Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

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What stands in the way between the Leafs and Marner getting a deal done? - The Leafs Nation

The question now remains what kind of terms will Marner’s next contract have and whether or not Marner and the Leafs will find some common ground in negotiations.

Marner is set to be an unrestricted free agent. He is in the final season of his six-year contract, which carries an AAV of $10.903 million.


On Monday’s edition of Daily Faceoff LIVE, Frank Seravalli and Tyler Yaremchuk discuss what’s taking the two sides this long to come to an agreement.

Frank Seravalli: Mitch Marner and the Toronto Maple Leafs are willing to make things happen. They have to, I think, from a stylistic standpoint…What does this mean for the future? You have two sides that are equally saying the same thing. You have Mitch Marner, who’s saying, “I would like to be a long-term Toronto Maple Leaf. I want to play for this team.” Then, you’ve got [general manager] Brad Treliving over here saying, “Yeah, we want nothing more than Mitch Marner to be here for the long-term.”

Okay, so why aren’t we finding some deal to meet in the middle on? Is it possible that the ask from the Marner camp is so outlandish that the Leafs can’t wrap their brains around it? I can’t imagine there isn’t common ground to find. So, why isn’t this getting done?

The only thing I can come back to is that the Toronto Maple Leafs want to hold the right to do things in a different direction…if they don’t have playoff success again. They’re going to have to. To do this year after year, banging your head on a cinder block wall. I don’t know how many years we can say, “Oh, things are finally going to be different.” Then, they bring back the same team again, to not have any playoff success.

People say, “Why is that the Leafs would want to do that? They have such a good player here…” They haven’t come 25 percent of the way to winning a Stanley Cup, that’s the answer. You need a different fit. You need a different style.


You can watch the full segment and entire episode here (Marner segment begins at 7:00)

 
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The question now remains what kind of terms will Marner’s next contract have and whether or not Marner and the Leafs will find some common ground in negotiations.

Marner is set to be an unrestricted free agent. He is in the final season of his six-year contract, which carries an AAV of $10.903 million.


On Monday’s edition of Daily Faceoff LIVE, Frank Seravalli and Tyler Yaremchuk discuss what’s taking the two sides this long to come to an agreement.

Frank Seravalli: Mitch Marner and the Toronto Maple Leafs are willing to make things happen. They have to, I think, from a stylistic standpoint…What does this mean for the future? You have two sides that are equally saying the same thing. You have Mitch Marner, who’s saying, “I would like to be a long-term Toronto Maple Leaf. I want to play for this team.” Then, you’ve got [general manager] Brad Treliving over here saying, “Yeah, we want nothing more than Mitch Marner to be here for the long-term.”

Okay, so why aren’t we finding some deal to meet in the middle on? Is it possible that the ask from the Marner camp is so outlandish that the Leafs can’t wrap their brains around it? I can’t imagine there isn’t common ground to find. So, why isn’t this getting done?

The only thing I can come back to is that the Toronto Maple Leafs want to hold the right to do things in a different direction…if they don’t have playoff success again. They’re going to have to. To do this year after year, banging your head on a cinder block wall. I don’t know how many years we can say, “Oh, things are finally going to be different.” Then, they bring back the same team again, to not have any playoff success.

People say, “Why is that the Leafs would want to do that? They have such a good player here…” They haven’t come 25 percent of the way to winning a Stanley Cup, that’s the answer. You need a different fit. You need a different style.


You can watch the full segment and entire episode here (Marner segment begins at 7:00)


I swear some of you guys just read here and then write articles. Did he reveal anything we didn’t know for a year?
 
The market is what people are willing to give. 3m in endorsement deals apparently. He is going to lose most of that too in some quite US town.

I don’t think Marner would lose endorsement deals. Look at the types of commercials he does in Canada. Insurance companies. A lot of those companies may have US sister companies. I’m sure he’d be fine. Also the target audience for any athlete isn’t 40 year old men, it’s young people. Any of our 3 stars could go to different markets and still get endorsement deals, whether they are local or on TV. I could easily see Marner in an All State or State Farm commercial.
 
I don’t think Marner would lose endorsement deals. Look at the types of commercials he does in Canada. Insurance companies. A lot of those companies may have US sister companies. I’m sure he’d be fine. Also the target audience for any athlete isn’t 40 year old men, it’s young people. Any of our 3 stars could go to different markets and still get endorsement deals, whether they are local or on TV. I could easily see Marner in an All State or State Farm commercial.
he would lose endorsements for sure, part of it is he's a leaf, he would prob gain new endorsements else where just might not be as much
 
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Guys, i don't think hockey players are being begged for endorsements in other markets. So yeah, he would maybe lose a lot of money in endorsements that isn't a gear deal.
 
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Exactly, might not be 3 million worth but it’s not gonna be drastic that it would affect his decision.
yeah most markets dont care that much about hockey, he very well could lose ALL endorsements, I dont think he gets 3m or close to that else where

honestly..... maybe its best just to let him walk, 12.5-13m should be the MAX offered, and I dont like the idea of that. might be best just to let him walk
 
What stands in the way between the Leafs and Marner getting a deal done? - The Leafs Nation

The question now remains what kind of terms will Marner’s next contract have and whether or not Marner and the Leafs will find some common ground in negotiations.

Marner is set to be an unrestricted free agent. He is in the final season of his six-year contract, which carries an AAV of $10.903 million.


On Monday’s edition of Daily Faceoff LIVE, Frank Seravalli and Tyler Yaremchuk discuss what’s taking the two sides this long to come to an agreement.

Frank Seravalli: Mitch Marner and the Toronto Maple Leafs are willing to make things happen. They have to, I think, from a stylistic standpoint…What does this mean for the future? You have two sides that are equally saying the same thing. You have Mitch Marner, who’s saying, “I would like to be a long-term Toronto Maple Leaf. I want to play for this team.” Then, you’ve got [general manager] Brad Treliving over here saying, “Yeah, we want nothing more than Mitch Marner to be here for the long-term.”

Okay, so why aren’t we finding some deal to meet in the middle on? Is it possible that the ask from the Marner camp is so outlandish that the Leafs can’t wrap their brains around it? I can’t imagine there isn’t common ground to find. So, why isn’t this getting done?

The only thing I can come back to is that the Toronto Maple Leafs want to hold the right to do things in a different direction…if they don’t have playoff success again. They’re going to have to. To do this year after year, banging your head on a cinder block wall. I don’t know how many years we can say, “Oh, things are finally going to be different.” Then, they bring back the same team again, to not have any playoff success.

People say, “Why is that the Leafs would want to do that? They have such a good player here…” They haven’t come 25 percent of the way to winning a Stanley Cup, that’s the answer. You need a different fit. You need a different style.


You can watch the full segment and entire episode here (Marner segment begins at 7:00)



Frank full of it. CJ said earlier today Marner has refused to negotiate with the Leafs. Like the Leafs don't even know what his ask is.
 
Such stupidity can't even be negotiated with.

Also: Pastrnak - who's gotten the richest contract out of this era's group of wingers at 13.5% (save for Marner cause he hasn't signed yet) What is the one thing that separates Pastrnak from the other guys? Can't be goal scoring could it?
Pastrnsk, Rantanen, and Nylander are 1, 2, 3 in goals by right wingers over the last 5 years.
 
what can Marner get on the open market compared to 8x13m?
I have a hard time seeing him getting more on a 7x

If Vegas were to offer him 7x12.25, to roughly match the take-home pay for the duration of the contract, the Leafs would have to offer 8x14.

Once you get into these high-end contracts, it's wild the difference that tax rates make.

Obviously deals can be structured in ways to try and mitigate some of the disadvantages, but it's really no surprise that a guy like Rantanen was happy to take 12M in Dallas.

It really isn't a level playing field for Canadian teams.
 
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It's Marner lol, he's easily asking 12+

He could could come out tomorrow and say "I love Toronto, give me 8.5 and let' win the cup" and become a "God."

But it's MONEY Mitch, CASH RULES EVERYTHING AROUND MITCH (cream)

Everyone saying Rantanen was looking for Draisaitl money and when he had been traded. .. He signed a bit higher than Nylander.

You having absolutly no idea what he want...

Ps hoping marner sign at 8,5M is like hoping mcdavid sign under Nylander contract in 2 years. Just be realistic
 
I hang out in Port Carling / Rousseau in the summer quite a bit. I’ve literally seen people harassing Mitch at TJ’s about hockey and things no player should ever have to deal with and it’s not a sight you want to see.

I would not be surprised to see him jet for an equal or lesser amount of money because of the toxic reaction he’s been disproportionately been receiving as a result of the team’s performance; irrespective of his own contribution to that.

This is just my opinion from what I’ve seen in person and online.

I feel bad but I also don’t based on how his team handled his last contract negotiation. When you open Pandora’s Box, this is often the trouble you run into.

He could have made his life a lot easier by simply just being a team player on the payroll side of things as much as he is on ice.

Let’s hope we can replace him with as much production as he gives us at $10.63M next year.

That’s really unfortunate, but also likely given the number of overly emotional boneheads in Leaf nation.

He is a goner. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. He will be hated forever for stopping us from getting rantanen and then leaving. PLUS squeezing the leafs for every single cent he cant get.

I would seriously sign a bunch of one year deals in the summer and take a serious run at McDavid.

He will be hated forever, by YOU. Sensible Leaf fans will look past the obvious. If there is someone you want to blame, it’s the team for handing out a NMC. He doesn’t owe anyone any favours, so why are you holding it against him?

So millionaires hanging out at Port Carling are out there harassing Mitch Marner when he comes to chill out?

lol ok

I don’t see what’s so unreasonable here. Lots of people go to the Turtle Jacks on the river there.
 
Such stupidity can't even be negotiated with.

Also: Pastrnak - who's gotten the richest contract out of this era's group of wingers at 13.5% (save for Marner cause he hasn't signed yet) What is the one thing that separates Pastrnak from the other guys? Can't be goal scoring could it?

I just imagine pitching something like this.
I hang out in Port Carling / Rousseau in the summer quite a bit. I’ve literally seen people harassing Mitch at TJ’s about hockey and things no player should ever have to deal with and it’s not a sight you want to see.

I would not be surprised to see him jet for an equal or lesser amount of money because of the toxic reaction he’s been disproportionately been receiving as a result of the team’s performance; irrespective of his own contribution to that.

This is just my opinion from what I’ve seen in person and online.

I feel bad but I also don’t based on how his team handled his last contract negotiation. When you open Pandora’s Box, this is often the trouble you run into.

He could have made his life a lot easier by simply just being a team player on the payroll side of things as much as he is on ice.

Let’s hope we can replace him with as much production as he gives us at $10.63M next year.

Gotta ask.

Is he 5ft7 8 9 10 or 11?
 
I don’t see what’s so unreasonable here. Lots of people go to the Turtle Jacks on the river there.
Never been to Muskoka. All I know about Lake Rousseau is that's where the uber rich hang out. Cannot envision that being a place Marner gets harassed.
 
Everyone saying Rantanen was looking for Draisaitl money and when he had been traded. .. He signed a bit higher than Nylander.

You having absolutly no idea what he want...

Ps hoping marner sign at 8,5M is like hoping mcdavid sign under Nylander contract in 2 years. Just be realistic
I'm saying without a shadow of a doubt he wants more than 12 million, have you heard otherwise? Mitch and the other players have made it clear that money is their priority.

No it's really not, McDavid is a "God" come playoff time, he deserves to get paid. Mitch is a glorified 2nd liner come playoff time, in no world does he deserve even close to the highest pay in the NHL.
 
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Guys, i don't think hockey players are being begged for endorsements in other markets. So yeah, he would maybe lose a lot of money in endorsements that isn't a gear deal.

You do realize that endorsements aren’t just tv commercials. It includes Instagram, posters, Tik Tok. I know our boys are on TV in this market. But I see a lot of Marner and Nylander’s ads on both Tik Tok and Instagram as well. So I don’t think they’ll be losing much, who’s even watching tv much these days

Never been to Muskoka. All I know about Lake Rousseau is that's where the uber rich hang out. Cannot envision that being a place Marner gets harassed.

Lol do you think rich people aren’t idiots? They can be some of the worst people especially when alcohol is involved.
 
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If Vegas were to offer him 7x12.25, to roughly match the take-home pay for the duration of the contract, the Leafs would have to offer 8x14.

Once you get into these high-end contracts, it's wild the difference that tax rates make.

Obviously deals can be structured in ways to try and mitigate some of the disadvantages, but it's really no surprise that a guy like Rantanen was happy to take 12M in Dallas.

It really isn't a level playing field for Canadian teams.
The difference between what Rantanen signed in Dallas to the equivalent of 12.475 in Toronto , it's money but not a big deal when you take into account they would make much much more in endorsements here.
 

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