Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[thewave]

Makes him so much more loveable to the fans that already can't stand him.

MLSE just submarined his reputation with the ask to waive and saying he doesn't negotiate in good faith.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

The reason Marner didn't waive to go to Carolina is simple.

They're too cheap to meet his salary demands and he knows it. They couldn't meet Rantanen's and Marner's are rumoured to be higher. So Moneybags decided he'd stay where he struck gold once already.

Greedy, greedy greedy.

That's what this is all about. Doing whatever he can to extort the biggest payday possible. This guy is nothing but a snivelling little weasel and he even kinda looks like one too.

Treliving should have traded for Rantanen when he was up for grabs from Colorado.

Waiting last minute to try and ditch his own greedy malcontent was never gonna work. Treliving is a terrible GM who handled this situation as poorly as possible. At the end of the day Dallas got the best player available and the Leafs damaged their relationship with Marner even more.

If they plan on re-signing him now you can be sure the price just went up.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I think it is the shambles in his brain. Turning down $13m from the team that you say you want to stay with is strange. What exactly does this guy want that the Leafs refuse to give him?

I think he wants a 3 year term with that 13m then when he's 30 he'll sign 17m x 8.

 

[NVious]

MLSE just submarined his reputation with the ask to waive and saying he doesn't negotiate in good faith.

All 4 of the core are the exact same in every aspect.

Extremely greedy
Fantastic season players, mediocre playoff players
Soft, spoiled boring robots not dawgs in any sense

Fortunately we can hope for change this offseason, should've happened after Montreal, but it's Toronto so needless suffering is the norm.

 

[ToneDog]

Err, yes. They preferred the Stakoven package over ever dealing with Rantanen again. Might just be a fit issue but Rantanen was brutal with them. 2 goals, 6 points in 13 games for winger who isnt all that great defensively? 'Hell, Marner has 5 goals and 8 points in his last 6 games. Carolina traded for him to be a key piece of their team moving forward and he crashed out hard and put himself in a tight spot. It was both Carolina and Rantanen who share the embarassement. I don't think Marner (who has a history of working well with pretty much anyone and not just the league MVP) would walk away with egg on his face the same way Rantanen did. Forget the "Marner PR" stuff, the Rantanen PR machine is in full swing as a guy claiming to be worth 14+ gets cast off by 2 teams in one season (the only superstar ever really), ends up signing for 12 (in Texas mind you) and then has people sticking up for him somehow. I'm actually glad he found a home on a great team as I was kinda feeling for the guy. Had to bruise the ego a bit there.

Rantanen wanted nothing to do with Carolina. Tulsky completely blew it. They preferred Ranta but sure once he wanted out, they would have preferred anything over him.

 

[francis246]

The reason Marner didn't waive to go to Carolina is simple.

They're too cheap to meet his salary demands and he knows it. They couldn't meet Rantanen's and Marner's are rumoured to be higher. So Moneybags decided he'd stay where he struck gold once already.

Greedy, greedy greedy.

That's what this is all about. Doing whatever he can to extort the biggest payday possible. This guy is nothing but a snivelling little weasel and he even kinda looks like one too.

Treliving should have traded for Rantanen when he was up for grabs from Colorado.

Waiting last minute to try and ditch his own greedy malcontent was never gonna work. Treliving is a terrible GM who handled this situation as poorly as possible. At the end of the day Dallas got the best player available and the Leafs damaged their relationship with Marner even more.

If they plan on re-signing him now you can be sure the price just went up.

Carolina reportedly offered more than Dallas to Rantanen and he still said no. So as always. WRONG

 

[thewave]

I think he wants a 3 year term with that 13m then when he's 30 he'll sign 17m x 8.

I would give 13m x 3 no problem. The NMC is off the table. No NMC I would match Matthews 13.25m

The NMC is my problem. The player has value, we can retain for 3 years to get assets back which is what we need now

 

[Zybalto]

IMHO what I've seen from Marner in the playoffs over the last 8 years carries a lot more weight than his play in a couple of games on this all star team. I'd even go so far as to say that this should be obvious to anyone, and thinking that a couple of games with an all star team is enough to show that he's a different player now is pure insanity.

I'm not spinning anything here but since you seem to have missed the point, I'll spell it out for you. On this all star team, he's just one player among many and there is no more pressure on him than anyone else, in fact there's less pressure on him than there is on the best players like McDavid and Mackinnon. On the Leafs, he's one of the big stars, he's supposed to be a leader and play like he's the second best player on the team. To put it simply, there's pressure on him in that situation, the kind of pressure that didn't exist on that all star team and he has a history of folding under that pressure.

Superstar from games 1-86, then he becomes a middle 6 forward, that's what the last 8 years have shown us, Maybe this spring will be different but it doesn't seem likely and until he shows the world he's changed, expecting anything different is idiotic.

Still saying "all star team"? Its not a good look. Try a different talking point.

Legit as intense as any playoff series and the fastest hockey I've ever seen in my life. Hoping for a repeat at the Olympics.

Unless you want to fully blame Marner for special teams, Marner has been one of the best 5v5 players overall in the playoffs. He just has been. You may want it more backloaded but overall it remains the same. How would we replace him? Worried about 13.5 million over 11 million with the cap going up huge? Get rid of Domi's 3.75 million? Walk Tavares down to 5 million? The money stuff is petty considering how much we waste down the lineup. Where would you put the money? Theres gonna be a lineup around the corner to grab a two way all situations monster like him. Not a chance in hell we could ever replace what he brings IMO unless we can get really lucky.

...and you talk like he's somehow been a negative to the team in the playoffs. Can you name 5 players better than him even with expectations? The team has already taken a step back defensively this year, reverting to Babcock level D structure and losing Marner would be.....interesting to say the least. Do they even make the playoffs without him this season?

 

[Bust]

All 4 of the core are the exact same in every aspect.

Extremely greedy
Fantastic season players, mediocre playoff players
Soft, spoiled boring robots not dawgs in any sense

Fortunately we can hope for change this offseason, should've happened after Montreal, but it's Toronto so needless suffering is the norm.

We have options finally this summer.

Cap re-distribution is around the corner.

Rantanen is a great player - but I am happy we didn't land him. Or re-sign JT.

I'd love to see Ekblad signed this off season. With another stud added on D. Maybe sign an actual goalie who has some experience. Enough of this big 4 crap.

We have Matthews and Willy + 30mil in cap space and a fully locked up D core and platoon. That's an incredible base.

Build a team for once FFS.

 

[Bust]

I would give 13m x 3 no problem. The NMC is off the table. No NMC I would match Matthews 13.25m

The NMC is my problem. The player has value, we can retain for 3 years to get assets back which is what we need now

He likes control.

He asked for close to 14mil+ x 3.

15+ without that NMC.

 

[thewave]

He likes control.

He asked for 14+ x 3. 15+ without that NMC.

Lol no way. That's basketcase levels

 

[Gary Nylund]

Still saying "all star team"? Its not a good look. Try a different talking point.

Sorry that it bothers you so much but it's not a "talking point".

Legit as intense as any playoff series and the fastest hockey I've ever seen in my life. Hoping for a repeat at the Olympics.

I've seen more intense myself but it was pretty intense, sure.

Unless you want to fully blame Marner for special teams, Marner has been one of the best 5v5 players overall in the playoffs. He just has been. You may want it more backloaded but overall it remains the same. How would we replace him? Worried about 13.5 million over 11 million with the cap going up huge? Get rid of Domi's 3.75 million? Walk Tavares down to 5 million? The money stuff is petty considering how much we waste down the lineup. Where would you put the money? Theres gonna be a lineup around the corner to grab a two way all situations monster like him. Not a chance in hell we could ever replace what he brings IMO unless we can get really lucky.

Considering that after 86 games he turns into a middle 6 forward, I'm not too worried about replacing him.

...and you talk like he's somehow been a negative to the team in the playoffs. Can you name 5 players better than him even with expectations? The team has already taken a step back defensively this year, reverting to Babcock level D structure and losing Marner would be.....interesting to say the least. Do they even make the playoffs without him this season?

Wow. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking.

 

[HockeyVirus]

It has been heading down a dark path ever since it saw the light at the end of the tunnel. At no point did this organization have it's ducks in a row.

They ruined a good situation as soon as it arrived.

That's really going to be how this era is viewed which is just so damn Leafy. We honestly may never again get the tier of talent we have had at one time and will wonder how a decade of this had 1 playoff series win.

So easily preventable too

- Sign the stars a year in advance like every other team does when it was rumored Matthews would take 9x8 and Marner 8x8
- Be ready to trade Marner before his NMC kicks in because at that point the writing was on the wall very clearly

This era will have so many what ifs. I still wonder what happens if we make a franchise changing deal after the loss to the Habs and add either on D or elsewhere.

 

[Bust]

Lol no way. That's basketcase levels

Thats his agent my friend.

I believe it was 13.816 x 3?

He's going for every penny. If it's not a perceived over payment he would never have signed here before testing the market.

 

[thewave]

Thats his agent my friend.

He's going for every penny. If it's not a perceived over payment he would never have signed here before testing the market.

Well they are right to run him in the media about bad faith negotiations.

Most hilarious thing would be if all GMs unified and said we will not negotiate with Ferris.

 

[francis246]

Thats his agent my friend.

I believe it was 13.816 x 3?

He's going for every penny. If it's not a perceived over payment he would never have signed here before testing the market.

Where are you g we ting these numbers from?

 

[HolyCrap]

Lol no way. That's basketcase levels

Crazy thing is the Marnersites would be fine with that deal.

 

[ToneDog]

I would give 13m x 3 no problem. The NMC is off the table. No NMC I would match Matthews 13.25m

The NMC is my problem. The player has value, we can retain for 3 years to get assets back which is what we need now

No way is he not taking the same NMC they gave to 34 and 88 and no way Leafs do not give it to him.

 

[Bust]

Well they are right to run him in the media about bad faith negotiations.

Most hilarious thing would be if all GMs unified and said we will not negotiate with Ferris.

Its kinda the, "cant hate the player, hate the game" type deal.

Ferris is doing his job, it comes down to the person who employs a guy like that with his negotiation tactics. It is well documented.

Marner saw how last negotiation went and said, "ya, lets do that again." That is on Mitch.

 

[ToneDog]

We have options finally this summer.

Cap re-distribution is around the corner.

Rantanen is a great player - but I am happy we didn't land him. Or re-sign JT.

I'd love to see Ekblad signed this off season. With another stud added on D. Maybe sign an actual goalie who has some experience. Enough of this big 4 crap.

We have Matthews and Willy + 30mil in cap space and a fully locked up D core and platoon. That's an incredible base.

Build a team for once FFS.

If you sign Ekblad, you absolutely need to move Rielly.

 

[Bust]

Where are you g we ting these numbers from?

Kypreos reported as much about a month or 2 back.

 

[MarMarSab3]

NMC need to be abolished, if players want protection then a max 10 team NTC to every player as a compromise, management need to be protected from themselves

 

[Bust]

If you sign Ekblad, you absolutely need to move Rielly.

I am ok with that!

For better or worse, short of a cup - its time.

 

[ToneDog]

Thats his agent my friend.

I believe it was 13.816 x 3?

He's going for every penny. If it's not a perceived over payment he would never have signed here before testing the market.

Kyper said $13,8m one day after feeling the heat for saying Marner wanted Draisaitl money.

 

[AvroArrow]

I just don't think you can win with a guy who has this mentality. He's not team first, he cares way more about money and himself. He says he wants to be a Leaf but refuses to negotiate a deal and also refuses to be traded.

He wants to milk the team for as much cash as he can get. Elite talent no doubt, but I want guys that want to win a cup, not guys that want the biggest possible paycheque.

If he truly wants that 13M, it better be 13x8. If it's some bullshit like 13x3 let his ass walk, he's worth the money, issue is the mentality. I'm a true believer that you need competitive players that WANT to WIN as their primary goal.

You want the 13M Mitch ok cool, give us a long term commitment. We're trying to build a contender for years to come, not sign guys who keep signing for near max every couple years. Find someone else to be a sucker if that's what it is.