Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[arso40]

80pts in 64 games with an injured Matthews as his center.

Didnt Willy have similar numbers last year ?

 

[Gabriel426]

HES INJURED are you that ignorant bro you can clearly see his patent wrist shot isnt happening move past that the problem is there’s someone in the room that thinks he’s as good or better and wants to be paid as such it’s hard to lead when there’s someone else in the room challenging you leading only problem is if he wasn’t injured we’d be talking about what we should be talkin about which is the other player who it looks like has become a distraction it’s only a couple games so I can be blowing that out of proportion but Matthews looked good today despite only scoring once marner and jt didnt look good today and that coincides with playing with marner every line he was on didnt look good today

That’s the problem, he flips flops every other year.

On top of that, he is supposed to be our guy, our alpha, leading charge. Not someone looking at someone else to lead the team.

 

[Gabriel426]

He does it more than the rest of the core already. You can make Matthews a forechecker but then who's putting the puck in the net - Marner?

That's the problem. The team is built wrong and it's evident by people wanting arguably the best even-strength goalscorer of all time to be leading the forecheck instead of potting goals.

Even in the last minute, on dump ins Matthews is the one hustling to his corner to regain the puck. I don't get why people get this narrative that Matthews doesn't forecheck or take physical contact. Him and Tavares do it the most of the star players on this team.

Nylander is 50/50. He sometimes decides he wants to go into the boards, and the other half he'll just do that dumb circle back to avoid contact.

Marner - forget about it. You'll be lucky if he shoves the guy punching his teammate while he's on the ground.

Mack does the same thing and still scores and creates.

Let’s stop making excuses for AM. He is someone who constantly gets outplayed by lesser C in the playoffs.

Had he even dominated ONE playoffs series? He has been pretty much the 3rd best C in the past few regular seasons and yet he got outplayed pretty much every single series.

To me, he is proving he is a goal scoring version of Eichel with each playoffs than a goal scoring Mack. In that he needs players to do stuff for him instead of leading charge

 

[arso40]

That’s the problem, he flips flops every other year.

On top of that, he is supposed to be our guy, our alpha, leading charge. Not someone looking at someone else to lead the team.

I don’t think he’s looking for someone else to lead though Hes playing through injury and not even alluding to the fact he is injured I think that’s a good leader the support needs to be better that’s where my issue is

 

[Divine]

Mack does the same thing and still scores and creates.

Let’s stop making excuses for AM. He is someone who constantly gets outplayed by lesser C in the playoffs.

Had he even dominated ONE playoffs series? He has been pretty much the 3rd best C in the past few regular seasons and yet he got outplayed pretty much every single series.

To me, he is proving he is a goal scoring version of Eichel with each playoffs than a goal scoring Mack. In that he needs players to do stuff for him instead of leading charge

MacK is not even the forechecker on his line. He does it way less than Matthews. Just because he skates fast doesn't mean he forechecks. MacK is a rush player, not a forechecker.

I think you're confusing MacKinnon with Lehkonen.

 

[arso40]

MacK is not even the forechecker on his line. He does it way less than Matthews. Just because he skates fast doesn't mean he forechecks. MacK is a rush player, not a grinder.

I think you're confusing MacKinnon with Lehkonen.

Lehkonen would be the knies but your point still stands mac is nowhere near the forcheccer Matthews is Hes just a dog on a bone he plays like he juices Matthews needs a bit of that for sure the best Matthews has looked in the playoffs is away from marner and with domi

 

[Divine]

Lehkonen would be the knies but your point still stands mac is nowhere near the forcheccer Matthews is Hes just a dog on a bone he plays like he juices Matthews needs a bit of that for sure the best Matthews has looked in the playoffs is away from marner and with domi

I feel like people don't actually watch other players and just make up how they think they play.

This is the first time I've heard anyone call MacKinnon a forecheker, especially moreso than Matthews. MacK plays in the corners way less than Matthews. When he was playing with Rantanen and Lehkonen, both of them would forecheck while MacK waited near the faceoff circle or would wander to the blueline. MacK's game is closest in play style to Nylander. He likes to wait at the faceoff circles, rush in, and occasionally wander around the blueline for a one timer. He'll go to the net more often than Nylander but they play similarly.

People at this point just blame Matthews because they don't understand how other star players play and assume they're all doing everything when they're not. Matthews goes to the corner way more than most other star players, especially centers. I feel Leafs fans are spoiled because Sundin would go to the corners also so they just assume every star player does it. Lots of star players do it way less frequently than Matthews. You'll have some wingers that do it more often but in terms of centres Matthews battles as much as the best of them. Draisaitl does it a lot also, but Draisaitl is always late coming back for D. He'll always be caught in the corner and then coast back and be the last man back.

At this point people just take Matthews for granted. If he was on Florida, everyone would be saying we need a player like that to build around. Meanwhile they praise Eichel who's way softer because he joined a team that went to the SCF and added Pietrangelo and him to that already stacked team.

 

[arso40]

I feel like people don't actually watch other players and just make up how they think they play.

This is the first time I've heard anyone call MacKinnon a forecheker, especially moreso than Matthews. MacK plays in the corners way less than Matthews. When he was playing with Rantanen and Lehkonen, both of them would forecheck while MacK waited near the faceoff circle or would wander to the blueline. MacK's game is closest in play style to Nylander. He likes to wait at the faceoff circles, rush in, and occasionally wander around the blueline for a one timer. He'll go to the net more often than Nylander but they play similarly.

People at this point just blame Matthews because they don't understand how other star players play and assume they're all doing everything when they're not. Matthews goes to the corner way more than most other star players, especially centers. I feel Leafs fans are spoiled because Sundin would go to the corners also so they just assume every star player does it. Lots of star players do it way less frequently than Matthews. You'll have some wingers that do it more often but in terms of centres Matthews battles as much as the best of them. Draisaitl does it a lot also, but Draisaitl is always late coming back for D. He'll always be caught in the corner and then coast back and be the last man back.

At this point people just take Matthews for granted. If he was on Florida, everyone would be saying we need a player like that to build around. Meanwhile they praise Eichel who's way softer because he joined a team that went to the SCF and added Pietrangelo and him to that already stacked team.

His play style is more marner marners third man high nylander is usually first or second man on the forechecc if you watch the games but agree with Matthews 100 percent

 

[Leafs87]

I don’t think he’s looking for someone else to lead though Hes playing through injury and not even alluding to the fact he is injured I think that’s a good leader the support needs to be better that’s where my issue is

Marner isn’t looking for support money. He should the guy if they wants 14 mill.

 

[arso40]

Marner isn’t looking for support money. He should the guy if they wants 14 mill.

He’s not returning we already know that but it terms of salary Hes our 4th highest player, still high for a support role but that’s the case for this year put him with players that complement him away from Matthew and nylander I’m sure he’ll be much better in a secondary role gotta get use to life without him anyway