Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Antropovsky]

The thing is, Marner can control a game. The problem with him isn't necessarily top end ability to be a difference maker, it's the fact that he's gotten neutralized in big moments and his ability to step up has been called into question... but yeah, if you want to define him based on Mackinnon, McDavid, Crosby I don't think he's at their level.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.

- In the 4nations. He had 1 great game and 1-3 meh games. There is a reason he was demoted. One game doesn't change history.

He hasn't had a 100 point season and with each game this season creeps closer to being just 100 point player or less. Meanwhile Kucherov is once again pacing over 120. Additionally Marner has just 7 5v5 goals.... tying him with a boatload of players between 173rd-216th in the league (a list that includes Nick Robertson).

When is the last time any Leaf said..
Wow Marner looked dominant that game?

 

[Antropovsky]

It's more of a mental block than a skill problem is what I'm saying.

He does lack significant skills though. He lacks speed and stength and a hard shot. Cooper acknowledged this too.

No matter what his mental performance, he will never be fast, strong or have a hard shot. Unless he trains and miraculously improves at the age of 27+.

 

[Antropovsky]

I don't think that's clear at all. But whether it's a mental block, style of play or whatever else. it's been a problem for a very long time. Considering that his first long term deal that made him one of the highest paid players in the world is almost over and he still hasn't figured it out, giving him another mega deal until he shows that he has figured it out is pure insanity.

Unanimously most were not impressed with his performance games 1-3 of the 4nations. He was demoted by the coaching staff in that span, despite scoring the gwg in game 1.

He had two great assists in the final... one game... the gw assist being an assist with McDavid on a set motion offense. This beinf a series that replaced the all star game (where nobody knew if player would treat it like an allstar game or a playoff series) and now suddenly some think that the one USA game changes the past (which has significant amount of games, spanning years).

 

[Dekes For Days]

Out of respect for Johnny Gaudreau's memory, can you try not to speed bag his career to make Marner look superior? It's extremely unnecessary. Some topics really don't require the extra Dekes context, eh.

It's not speed bagging a player's career to acknowledge facts about them. He was a very good player. Just not comparable. I'm fine moving on to other topics, but you probably should be asking IPS, since he is the one who brought him up, not me.

 

[Stephen]

It's not speed bagging a player's career to acknowledge facts about them. He was a very good player. Just not comparable. I'm fine moving on to other topics, but you probably should be asking IPS, since he is the one who brought him up, not me.

Sounds like he’s willing to stop so let’s agree to leave Johnny Hockey alone and move on.

 

[arso40]

Robbie and domi feeling steeves and holmberg pressure great work

Ffs

 

[Maple Leaf]

Robbie and domi feeling steeves and holmberg pressure great work

Ffs

yep they need to pick it up or they can pack their bags

 

[leafan11]

McKenzie said during the intermission he thinks Mitch is going to test free agency. That’s pretty big news, even being semi retired McKenzie knows his stuff. He’s gonna give up money losing the 8th year on the contract.

 

[Maple Leaf]

McKenzie said during the intermission he thinks Mitch is going to test free agency. That’s pretty big news, even being semi retired McKenzie knows his stuff. He’s gonna give up money losing the 8th year on the contract.

Marner's camp seems like they are all about money so doesn't surprise me

 

[arso40]

Marner's camp seems like they are all about money so doesn't surprise me

How do we feel about this guys?

 

[notDatsyuk]

It has nothing to do with value. Players salary is for regular season, they are not paid for the playoffs. The ignorance of some fans is astounding.

The idea that just because a player doesn't get paid extra for the playoffs they don't factor in to his value is wild. The ignorance of some fans is astounding.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner's camp seems like they are all about money so doesn't surprise me

Nah he knows this core is not winning a SC so needs to find one that can with him. Maybe Dubas has soft tampered with him. Imagine Sid, Geno, EK65, Mitch and Bunts. Lol

 

[Dekes For Days]

Which playmaking wingers have gotten contracts in that range?

Isolating playmaking wingers needlessly limits the list, but the closest and most recent examples that fit your criteria would be Panarin and Kane.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nah he knows this core is not winning a SC so needs to find one that can with him. Maybe Dubas has soft tampered with him. Imagine Sid, Geno, EK65, Mitch and Bunts. Lol

Might make the playoffs.

 

[francis246]

McKenzie said during the intermission he thinks Mitch is going to test free agency. That’s pretty big news, even being semi retired McKenzie knows his stuff. He’s gonna give up money losing the 8th year on the contract.

I think it’s safe to assume Marner may not be looking for a long term contract. And I called this, probably worst case scenario for the leafs. Everyone talking about the leafs controlling the decision, but it takes two tango. A lot of people dismissed the fact that Marner may want to walk. I’ve maintained the longer it goes the more curious a player probably gets about the grass being greener. You also have to assume a lot of lobbying was going on at 4 nations lol

How do we feel about this guys?

I think it’s a pretty dumb take as per usual. Marner would be losing out on money going to UFA. It just seems like there’s a possibility he’s ready for a change if shit goes sideways in the playoffs.

 

[Racer88]

If Marner gets 14 million. Then the leafs will be paying 39 million for Marner, Matthews, Nylander for the next 3 years. Then of course Matthews gets another raise at beginning of 2028 season.

And Florida paying 27.5 million for Barkov, Reinhart, M.Tkatchuk until at least 2031.

Until at least 2030-2031

If the cap goes up to 120+ million as it is predicted around 2028, that would put Matthews contract around 18 million at 15%.

So... at the beginning of the 2028 season the leafs would be paying Nylander, Matthews, Marner roughly 42.5 million, while Panthers will still be paying Barkov, Reinhart, Tkatchuk 27.5 million. $15 million difference lol.

Yup and scenario like that are exactly why the Leafs have been a losing team for so many years years

 

[Stephen]

McKenzie said during the intermission he thinks Mitch is going to test free agency. That’s pretty big news, even being semi retired McKenzie knows his stuff. He’s gonna give up money losing the 8th year on the contract.

If Marner Camp can't let a week go by after the 4 Nations and enjoy the afterglow, have to put pressure on the situation by leaking vibes the media, this is Exhibit A why he's so contentious in Toronto. If you want to go test the market, go test the market.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think it’s safe to assume Marner may not be looking for a long term contract. And I called this, probably worst case scenario for the leafs. Everyone talking about the leafs controlling the decision, but it takes two tango. A lot of people dismissed the fact that Marner may want to walk. I’ve maintained the longer it goes the more curious a player probably gets about the grass being greener. You also have to assume a lot of lobbying was going on at 4 nations lol

I think it’s a pretty dumb take as per usual. Marner would be losing out on money going to UFA. It just seems like there’s a possibility he’s ready for a change if shit goes sideways in the playoffs.

If it's safe to assume that Marner may not be looking for a long term contract, saying he'd be losing money be going to UFA seems like a pretty dumb take to me.

I think it's quite likely that he's not looking for a long term contract. He didn't want one last time, why would he want one this time when all signs point to the cap going way up? If making money is the priority, going to UFA is the obvious move.

 

[All Mod Cons]

If Marner Camp can't let a week go by after the 4 Nations and enjoy the afterglow, have to put pressure on the situation by leaking vibes the media, this is Exhibit A why he's so contentious in Toronto. If you want to go test the market, go test the market.

He may actually end up in Davos.

 

[francis246]

If Marner Camp can't let a week go by after the 4 Nations and enjoy the afterglow, have to put pressure on the situation by leaking vibes the media, this is Exhibit A why he's so contentious in Toronto. If you want to go test the market, go test the market.

This could also be the leafs leaking this as well to crank up pressure for him to sign. We don’t really know who’s leaking that to Bob.

 

[Stephen]

This could also be the leafs leaking this as well to crank up pressure for him to sign. We don’t really know who’s leaking that to Bob.

Don't see the advantage from the Leafs side to leak that scenario.

 

[francis246]

Don't see the advantage from the Leafs side to leak that scenario.

Teams leak stuff all the time to put pressure on players. It goes both ways. Look how quick you were like, let him go test UFA. Both teams and players are fighting to win the PR battle and control the narrative.

 

[Ulysses31]

Marner's camp seems like they are all about money so doesn't surprise me

Marner's camp wont accept a penny less than rantenen guessing. Money a big part of it for Marner but think having that gaudy AAV. marner camp guessing would rather have 15x7 that 14x8, even tho 14x8 for that gotti gotti AAV

 

[arso40]

I think it’s safe to assume Marner may not be looking for a long term contract. And I called this, probably worst case scenario for the leafs. Everyone talking about the leafs controlling the decision, but it takes two tango. A lot of people dismissed the fact that Marner may want to walk. I’ve maintained the longer it goes the more curious a player probably gets about the grass being greener. You also have to assume a lot of lobbying was going on at 4 nations lol



I think it’s a pretty dumb take as per usual. Marner would be losing out on money going to UFA. It just seems like there’s a possibility he’s ready for a change if shit goes sideways in the playoffs.

I agree I don’t think hes testing free agency soo much as his agents up to his old shenanigans

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Again.. Noone's comparing Drizzy and Mitch except you. And even in that example, Drizzy signing for 14 on a cap of 88 = 15.9% of the Cap!! Tops in the league. Nobody's suggesting that for Mitch, outside of mayyybe Dekes.

Dream for Leafs is:
$12.5 x 8 = 100M !!!
$12.5 = just 13.1% of $92.5 Cap

That 13% is in the LOW end of NHL Prognosticators and chatgpt projections, where the range for Mitch should be set at between 13% to 14.9%.

15 % er's are reserved for McD, Matty and Nate and Drai.

Every other lowballer example below this range is an old anomaly, a terrible agent, or a player that formerly had baggage of some kind. Ignore 'em.

12.5 x 8 would be an absolute bargain at this point. but don't worry, if he actually signed that contract, there would be certain types saying "so now he thinks he's as good as McDavid?"