Marner is smart so he can play anywhere but I feel like him n Matthews aren’t a fit n haven’t really been for a while Matthews should have heavy wingers that line should be bullying look at him n knies yesterday
Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again
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To some extent, but those are the SV%s against their entire teams, not against the individual, so the individual would only represent a fraction of the overall. And if you're having these big team-wide swings in conversion contrary to a bigger, more representative sample, you're likely looking at goaltending impacts. It also wouldn't be impacted by the shot generation aspect of scoring; only conversion. As you can see, both 0.909 and 0.888 goaltending produced players that achieved ~1.10 P/GP. Both 0.885 and 0.911 goaltending produced players that achieved ~1.03 P/GP. Both 0.893 and 0.922 goaltending produced players that achieved ~0.87 P/GP.
This doesn't mean, for example, that you ignore McDavid's production. 1.51 P/GP against goalies is insane, even if you're facing 0.896 goaltending. But it should help people understand that playoff production isn't so black and white, and situation can really impact things. Eichel producing 1.03 P/GP against 0.885 goaltending isn't really more impressive than Ovechkin managing 0.93 P/GP against 0.918 goaltending. Matthews and Marner being in the top 20 despite averaging facing 0.922 Vezina caliber goaltending isn't the catastrophe some treat it as.
Should have kept Marner/Matthews out of the tournament so we could have won the last two games...
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I can only offer that it seems to me that it's baked intothe MLSE mission statement that you don't ever trade away top talent.
I think I recall Dubas once repeated that very statement - Not sure if it was before or after their 6th straight first round exit?
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robertmac43
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I agree 100%. Go all in on this year and see what happens. Potentially going to have plenty of cap space to reinvent the team come the offseason.
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Sorry if it’s been said already but the Leafs should absolutely use baby Marner as a negotiating tactic. “If you want to raise your child with their grandparents then you’re not making 13M”. You don’t even need to bring it up, so long as they hold strong on a number Marner will come to that realization.
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Savage lol.
I guess it's better than old school soccer where if they don't you know, do it, they get to go for a ride.
In all seriousness they do have some leverage on him.
"I think I can move my parents and my wife's parents or fly them out every week to wherever I play with the extra $2 million a year plus the tax savings, thanks"
I don't think it'll factor in much.
I think the fact that he was a diehard Leafs fan growing up and probably loves playing for his hometown team despite the the lunatic fans will likely have a bigger impact.
We already went through the negotiation song and dance with him before and it seemed like being a "diehard leaf fan growing up" had precisely zero impact on his willingness to give the Leafs any sort of deal.
I have my theories of why the number was higher and Babcock isn't here, and the bonuses Lou lied to him about have been handled.
We will see if he takes any sort of discount or even just market rate, but I also don't expect every player to take a discount, the last star that did, everyone hates and complains he is overpaid, so may as well take the most you can if people are going to complain anyway.
I think he wants to continue playing here and will get a deal done.
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I can't believe the negativity on this board when it comes to Marner. The guy is one of the most entertaining players in the whole league. His coaches love him. He gets more points than almost any Leaf I've ever gotten to watch. He can hold his own on the defensive side, even playing the PK. He makes players around him better. And he loves being a Maple Leaf.
Isn't this the kind of player to pay for?
I get that the team hasn't had playoff success. I agree that it's a problem. But you'd think that Marner was some scrub who signed a big contract and then quit on the team, based on the amount of hate from HFLeafs. I hope they extend him. Even if it's a bit of an overpay, I quite frankly don't care. Some teams have to deal with disaster contracts for 4 or 5 million on players who contribute nothing. I'm fine with some extra cap space going to legit all-star level talent.
Isn't this the kind of player to pay for?
I get that the team hasn't had playoff success. I agree that it's a problem. But you'd think that Marner was some scrub who signed a big contract and then quit on the team, based on the amount of hate from HFLeafs. I hope they extend him. Even if it's a bit of an overpay, I quite frankly don't care. Some teams have to deal with disaster contracts for 4 or 5 million on players who contribute nothing. I'm fine with some extra cap space going to legit all-star level talent.
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I believe Marner hasn’t been signed because the Leafs don’t want to pay him more than Matthews. The only compromise I can see is a short term deal ie 13m x 3 years. It will ruin our chances of a cup again. Best to let him walk and start establishing a culture that prioritizes winning over money.
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One wants $6m more than the other. Which one would you take at their cap hit and which one is the true "brat"?
If marner camt make up his mind by now he has no interest in being fair with the leafs
The leafs have some leverage of indeed hed loke to stay in toronto he ll sign
Do we get to bring up playoff points now or is that only when we are talking about how much Marner sucks? Bratt is under 0.5PPG.
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Yeah let’s overpay him again. Then do the same for Tavares. Then Knies is going to want an overpayment as well. Then Matthews will be up again for another overpayment. The lower end guys making a million can shave off 100k or so from their deals. Will make for a great culture. It’s worked out great so far let’s keep it going.
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One non ENG since Dec 27. What 20 goal small, soft playmaking winger is earning $14m? The Avs just traded Ranta the bigger, better playoff performer, multiple100 point seasons, one SC, 50+ goal scorer because they did not want to pay him more than $11.75m. The Marner camp needs to get their heads out of the clouds and realize their boy is worth what they think he is. Once again they are the problem. Leafs are offering $13m which is an overpayment.
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Was it better when the team had no talent to overpay? Back then they spent high dollars on those low end guys like Jeff Finger and Colby Armstrong. Was that a winning culture?
You could be stingy with everyone. Then you'd have a team that no one wants to play for and bleeds talent every year.
I'm not saying that if I was at the negotiating table I'd hand him a blank cheque. Of course I want the extension to be team-friendly. But letting Marner and Tavares walk just for cap space doesn't set this team up for a Cup win any time soon.
