason if it was possible, instead of playing these stupid games with one of the best players this franchise has ever had.

Yes it has. It just hasn't got us a cup yet. People need to learn the difference.

Nobody needs to go. That's an emotional reaction. Measuring "progress" strictly by round wins is shortsighted. Matthews, Marner, and Nylander all outperformed their contracts by a similar amount, and players don't get extra money now because they were worse when they signed a fair contract last time. That's still looking backwards anyway. This should be about what helps us the most going forward, and that's keeping Marner. And if we did have to get rid of somebody (we don't), that's keeping Marner over Nylander.

That won't necessarily make the depth scoring better and more consistent than what we've had though. It will just make it more expensive. Mid tier UFAs is where money gets thrown away. And even if you did make the depth better, it's still unlikely that the team overall is better, because you're losing a massively impactful piece of the team in the process.

But hey, if we had 3-5m for depth players, we could sign brand new tier of depth that we've never before experienced... Like Mikheyev! Oh wait we already had him... Like Bunting! Oh wait we already had him... Like O'Rielly! Oh wait we already had him... Like Kerfoot! Oh wait we already had him... Like Foligno! Oh wait we already had him... Like Engvall! Oh wait we already had him... Like Domi! Oh wait we already had him... Like Bertuzzi! Oh wait we already had him... Like Laughton! Oh wait we already had him... Etc.

And not only have we already had that calibre of depth, the rising cap is going to give us opportunities to sign these kinds of players in UFA without getting rid of one of our best players.

We have 8 forwards on 2m+ contracts. Of the 14 forwards that Florida used in the playoffs, 8 were on 2m+ contracts.

1.) Draisaitl did not get 15.9%. He took 14 million when the 92.5 cap had already been gauranteed based on the escrow being paid putting him in the Matthews/mackinnon range of 15.1%. Since that time the NHL agreed to a 95.5 cap but comparing him to 88.5 is just ridiculous.

Marner would have been a 14% player probably in the pre Covid market. Now it seems like players of his ilk (should slot between Willy and pasta) are making 13-14. instead. Mitch should be above Willy based on history of production. But below pasta.

So 12.89 is a 13.5% aav which should be fair. That would be more than rantanen. They could do his stupid junior number thing.

12.93 or 13.16 x8.

Drai is a much better player and should be paid as such. Mitch waited and saw the cap
Rise so that’s a win for him. Comparing the two is kinda silly.

2.) the idea that Matthews/Marner and Nylander out performed their contracts by a similar amount is nuts. Matthews won 3 rockets a person a Lindsay and a hart. He is top 7 all time in goals by his age. Willy signed for 4 million less than Mitch. He out performed his contract way more by the end, but to be fair over the life of the contract his first year definitely pushed him down. Edge Willy. Mitch got paid more than he should but did live up to it basically. The other two well out performed it

Again. Willy 7 x 6, Auston 11.6 x 5 Mitch 9.25 plus his payback for his bonuses would have been fair. If he took 9.93 it would be different. 1 million off would have been fair.

3.) Mitch has reportedly by all accounts refused to engage in contracts. How do
They push harder? Benching? Cut ice time?

 

[Dekes For Days]

... Mitch we want you to waive so we can trade you for Rantanen.

Except that's not what happened... Waiving to trade was only if Marner had decided he wasn't re-signing, so they could get a signed Rantanen to mitigate the loss. Keeping Marner was always their preference.

 

[thewave]

Except that's not what happened... Waiving to trade was only if Marner had decided he wasn't re-signing, so they could get a signed Rantanen to mitigate the loss. Keeping Marner was always their preference.

Then they arent very intelligent. The correct answer was. We are not keeping you unless you sign now.

 

[ToneDog]

Leafs punted in round 1 and Rantanen hoisting the Cup as a Dallas Star in June would be so Leafy.

 

[Anthrax442]

 

[Anthrax442]

My god, he really should stfu

 

[thewave]

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Marners version of. Why so mad, it only game.

 

[Legion34]

Leafs punted in round 1 and Rantanen hoisting the Cup as a Dallas Star in June would be so Leafy.

Then that would mean Colorado would have traded him to knock them out in round 1.

 

[IPS]

I love the Knies interview right below. You got the terrible answers up top with Marner and then below you got the proper answers who redirect the questions towards themselves and how they can do better. Media ain't gonna be getting much headlines from Knies, he's a smart one.

 

[Sundinisagod]

That's not true at all. Their cap percentages were also their cap hits relative to the cap they signed under, just like everybody else.

That's a pretty misleading interpretation of what actually happened. Toronto wants to keep him, according to everybody involved.

You are manipulating the truth as usual.

Do you actually believe anyone is buying it ??