Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Canadian Finn]

best thing about this tournament is watching our players in isolation.

everyone gets to form their own opinions. (as evident by this thread)

the overall hockey, aside from the first 15 minutes of the Can USA game, has been slightly elevated over an allstar game.

 

[Racer88]

Idk I'm not looking to define what counts as historic but I've been watching hockey for 30+ years and I can't recall many games that felt more meaningful than saturday night's. combined with the level of play, the political context, the location, the attention, the way it started. I am getting worked up just thinking about it

Take away the 3 fights to start the game and the political craziness coming from the orange pumpkin in the states and I’m betting it would be significantly less historic

 

[leafs in five]

Take away the 3 fights to start the game and the political craziness coming from the orange pumpkin in the states and I’m betting it would be significantly less historic

agreed I guess but those things all happened/are happening

 

[Racer88]

agreed I guess but those things all happened/are happening

Yup I get your point as it has even spiked my interest in this tournament

 

[GoonieFace]

Anyone that can’t see Mitch does not belong in the upper tier of NHL talent is just fooling themselves. That being said, he will probably score the tournament winning goal, and hopefully that happens.

 

[thewave]

Anyone that can’t see Mitch does not belong in the upper tier of NHL talent is just fooling themselves. That being said, he will probably score the tournament winning goal, and hopefully that happens.

Maybe a 1% chance of that happening. It already happened once. Won't strike twice, if anything more likely he gives up the puck and we get scored on this time but most likely he will get an A or something.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Mathews injured. Pure genius

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not sure if I'm the only one but every time I see these Marner threads with the word "again" in the title, there's a phrase that immediately jumps into my mind - "oh no, not Mitch Marner again".

It's as if we traded him to another team, and then traded again to get him back or something. Yikes!

 

[leafs in five]

Mathews injured. Pure genius

has some news come out on this?

 

[Antropovsky]

1. Who cares about Brad Marchand, I hate that guy as a leafs fan. So good on Mitch.

2. This is what I meant by you’re just a hater. This is just irrelevant. They both have the same ritual and superstition. You posting this like it’s supposed to mean something is honestly crazy, obsessive and disturbing. Stick to critiquing his game, you find every little reason to shit on the guy, it’s getting old. A lot of it has little to nothing to do with hockey.

Hockey players clearly care. Marner cares. But it's laughable if we discuss it?

It's mind blowing that Marner was sitting in the room trying to outwait Sidney F%$#en Crosby for being last on the ice...And Crosby has to approach him and be like "dude..I'll go second last".

27 years old, never won anything, no NHL hardware, not even a captain of his club team and he is trying to outwait 36 year old Brad Marchand and captain 37 year Sidney Crosby, so he can have a superstition.

Marner is Gretzky in his own mind.

 

[Stephen]

Jon Cooper on Mitch Marner's line vs. Team Finland: "Cirelli and Hagel are the worker bees, and Mitch organizes things in the offensive zone... The line was great"

On Team Canada’s off-day, head coach Jon Cooper discussed the Hagel-Cirelli-Marner line’s performance against Team Finland, his players’ buy-in to the cause, and the meaning of Thursday’s final against Team USA. You put Mitch Marner with Brandon Hagel and Anthony Cirelli against Finland. In a...

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It’s a curious description because I wouldn’t say Mitch’s strength is to organize things out there. His whole M.O. is to be shifty and exploit small areas and breakdowns in structure. He himself is not an organizing player the way a Bergeron might be.

 

[thewave]

Hockey players clearly care. Marner cares. But it's laughable if we discuss it?

It's mind blowing that Marner was sitting in the room trying to outwait Sidney F%$#en Crosby for being last on the ice...And Crosby has to approach him and be like "dude..I'll go second last".

Also..of course Marners superstition is that he's last off ice in warmup, last on the ice and last off ice after games? Lol

Is there any superstition that Mitch doesn't want as his?

MARNER made up his superstition after seeing Crosby. He must feel extra special that he waited out Crosby of all people. Because Mitch getting what he wants is very important. I am getting it more and more.

It's just one gimmick after the next like, what guy in that room didn't hear about him out waiting Sid and just roll their eyes. Look at McDavid, there was a couple comments and an exchange " where do you want me to go" or whatever was said. Now he isn't on the line.

It's all contrived. I really hope he either sign and trades or no NMC or just walks.

Enough of this junk

 

[Gary Nylund]

has some news come out on this?

Good question. A quick google search tells me he's supposed to be playing.

Hockey players clearly care. Marner cares. But it's laughable if we discuss it?

It's mind blowing that Marner was sitting in the room trying to outwait Sidney F%$#en Crosby for being last on the ice...And Crosby has to approach him and be like "dude..I'll go second last".

27 years old, never won anything, no NHL hardware, not even a captain of his club team and he is trying to outwait 36 year old Brad Marchand and captain 37 year Sidney Crosby, so he can have a superstition.

Marner is Gretzky in his own mind.

I haven't been following the news so this is the first I've heard of this. Just ridiculous if this actually happened, what a nutjob.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

The way Marchand stopped skating and just stood by the door. Wonder how he felt about a player 10 years younger and on the same team as him trying to out wait him?



Also this:



Understandable that Crosby and Marchand would have to settle with Marner about who gets what superstition.

I think it's pretty dis-respectful actually.

Marner isn't McDavid. He doesn't have the authority to pull rank. Crosby is the Captain of the team and has a far greater claim through both merit and entitlement to dictate the order of who leaves last.

The sad thing is I'm not only not surprised Marner felt so entitled to undermine them both but that there are people defending him.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Idk I'm not looking to define what counts as historic but I've been watching hockey for 30+ years and I can't recall many games that felt more meaningful than saturday night's. combined with the level of play, the political context, the location, the attention, the way it started. I am getting worked up just thinking about it

I'm more invested in the final then I thought I would be. It's still nowhere close to the tension of all the times I watched Team Canada play between 1972 and when the soviet union collapsed and then the Olympics, but at least it's better than the last gimmick tournament.

If the best tournaments/series Team Canada played between 1972 and 1990 and the Olympics rated between 8 and 10, this one I thought would be maybe a 2 or 3 but instead it's maybe a 5.

Completely subjective of course so that's JMHO off the top of my head.

 

[Antropovsky]

MARNER made up his superstition after seeing Crosby. He must feel extra special that he waited out Crosby of all people. Because Mitch getting what he wants is very important. I am getting it more and more.

It's just one gimmick after the next like, what guy in that room didn't hear about him out waiting Sid and just roll their eyes. Look at McDavid, there was a couple comments and an exchange " where do you want me to go" or whatever was said. Now he isn't on the line.

It's all contrived. I really hope he either sign and trades or no NMC or just walks.

Enough of this junk

Exactly. Cooper in his postgame presser said he had a group chat with his "best players" after game 2. Marner of course wasn't part of that group.

Clearly, none of those best players, came to bat for Marner in that meeting, nobody was begging to have Marner on their line.... which is why Marner ended up on the checking line.

Marner wasnt part of the initial team picks, he doesnt have a letter on the club, he isnt part of the best players that Cooper meets with... yet he's standing trying to outwait 36 year old Marchand and 37 year old Captain Crosby.

It really is mind boggling.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think it's pretty dis-respectful actually.

Marner isn't McDavid. He doesn't have the authority to pull rank. Crosby is the Captain of the team and has a far greater claim through both merit and entitlement to dictate the order of who leaves last.

The sad thing is I'm not only not surprised Marner felt so entitled to undermine them both but that there are people defending him.

Exactly. Marner's sense of self-importance is mind blowing and it makes him look like clown. It's a good example of why so many people find him dislikeable.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Exactly. Marner's sense of self-importance is mind blowing and it makes him look like clown. It's a good example of why so many people find him dislikeable.

If this is what he's like in public what do you think he's like in private.

 

[thewave]

Exactly. Cooper in his postgame presser said he had a group chat with his "best players" after game 2. Marner of course wasn't part of that group.

Clearly, none of those best players, came to bat for Marner in that meeting, nobody was begging to have Marner on their line.... which is why Marner ended up on the checking line.

Marner wasnt part of the initial team picks, he doesnt have a letter on the club, he isnt part of the best players that Cooper meets with... yet he's standing trying to outwait 36 year old Marchand and 37 year old Captain Crosby.

It really is mind boggling.

I don't know him obviously, but people that do stuff like that to me, well that's a headcase.

 

[Gary Nylund]

If this is what he's like in public what do you think he's like in private.

Who knows? Maybe he's a fantastic person in private, maybe he's a complete d-bag, don't really care either way TBH.

 

[rumman]

Hockey players clearly care. Marner cares. But it's laughable if we discuss it?

It's mind blowing that Marner was sitting in the room trying to outwait Sidney F%$#en Crosby for being last on the ice...And Crosby has to approach him and be like "dude..I'll go second last".

27 years old, never won anything, no NHL hardware, not even a captain of his club team and he is trying to outwait 36 year old Brad Marchand and captain 37 year Sidney Crosby, so he can have a superstition.

Marner is Gretzky in his own mind.

The entitlement is strong in this one……..

 

[ToneDog]

Hockey players clearly care. Marner cares. But it's laughable if we discuss it?

It's mind blowing that Marner was sitting in the room trying to outwait Sidney F%$#en Crosby for being last on the ice...And Crosby has to approach him and be like "dude..I'll go second last".

27 years old, never won anything, no NHL hardware, not even a captain of his club team and he is trying to outwait 36 year old Brad Marchand and captain 37 year Sidney Crosby, so he can have a superstition.

Marner is Gretzky in his own mind.

Does he think it is possible for him to be worse than he has been in regulation if he is not the last to leave the ice? If I am Cooper, he is out for Jarvis in the final.

 

[thewave]

Does he think it is possible for him to be worse than he has been in regulation if he is not the last to leave the ice? If I am Cooper, he is out for Jarvis in the final.

The faster player should be in. Assuming they aren't a defensive liability. It's the USA, need speed

 

[ToneDog]

The faster player should be in. Assuming they aren't a defensive liability. It's the USA, need speed

Winner take all game. What are the odds Marner does something good playing on the bottom line? That blind drop pass late 6 on 5 vs the USA must have gone over well with Cooper.

 

[Ports]

Well mature adults are able to sit down explain their financial position, team needs and future plans going forward. If it doesn't align with Marners vision for the future then at that point you have to ask him if he'd waive, and where he would like to go.

However, not under any circumstances do you take the negotiations to the media. They made that mistake with Sundin, and it caused a lot of hard feelings. The Leafs thought they could control the narrative and tried to demonize Sundin and making it uncomfortable for him to stay.

Sundin was a good soldier while wearing that C for 11 years and they treated him shabbily, instead of doing the right thing with him.

I'm sure if Mitch really wants to stay he may be a little more reasonable in negotiations, how much, who knows. Maybe offer Mitch a 12m 2 yr deal and when the caps at 105+ if theres been some playoff success, especially on Mitch' part then you make him a lifetime Leaf.

I'd say do the same thing with JT. Also by that time you'd know what you really have in Minten Danford, Chadwick, Grebenkin, Holinka, Webber and Cowan.

Nice thoughts but Marner is not waiving his NMC because if we he was open to it he would have done it in the summer. He’s also not going to help the team out by accepting a two year contract. He will be in the prime of his career at 28 and will want to be paid at least Matthews money if not more on a long term deal. He’s seen the NHL salary cap projections and he and his agent will be using that to leverage the highest paid contract they can. It’s unfortunate but that’s what motivates most players these days. There are very few players willing to accept anything less than top dollar to help build a stronger team around them. McDavid, MacKinnon, Bergeron, Marchand are the exceptions.