Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[notbias]

True - recent performance is much less relevant than career. That's why Gretzky is still the best player available as FA.

Pointless and silly argument.

Ok, Marner is the most clutch player in the NHL, OT winner and then 2 points in the finals including setting up the game-winner, doesn't get much better than that, pay the man, those are his most recent results in big games.

 

[Confucius]

I think you are likely right that it will be a shorter-term, but it will be with the Leafs. The team will ultimately cave to whatever number/term gets him under contract. There is no circumstance under which they will let him walk.

What if you knew you could get McDavid the following season. Save the cap space and roll the dice, unless we get a deal too good to refuse.

 

[Evilhomer]

What if you knew you could get McDavid the following season. Save the cap space and roll the dice, unless we get a deal too good to refuse.

This isn't the NBA. The Leafs aren't going to let one of the best players in the league walk for nothing on the tiny probability that McDavid may be available a year later.

 

[Leaf Fans]

This isn't the NBA. The Leafs aren't going to let one of the best players in the league walk for nothing on the tiny probability that McDavid may be available a year later.

Probably not, but Marner may choose to leave on his own accord.

 

[Confucius]

This isn't the NBA. The Leafs aren't going to let one of the best players in the league walk for nothing on the tiny probability that McDavid may be available a year later.

But what if you knew you could get mcjesus and cap space isn’t nothing.
Nothing would be, Mitch moves on but we still have his cap hit.

 

[Hellcat]

The idea that just because a player doesn't get paid extra for the playoffs they don't factor in to his value is wild. The ignorance of some fans is astounding.

If I asked you to draw a line between two dots do you think you could do it?

So if the pay is only for the regular season can a player simply refuse to play any playoff games because he is not getting paid for it

Yep.

 

[The Shadow]

Probably not, but Marner may choose to leave on his own accord.

If it’s a first round loss the fans will lose it and I can see Marner being driven out

 

[francis246]

This isn't the NBA. The Leafs aren't going to let one of the best players in the league walk for nothing on the tiny probability that McDavid may be available a year later.

The decision is really out of the leafs hands. Marner is the one with UFA status, so unless he really wants to stay and the leafs are aware of that, he pretty much holds all the cards.

 

[notDatsyuk]

If I asked you to draw a line between two dots do you think you could do it?

The shortest distance between two puns is a straight line.

The decision is really out of the leafs hands. Marner is the one with UFA status, so unless he really wants to stay and the leafs are aware of that, he pretty much holds all the cards.

Exactly - another Dubas Disaster.

 

[The Shadow]

Just like Vladdy he should have been extended last summer before the price went up

 

[francis246]

The shortest distance between two puns is a straight line.


Exactly - another Dubas Disaster.

Agreed, it’s a shame that Dubas and Shanny decided to spend the 2023 off season arguing over control instead of making a move. I’ve posted the Jonas seigal article a few times but Marner had prepared for 2023 to be his last as a leaf. There is no question in my mind that he believed he was getting traded after the Florida series. Leafs really missed the mark there. We could have made a really solid trade to help balance out the line up. I know we wanted him gone after MTL, but I think his value was definitely higher after Florida. Montreal was bad bad.

But what do I know? I’m just a Marner mouthpiece.

 

[banks]

What is your walk away number for Marner ?

I wouldn't flinch to pay him in the 12-13 range. I think the number will land below Matthews' 13.25 million.

I don't see how his camp can make a case for 14. So somewhere between 13 and 14 is where I'd consider walking away. But there's lots I don't know with the cap increases coming up.

 

[Divine]

The Leafs may finally be forced to walk away from him, which is great.

I think Marner is going to realize his value around the league isn’t what he thinks it is.

 

[banks]

The Leafs may finally be forced to walk away from him, which is great.

I think Marner is going to realize his value around the league isn’t what he thinks it is.

It's not his value around the league that's important. It's his value to just one GM.

If Marner just wants money, then he'll have no problem finding one GM desperate for talent that will pay him what he wants. 'Value around the league' be darned.

 

[Divine]

It's not his value around the league that's important. It's his value to just one GM.

If Marner just wants money, then he'll have no problem finding one GM desperate for talent that will pay him what he wants. 'Value around the league' be darned.

That’s fine, but it’ll be difficult to win overpaying your players.

I’d walk away from him. Get someone who can score goals. Get multiple goal scorers. Everyone assumes we’d be a worst team without Marner, maybe, but maybe not.

I would offer him to Carolina for Rantanen retained. If Rantanen doesn’t want to sign there it would at least give us some time to determine if he would fit better here. Otherwise, look for value players and go for short term contracts and see what happens with McDavid’s UFA.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I know we wanted him gone after MTL, but I think his value was definitely higher after Florida. Montreal was bad bad.

But what do I know? I’m just a Marner mouthpiece.

You think Marner as a pending UFA has more trade value than Marner under contract for 4 years? Seriously?

Yes Montreal was "bad bad", 4 points in 7 games is unimpressive to put it mildly. The last two series Marner's played he has 6 points in 14 games, would you care to explain how 6 points in 14 games is a marked improvement over 4 points in 7 games?

You're not making any sense here whatsoever.

 

[banks]

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I’d walk away from him. Get someone who can score goals. Get multiple goal scorers. Everyone assumes we’d be a worst team without Marner, maybe, but maybe not.

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I don't think you can get multiple goalscorers with that money as easily as you think. People are suggesting Brock Boesser gets 8.5 or 9 on his next deal. He's hit 40 goals once, never over 30 any other year. Are we better with him and a 3-4 million guy? I doubt it.

Back in the day VanRiemsdyke and Bozak made 8 mill combined when the cap was 70 million. It was like %12 of the Cap. If Mitch extends for 13, with the cap next year at 95.5, that's %13.6 of the cap.

Would you pick Marner, or the next Bozak JVR cobo? And before you say "those guys were overpaid" they both got raises elsewhere when they left.