Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[francis246]

See. That’s the point. She wasn’t pregnant then. She is now. So he is doing that. He is asking ether to move if he wants to leave in the summer while pregnant and have a new born in a new country.

You would give up an extra year to make sure your team doesn’t looks assets? Teams don’t care about draft picks.

Would you take less money so they don’t have to drop players to fit you in?

It’s a bizzare move

What? You do understand most people don’t announce they are pregnant until they are months pregnant.

Also players don’t report to camp until late August early September. Baby will be here by the time they actually have to be in the new city. Marner lives in Toronto during the summers, I don’t expect that to change even if he does sign elsewhere.

 

[Confucius]

I hang out in Port Carling / Rousseau in the summer quite a bit. I’ve literally seen people harassing Mitch at TJ’s about hockey and things no player should ever have to deal with and it’s not a sight you want to see.

I would not be surprised to see him jet for an equal or lesser amount of money because of the toxic reaction he’s been disproportionately been receiving as a result of the team’s performance; irrespective of his own contribution to that.

This is just my opinion from what I’ve seen in person and online.

I feel bad but I also don’t based on how his team handled his last contract negotiation. When you open Pandora’s Box, this is often the trouble you run into.

He could have made his life a lot easier by simply just being a team player on the payroll side of things as much as he is on ice.

Let’s hope we can replace him with as much production as he gives us at $10.63M next year.

The savings will be more than 10.63, it will be whatever he signs for because that’s what it would have cost us. So 11 anyway.

 

[ToneDog]

Be prepared for Marner leaving
That's why I wasn't excited about giving up a 1st.
At least we have a rock solid defense minus MO, which if we don't do well in the playoffs he will be traded

He is only leaving if the Leafs do not cave and overpay him or he really wants to be here and comes down from his ask IMO. Again, he has turned down $13+m according to some of the insiders.

 

[Legion34]

Okay and? If he believes his best chance to win is Toronto then what? Which I truly think is the case. Carolina isn’t as good as Toronto, why would he go there? The west is insane, so unless it’s EDM, COL, DAL, he’s not winning. So I think it honestly comes down to, maybe he does want to leave but the money is going to be there regardless in the summer. If he wants to win now, his best opportunity is with Toronto who is battling for first in the East and if they can lock down first there would be no better path to a deep run. So it makes sense why he has chosen not to waive even if he does want to leave. It’s clear he doesn’t care about the 8th year.

Personally I think he’s joining McDavid in EDM on a short term deal

If he believes his best chance to win is in Toronto then why would he leave?

It’s not hard
1.) I want the best chance to win: ok if that’s Toronto, sign there. If it’s not waive to go where you think it is

2.) I want the most money I can get: ok. That’s an 8 year deal. If that’s in Toronto, then ok sign. If that’s not in Toronto. Then go there.

3.) I want stability to start a family: ok if that’s in Toronto. Ok sign. If that’s not in Toronto then go there in the summer before your wifi is pregnant.

4.) I don’t want to move last minute. Ok then why stay in Toronto to hopefully play in June, then rush to a decision July 1?

None of it makes sense. If you want to go, then go. If you want to stay then sign.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I don’t think he is leaving. Leafs will pay him. Run it back!

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

On Marner's draft day, who'd have thought this would've gotten so ugly 9 years later. Marner saying "I had a feeling something might happen" regarding being asked to waive for Carolina hints at a strained relationship with the team. I don't blame Mitch for feeling the toll of fan pressure. He had to endure Babcock and likely wanted a lot of cash to handle an ass for his boss. Not sure how he can argue that he deserve more than Rantenan other than taxes, but that's not something I care about. He'd be happier playing for a team like LA, and the Leafs should probably spend less than 24.5M on two wingers

 

[trellaine201]

Mitch to Carolina in the off season? I can’t see him staying. He might want a quieter market and where he can be more anonymous.

 

[Legion34]

What? You do understand most people don’t announce they are pregnant until they are months pregnant.

Also players don’t report to camp until late August early September. Baby will be here by the time they actually have to be in the new city. Marner lives in Toronto during the summers, I don’t expect that to change even if he does sign elsewhere.

Generally 3 months. Which would be September right? Still need doctors and care.

 

[francis246]

If he believes his best chance to win is in Toronto then why would he leave?

It’s not hard
1.) I want the best chance to win: ok if that’s Toronto, sign there. If it’s not waive to go where you think it is

2.) I want the most money I can get: ok. That’s an 8 year deal. If that’s in Toronto, then ok sign. If that’s not in Toronto. Then go there.

3.) I want stability to start a family: ok if that’s in Toronto. Ok sign. If that’s not in Toronto then go there in the summer before your wifi is pregnant.

4.) I don’t want to move last minute. Ok then why stay in Toronto to hopefully play in June, then rush to a decision July 1?

None of it makes sense. If you want to go, then go. If you want to stay then sign.

Things are not black and white unfortunately and as an athlete when you’re dealing with millions, it’s not this or that. Your situation is constantly moving and shaking.

I don’t get why you keep saying rush to a decision like millions of players haven’t done to UFA July 1 before. You’re acting like going to UFA is this big disruptive thing in someone’s life. You’re at home, while your agent fields offers, then you say yes to one. A few weeks later you go for a visit then the team helps you find a house, you go back to your summer house and then return when the team asks all the players to come to come camp.

It’s not, you sign July 1st and you gotta move the next day to the new city. It doesn’t work like that. The team and your reps basically take care of everything for you.

Secondly Marner doesn’t give a shit about 8 years. He’s never signed for 8 years. So I don’t think he’s concerned about whether he gets the 8th year or not. All signs point to him wanting a short term deal that aligns with the cap increase. So the money will be there from all teams in the summer regardless. He’s in the best possible situation he can be. A 3 year deal from the leafs or any other team will be there whether he walks or stays.

 

[ToneDog]

Mitch to Carolina in the off season? I can’t see him staying. He might want a quieter market and where he can be more anonymous.

He could have gone to Carolina if he agreed to waive. I give him rope if he refused to waive because Carolina is not a team or place he is willing to sign with. Rantanen could not get out of there fast enough.

 

[IPS]

Yeah I’m a Marner PR crew as an HFboards member that signed up when he was in Tyke hockey.

Wipe the foam off your mouth, ash whatever it was you just inhaled, drink some water, read what you just wrote and then try again.

It’s incredible how much the best player on the team can upset you so much.

Maybe re-evaluate your overall life and fandom towards the Leafs?

You used to fight me on Dubas, and you did a full 180 on that after I was proven 100% correct on that.

I would take a seat again, listen, and stop talking as you should have then also.

This seems kind of emotional, are you ok?

I don't think I ever fought you or anyone on Dubas either, pretty sure I was firmly in the fire Dubas camp after how he handled the contracts. Are you misremembering or something?

 

[francis246]

He could have gone to Carolina if he agreed to waive. I give him rope if he refused to waive because Carolina is not a team or place he is willing to sign with. Rantanen could not get out of there fast enough.

I think it’s Edmonton tone, they were willing to sign Rantanen. So if they had money for Rantanen, they have money for Marner.

Short term to Edmonton book it

 

[Legion34]

Things are not black and white unfortunately and as an athlete when you’re dealing with millions, it’s not this or that. Your situation is constantly moving and shaking.

I don’t get why you keep saying rush to a decision like millions of players haven’t done to UFA July 1 before. You’re acting like going to UFA is this big disruptive thing in someone’s life. You’re at home, while your agent fields offers, then you say yes to one. A few weeks later you go for a visit then the team helps you find a house, you go back to your summer house and then return when the team asks all the players to come to come camp.

It’s not, you sign July 1st and you gotta move the next day to the new city. It doesn’t work like that. The team and your reps basically take care of everything for you.

Secondly Marner doesn’t give a shit about 8 years. He’s never signed for 8 years. So I don’t think he’s concerned about whether he gets the 8th year or not. All signs point to him wanting a short term deal that aligns with the cap increase. So the money will be there from all teams in the summer regardless. He’s in the best possible situation he can be. A 3 year deal from the leafs or any other team will be there whether he walks or stays.

He signed for 6 because he wanted to set himself up for 8 at 28 instead of 30.

Most RFAs do that actually

Rantanen, Gaudreau, Willy, forsberg, Scheifle pasta Kadri, Tavares, all signed for 6 and signed for max term.

Same with Rielly

Stamkos, Kane, Toews, Crosby, Nash, kovalchuk, staal, all signed for 5 and went long term.

Most players want to get to ufa as fast as they can in normal markets. Covid and flat cap had people jumping.

6 years is the most common term for star/not superstar players who all signed long term after
Teams get nervous signing players long term at 31 outside of superstars.

Get your bag at 28.

 

[Legion34]

I think it’s Edmonton tone, they were willing to sign Rantanen. So if they had money for Rantanen, they have money for Marner.

Short term to Edmonton book it

Look at their cap. How? One person said it. CJ, Friedman etc never confirmed it

I think it’s LA tbh.

Edmonton has 14 million with bouch left to sign. Thats min 7 right there.

They have McDavid coming up. Even if they get rid of Kane it’s tough.

 

[IPS]

Was listening the the Leafs post game show last night and Bunkis and McKee talked about the situation. They pretty much echoed what I said yesterday but they also said it could be that he feels unappreciated by the fanbase and that there could some ego involved, and why he wants to be paid as much or more than Matthews. Ferris is not wagging the dog here. He is doing what Mitch allows him to do. If that were not the case, Bunkis and McKee said he is a grown man and should make his own decisions.

Marner PR crew, please don't tell me they are not worth listening to.

I don't measure being "appreciated by the fanbase" in alleged mean comments being directed at him when he's walking his dog (which I'm seriously skeptical about).

I think the appreciation really comes in the millions he's making in endorsements every year thanks to what the privilege of playing in Toronto entails.

 

[Smif]

I miss the old days of this board. Back in 07/08/09 this board was great. Great discussions, solid people. I remember people used to do ticket give aways on here, meet ups and everything, was legit a solid community. Post Bruins loss in 2013, this place became a hell hole man. Just unhappy people coming here to ensure others are unhappy.

Precisely how I feel, just incessant crying and complaining now. It's always 10+ pages after a loss and 3-4 after a win. That speaks volumes.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I live in toronto. Im not movkng to cerolinda or artic Edmonton so

 

[Kazparov]

I asked this question a month or two ago and only a few posters agree with me that maybe MM wants to walk.

It is his right to leave and also Leafs right not to sign him for whatever he is asking.

He wants to test free agency to max out his leverage. I think he'd stay here if the Leafs would bow to his wishes. And you can't blame him for trying because they certainly have a history of it.

 

[DarkKnight]

Precisely how I feel, just incessant crying and complaining now. It's always 10+ pages after a loss and 3-4 after a win. That speaks volumes.

It's a boring, toxic circle jerk.

I found it interesting that Marner was unfazed last night after all the drama. The fame ended up a mess, but he showed up.

 

[BallardEra]

"Mitch Marner’s voice quivered Saturday night inside Ball Arena as the biggest post-trade-deadline story in the NHL tried his best to stick to the script and give nothing-to-see-here non-answers to the most pressing questions."

Maple Leafs' Mitch Marner responds to Hurricanes trade pitch

Mitch Marner tried his best to stick to the script when facing questions about his future with the Maple Leafs Saturday night.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[ToneDog]

I think it’s Edmonton tone, they were willing to sign Rantanen. So if they had money for Rantanen, they have money for Marner.

Short term to Edmonton book it

I get wanting to play and win with McDavid and Daisaitl but it is Edmonton, which is not a destination for the best UFAs.

 

[francis246]

Look at their cap. How? One person said it. CJ, Friedman etc never confirmed it

I think it’s LA tbh.

Edmonton has 14 million with bouch left to sign. Thats min 7 right there.

They have McDavid coming up. Even if they get rid of Kane it’s tough.

I did the calculations with someone else in here, but they would need to bridge Bouchard and trade Kane and they could sign Marner

 

[francis246]

I get wanting to play and win with McDavid and Daisaitl but it is Edmonton, which is not a destination for the best UFAs.

As long as McDavid and Draisaitl are there Canadian born UFA’s will have no issues going there. Hyman went, Skinner went, Kane went. Players have gone.

 

[IPS]

Marners camp has been a problem from the beginning. I can tell you from very good information (take it or leave it) from the beginning that when the 3 stars came it was the marners who were the problem. Wanting to sell his own stuff with leafs logos for money etc.

I completely get that the schedule b bonus thing was an issue. I would be pissed too. But the way his agent went about it in the media was nuts. Matthews signed and Ferris and Paul both went on the news blasting the contract and how Mitch should be captain and he’s a “center who plays on the wing”.

Every day with the “dreger cafe” talking about how he will sign an offer sheet and go to Switzerland.

He tried to get Matthews money. Matthews is a top 6 all time goal scorer through 27. He is a hart/pearson 3x rocket winner. They aren’t comparable. Marner held out for every penny. He didn’t have to.

Willy got 7x6. Marner got 11 x 6. They are way more comparable (Marner is better. Should have got the rantanen plus bonuses).

He could have decided this summer. Now he’s being ridiculous. If you want to sign. Sign. If you want to leave. Leave.

We had Babcock way back in the day getting this kid to write lists that could compromise his relationship with teammates. Also had Lou withholding max bonuses on him too.

The previous oldheads of the organization even targeted this kid to a degree. Where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[thusk]

1- Absolutly nobody really know what Marner 100 % really want but they're some thing we can see

1- Marner had no need to say he still wanted to resign and stay Toronto but he did so i don't know why we should think he want to change city next summer

2- nobody know wich kind of contract he's really want, everything are just speculations even from insider. Rantanen was considerate like aguy who wanted 14M contract. Finally been traded and he said he was agree to take a discount to stay there and was shocked to finally sign a 12M

3- A good chance Marner will just do exemple what Stamkos did couple of years ago when everyone was hoping to see Stamkos signing in Toronto, he just watched what's market was looking without any interest to sign anywhere else than Tampa before winning cup they're and finishing to resign late in June. I personally expect the same thing here