Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Zybalto]

There are like 30 pages of fan-boyism for Marners next big deal and you are saying the counter argument is a problem?

Why is everyone trying to get marner paid?! You like Holmbergs and Domi's over real good depth?

I don't get it

Exactly what Im talking about right here.

You see everything in terms of "Oh no, Marner's going to get paid because he did really good. We have to downplay it."

I'm just trying to enjoy the moment....and reality. Marner did well at the 4 nations. Its a good thing for the Leafs. I want them to win the cup this year, even if its his last year here. Matthews did really well too. Nylander looked good as the tourney went on. This is all good news. Lets celebrate their success. Comparable players were a dogs breakfast. Rantanen was a ghost. Pettersson was a feeble child out there. Connor was so bad they would rather have Brock Nelson in their lineup. Matthews looked to be carrying the corpse of Jack Hughes around the ice. many other examples. I have no problem being critical. Marner had his bad moments as well. He was playing too passive and fighting the puck a bit the first 2 game, despite the big OT winner. Once he got settled in though, he was a beast. Literally thrown on McDavids line in the biggest game of the year to get McDavid the winner and it worked....after he setup the tying goal to get them to OT.

...and no, I don't want Domis (Against that stupid contract from the start) and Holmbergs (I dont give a crap if Marner likes him, kick him to the curb). Those are just examples of replaceable players...well maybe not Domi as no one would take that garbage contract. 2 more of those and its almost a Marner eh?

 

[Antropovsky]

Didn't Boston execute a set play to eliminate us last year? That is what hockey is, strategy, the team that executes best wins. He kinda did create it, he had to move multiple steps to his right once he received the puck to find the passing lane, not every player is that agile and that smart with the puck, to think that quick and have the stones to make that pass. that pass is just inches to the right and the puck is easily intercepted, and it's a 3 on 1 break away for the US.


My guess is because he knows there are a lot of fans who dont really know hockey as much as they think they do.

You do realize these guys have been playing hockey as a career their entire lives? No that is not a difficult pass for an NHL player. 3.5 million Domi makes that pass with his eyes closed.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

I hope leafs give Marner 15 million just to see you and antro lose it. Would be well worth it.

I hope he gets 15 million a year to watch HF burn. Can you imagine what would happen on the main boards if he signs for 15 sheets? It would be glorious.

 

[Zybalto]

There are like 30 pages of fan-boyism for Marners next big deal and you are saying the counter argument is a problem?

Why is everyone trying to get marner paid?! You like Holmbergs and Domi's over real good depth?

I don't get it

Diminishing reality isnt a counter argument against a contract.

LMAO.. "A real nutter" ... quite possibly the post of the Year? LOL a real nutter.... love it.

Im not trying to be mean either, I'm just in disbelief that its like nothing happened. He could have deked through the whole team himself and scored the winner and they would find a way to downplay it. Expected some crow to be had but nope.

Think about that. The page for the Leaf that rose to the occasion for team Canada on the Leafs board is just littered with negativity the day after he does it. It's pseudo religious at this point. PTSD from all the 1st round losses and Marner is their avatar.

I hope he gets 15 million a year to watch HF burn. Can you imagine what would happen on the main boards if he signs for 15 sheets? It would be glorious.

 

[Antropovsky]

Log off man.

You're too invested.

There's no way and no real reason to work this hard diminishing someone who did this well.
Theres everything to like about last night as a Leafs fan, a team Canada fan and a hockey fan.
Ive seen Habs fans saying Marner should have won MVP of the tournament.

To continue to attack him the way you are makes you look like a real nutter.

Even if you cant saying anything nice about him, just take a break for a day. Let the rest of us enjoy his accomplishments.

I wasnt gonna comment alot, but then the select bunch of you wanted to mock and laugh at my post and act childish as usual, so I decided to summarize how embarrassing your posts are. Here they are in all their glory:

Your opinions:... he was amazing all tourny!!

The truth:. The coach demoted him for 1.5 out of 4 games.

Your opinions: being demoted is a good thing because then you can be promoted duh!!

Truth: That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

Your opinions: .... he created that goal!

Truth: No that was a set play, Mcdavid said it's himself.

Your opinions: .... but that basic hockey pass only elite players can make!!!

Main board is divided on his overall performance too but entering the final game, majority agreed he wasn't good and many thought he should be scratched. Take the Marner glasses off.

 

[francis246]

You guys are ridiculous, its laughable you are trying to spin a demotion to a 3rd line as a good thing. It's mind boggling stuff.

In the same breath, it’s laughable that you’re spinning a coach making an adjustment after a loss as a “demotion” as if Marner couldn’t possibly work his way back up the lineup.

The only person spinning is you as per usual.

 

[Antropovsky]

In the same breath, it’s laughable that you’re spinning a coach making an adjustment after a loss as a “demotion” as if Marner couldn’t possibly work his way back up the lineup.

The only person spinning is you as per usual.

Going from Mcdavids line to Mack's line isn't a demotion.... he went from Mcdavids line to Hagel and Cirelli and his mins were reduced.


Why is him being moved down an adjustment but you all are arguing that being moved up in game 4 a promotion? How could he have been promoted if he wasn't demoted?

You guys are a waste of time lol.

 

[Evilhomer]

It's interesting to see how this has played out. In the summer, a few people said that as the season went on fans would be pushing for the Leafs to sign marner, and that now seems to be the case. I imagine he will end up signing for under $13 million and the vast majority of the fan base will love it. I think it will end up being the right decision by the Leafs.

 

[francis246]

... he went from Mcdavids line to Hagel and Cirelli and his mins were reduced.

Going from Mcdavids line to Mack's line isn't a demotion.

Why is him being moved down an adjustment but him being moved up in game 4 a promotion?

Bro, do you ever stop? In the grand scheme of things WHO CARES. Canada won and Marner played great. That’s a win win for anyone who actually gives a shit about the leafs and is Canadian!!! Just stop with the negativity.

I really want to know why you have such an extremist view when it comes to Marner. There has to be a legit back story to why you hate him so much. Cause it’s not registering for me, it can’t be the contract alone. Not even trying to troll, but did you have a bad encounter with him or something?

 

[thewave]

It's interesting to see how this has played out. In the summer, a few people said that as the season went on fans would be pushing for the Leafs to sign marner, and that now seems to be the case. I imagine he will end up signing for under $13 million and the vast majority of the fan base will love it. I think it will end up being the right decision by the Leafs.

The right decision will always be measured by the Cup. The big silver Cup. No Cup, no content.

 

[Antropovsky]

Bro, do you ever stop? In the grand scheme of things WHO CARES. Canada won and Marner played great. That’s a win win for anyone who actually gives a shit about the leafs and is Canadian!!! Just stop with the negativity.

I really want to know why you have such an extremist view when it comes to Marner. There has to be a legit back story to why you hate him so much. Cause it’s not registering for me, it can’t be the contract alone. Not even trying to troll, but did you have a bad encounter with him or something?

Then shut up and stop saying stupid things... like he wasnt demoted (he was everyone knows he was).

He had a good game 4, he was meh in game 1 through 3.

As others noted, now the test is playoffs.

 

[francis246]

It's interesting to see how this has played out. In the summer, a few people said that as the season went on fans would be pushing for the Leafs to sign marner, and that now seems to be the case. I imagine he will end up signing for under $13 million and the vast majority of the fan base will love it. I think it will end up being the right decision by the Leafs.

I think the only thing is, I think the Leafs are gonna be the ones begging Marner to sign. If he does sign I think it’ll be under 13 and a feel good story. But I could honestly see him leaving to, it’s been a while and sometimes change is good. I’d love for him to resign at a reasonable number but I also wouldn’t blame him for leaving since he’s been so polarizing here.

Then shut up and stop saying stupid things... like he wasnt demoted (he eas everyone knows he was).

He had a good game 4, he was meh in game 1 through 3.

Bahahaha, are you 5? Grow up Antro, stop being so butt hurt and throwing insults. Acting like my grade 5 students right now.

I literally said in a post everyone can’t deny he was demoted or had his minutes reduced. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter. You seem to get caught up on minor things. Again, I ask, what has been fuelling your hate for Marner.

 

[ULF_55]

Does marner need to be on a different line in the playoffs to perform to the same level he did in the series championship game?

Asking for a coach.

 

[arso40]

Dream line - Marner - McDavid - Knies

A lot of components there that could work very nicely

Obviously a lot has to happen for this occur but if McDavid leaves Edmonton I can’t see him going anywhere else but Toronto

I’d think Willy would be playing with mcdavid if he were here just a thought

 

[arso40]

Tbh, you and arso are so far behind in this demoted / promoted conversation that I figured it would take too much of my time to explain what I meant so I just ignored it but here we are 3 pages later and you guys still never caught on.

You guys need to go back and re-read, of course I know a demotion is bad lol...

Ur singling me out in a convo your having with antro ? Where’s the sense in that I never called you out by name I’ve consistently called one person by name so why are you calling mine we can definitely have a convo but don’t include me in your convo with antro that’s dumb

 

[thewave]

Mitch Marner debate.

Is Marner a good player? Yes
Is he 13m good? No
Is he a playoff performer? Yes and No
Does he fit the Leafs template to win? No
Is Toronto stuck with him? No
Are better options available? Unknown
Is Mitch or MLSE to blame for this? MLSE
Leafs need Winger Dman or C? Dman C

So there it all is.

He is good but soft and fades in hard punishing checking games.

He is more of a 10m range player under the new cap based on peers in the tournament.

When time and space is there he is good. When it closes up he isn't great. He needs to improve his .4ppg avg in games 5 6 7.

He doesn't fit the winning template because we are winger heavy and need better D and C. Tanev and OEL are already old. JT is old. Not much time left to win.

Time for MLSE to earn their pay or this team.is stuck in a jam.

 

[thusk]

You do realize these guys have been playing hockey as a career their entire lives? No that is not a difficult pass for an NHL player. 3.5 million Domi makes that pass with his eyes closed.

Its not hard taking a good shot from the slot like mcdavid, a 1,35M mcmann are able to do this... Its the same bullshi, thats mean absolutly nothing

The difference is not if they can or not . Its a wich rate are they able to make those play on daily basis

 

[Smif]

Does marner need to be on a different line in the playoffs to perform to the same level he did in the series championship game?

Asking for a coach.

Tbh, a demotion sometimes wakes a player up, it shouldn't be taken personally, it should be taken as a challenge. Marner took it as a challenge in this tourney, stepped up his game and took his spot back with his outstanding performance last night. One reason why I think so highly of Cooper.

 

[Mr_Fun]

In the same breath, it’s laughable that you’re spinning a coach making an adjustment after a loss as a “demotion” as if Marner couldn’t possibly work his way back up the lineup.

The only person spinning is you as per usual.

The only thing that could really be considered a demotion is either being benched or sat out for a game; and even then it might not even be the case. Cooper was just trying to find chemistry and go with his gut, AKA -- who's feeling it on that night.

 

[Zybalto]

I said his passes were good, but then the select bunch of you wanted to mock and laugh at my post and act childish as usual, so I decided to summarize how embarrassing your posts are. Here they are in all their glory:

Your opinions:... he was amazing all tourny!!

The truth:. The coach demoted him for 1.5 out of 4 games.

Your opinions: being demoted is a good thing because then you can be promoted duh!!

Truth: That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

Your opinions: .... he created that goal!

Truth: No that was a set play, Mcdavid said it's himself.

Your opinions: .... but that basic hockey pass only elite players can make!!!

Main board is divided on his overall performance too. Entering the final game, majority agreed he wasn't good and many thought he should be scratched. Take the Marner glasses off.

This is what happens when you venture too far down the rabbit hole.....

The narrative is exploded. Cooper was trying his best to get all lines humming but McDavid wasnt any better against the US the 2nd time around (was actually McDavids worst game of the series until Marner came on board) and finally realized instead of trying to use Point/Marner to prop up Cirelli/Hagel (and watch them blow chance after chance with them), Point/Marner should have been on McDavids wings the entire time. Reinhart and Stone were poor fits and with Reinhart finding some chemistry on the Mac line, Stone should have been the 3rd wheel to the Cirelli/Hagel line.

Why did Cooper move Marner up with McDavid? He saw McDavid was still struggling against the US and saw how elevated Marner's game was becoming in the biggest of games and so made the decision right? Go with the hottest hand that already had some familiarity.

The goal itself was a thing of beauty. Watching it in real time your struck by how quick it all happens. The way Marner angles his skate so it deflects up to his stick for the pass all in one motion and McDavid with the equally quick wrister delivery top corner. Yes, these things are practiced.....but to pull them off like that in a moment like that is elite. Don't say anyone could do it. Matthews had been wrecking McDavid's line all tourney....and don't bring Domi into this. Let him try to be a half decent 3rd line winger for us before thinking he could pull anything off at that level.

There were very few people that thought Marner should be "scratched" and those that did have eaten piles of crow today or are at least spending some time out in the wilderness....which is what I advised you to do. Why crap on a Leaf for doing well? Almost everyone though he did great in game 3, hamstrung by the fact his line couldnt finish. Cirelli took more of a a beating from fans this tourney no?

Marner stepped up man. Its a fact. Canada probably doesn't win without him. Hell, they might not have made the final without him. This is good for the Leafs this playoffs....isnt it?

 

[Confucius]

I hope he gets 15 million a year to watch HF burn. Can you imagine what would happen on the main boards if he signs for 15 sheets? It would be glorious.

If it’s somewhere else it would be glorious,

 

[ULF_55]

Marner stepped up man. Its a fact. Canada probably doesn't win without him. Hell, they might not have made the final without him. This is good for the Leafs this playoffs....isnt it?

It might mean nothing in the NHL playoffs.

Paul Henderson didn't become a star.
Henderson scored the game-winning goal in the sixth, seventh and eighth games, the last of which has become legendary in Canada and made him a national hero: it was voted the "sports moment of the century" by The Canadian Press and earned him numerous accolades.

But it would be great if he steps over the moribund leadership of the team and stakes his claim to NHL glory.

Or maybe not.

 

[Smif]

I wasnt gonna comment alot, but then the select bunch of you wanted to mock and laugh at my post and act childish as usual, so I decided to summarize how embarrassing your posts are. Here they are in all their glory:

Your opinions:... he was amazing all tourny!!

The truth:. The coach demoted him for 1.5 out of 4 games.

Your opinions: being demoted is a good thing because then you can be promoted duh!!

Truth: That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

Your opinions: .... he created that goal!

Truth: No that was a set play, Mcdavid said it's himself.

Your opinions: .... but that basic hockey pass only elite players can make!!!

Main board is divided on his overall performance too but entering the final game, majority agreed he wasn't good and many thought he should be scratched. Take the Marner glasses off.

Who said being demoted was a good thing? I'm pretty sure you think I said it but it might be a flaw in your reading comprehension because I certainly did not. If you think I did please share the post that has you confused.

 

[Smif]

Ur singling me out in a convo your having with antro ? Where’s the sense in that I never called you out by name I’ve consistently called one person by name so why are you calling mine we can definitely have a convo but don’t include me in your convo with antro that’s dumb

Unfortunately, you jumped on the bandwagon of someone else who misread or misunderstood a post or a number of posts.

No one ever said a demotion was a good thing. We were pointing out to Antro that he thought a demotion made one certain player look bad, which is fine, but then, couldn't comprehend that same player later on being promoted back to where he initially was as a positive good thing. All in all it was a net zero, but one specific poster here somehow only saw the whole situation as a negative.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

No doubting one thing: Mitch was the best Leaf in this tournament.