Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Dekes For Days]

Why does it not factor in

Because it hadn't happened when he signed his contract.

What about the last 4 or 5 years. He does have more 100pt seasons than Mitch.

"100 points seasons" is pointless and arbitrary. And Pastrnak didn't even have any 100 point seasons when he signed anyway.

 

[Al14]

One breaks games in his teams favour. Marner just breaks his team.

Exactly !!! How many times did Marner try to give the game away last night with his stupid give-aways ???

Marner was a lot more effective FOR OTTAWA than he was for HIS TEAM our Leafs !!!

 

[Racer88]

Be interesting to see how many points Nylander and marner would have together.

Both skate well, both excellent passers, both apparently healthy with no built in excuses.

That would be great until the mean players looked sideways at them. They would throw the puck away as fast as their sticks would flex

 

[hullsy47]

Because it hadn't happened when he signed his contract.

"100 points seasons" is pointless and arbitrary. And Pastrnak didn't even have any 100 point seasons when he signed anyway.

Mitch isnt there last 2 games
Rantanan looks even bigger in dallas

 

[Stephen]

Be interesting to see how many points Nylander and marner would have together.

Both skate well, both excellent passers, both apparently healthy with no built in excuses.

Those two have never really been tried together (positions factored in).

 

[Racer88]

Because it hadn't happened when he signed his contract.

"100 points seasons" is pointless and arbitrary. And Pastrnak didn't even have any 100 point seasons when he signed anyway.

I agree that 100 point seasons are pointless because at 28 ish years old Marner has none.
I have jumped into the middle of an already raging debate I’m assume something to do with when they signed their contracts.
My bad as I thought it was about who is the best player…….clearly Pastrnak

 

[thewave]

Those two have never really been tried together (positions factored in).

Berube has never tried anything interesting with the core for more than 2 periods so who knows how anything would go.

Marner is done here. That's obvious.

Berube should be done here along with Shanahan

 

[thewave]

I agree that 100 point seasons are pointless because at 28 ish years old Marner has none.
I have jumped into the middle of an already raging debate I’m assume something to do with when they signed their contracts.
My bad as I thought it was about who is the best player…….clearly Pastrnak

Marner shouldn't sit at the same table as Pasta. He is way better

 

[francis246]

No, the discussion is about observation and isolating different variables around the team. How many more years of observation and revolving cast of personnel with the exact same results before targeting the only constants?

By and large it’s a Matthews and Marner led problem with a revolving door of everything else. Completely interchangeable.

I don’t think that’s fair to put on them. Kadri being traded for example had nothing to do with them. That was Dubas trying to rush a deal.

Connor Brown being moved had to do with us signing Patrick Marleau to a big deal.

Lou Lam had a pre arranged agreement with Shanny to only be the GM for 3 years. That was before Matthews was even drafted.

Even Bunting, he was good fit on our top line, they just didn’t want to bring him back.

We could through that list and find very little was a direct result of them.


To me that’s a management problem. They have sucked at finding the right mix around these guys. Yeah the Matthews and Marner under perform in the playoffs but it’s not their job to find the right supporting cast. That’s management and it’s been a failure of epic proportions by Shanahan and his staff at that.

 

[JL17]

Because it hadn't happened when he signed his contract.

"100 points seasons" is pointless and arbitrary. And Pastrnak didn't even have any 100 point seasons when he signed anyway.

2 things that are continually talked about in hockey. first to 50 goals and first to 100pts every season. Just like a 1000 yard rushers and receivers in football, 50 home runs in baseball. It’s a benchmark. It moves you into another level.

 

[JL17]

Marner shouldn't sit at the same table as Pasta. He is way better

And Driasiatl is better then Pasta.

 

[Stephen]

I don’t think that’s fair to put on them. Kadri being traded for example had nothing to do with them. That was Dubas trying to rush a deal.

Connor Brown being moved had to do with us signing Patrick Marleau to a big deal.

Lou Lam had a pre arranged agreement with Shanny to only be the GM for 3 years. That was before Matthews was even drafted.

Even Bunting, he was good fit on our top line, they just didn’t want to bring him back.

We could through that list and find very little was a direct result of them.

It's not about assigning blame to the outgoing pieces man, it's different variables and combinations and the same on ice flaws year over year. It's a core player problem since they are constant.

 

[Dekes For Days]

2 things that are continually talked about in hockey. first to 50 goals and first to 100pts every season.

It's a fun benchmark and story for fans to follow and cheer for, but ultimately meaningless. There is no meaningful difference between 99 and 100 points. It's just an easy round number.

 

[JL17]

It's a fun benchmark and story for fans to follow and cheer for, but ultimately meaningless. There is no meaningful difference between 99 and 100 points. It's just an easy round number.

If if didn’t mean much then why do players play meaningless games to try and achieve it?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Trading him was always the correct choice. Letting him walk will have to do

 

[Mess]

In terms of physical winning playoff style hockey, bringing Mitch Marner along is like bringing a butter knife to a gun fight,

 

[HockeyVirus]

I don't see a world where Marner stays where he isn't massively overpaid. Like 14.5 a year. Why would he? Not that he was unfairly treated, but if he thought it was toxic before.... Sign for another over payment and see

 

[Dekes For Days]

If if didn’t mean much then why do players play meaningless games to try and achieve it?

They don't. Marner, for example, took a game off to rest for the playoffs while sitting at 99 points. Also, just because it's meaningless in the sense of representing relative player quality, that doesn't mean players don't enjoy chasing benchmarks.

 

[thewave]

They don't. Marner, for example, took a game off to rest for the playoffs while sitting at 99 points.

How did those playoffs go for him again?

 

[Dekes For Days]

How did those playoffs go for him again?

He'd probably be disappointed because his team didn't win the cup, but individually pretty good.

 

[Jaska]

Invidually good, but the team achieved nothing? Must be really happy.

Unless he plays only for himself, not for the team.

 

[Anthrax442]

He'd probably be disappointed because his team didn't win the cup, but individually pretty good.

lol lucky for him trying is all that matters.

 

[ToneDog]

How is he tone deaf? Who the f*** wants to go play in Carolina. Not even Rantanen wanted to stay there? The owner is cheap as hell, they won’t land any big free agents. I don’t blame Marner at all. Carolina isn’t a desirable destination.

At least with Colorado he has some familiarity with Nathan MacKinnon and a few other guys. I honestly think Marner would have waived to go there, if that was presented earlier, with time for him to think about it.

If you believe Friedman Avs offered Ranta $11.75m. Do you think Avs are offering Marner more than what they offered Rantanen? Do you think Marner would sign there for that or less?

 

[thewave]

If you believe Friedman Avs offered Ranta $11.75m. Do you think Avs are offering Marner more than what they offered Rantanen? Do you think Marner would sign there for that or less?

The way he is playing 11.75m maybe the high end of what he is offered by a high tax state team.

 

[ULF_55]

That would be great until the mean players looked sideways at them. They would throw the puck away as fast as their sticks would flex

No, perhaps one of them is prone to making prayer passes, but Nylander will go to the tough positions to score. Defence he'll leave to others, but one of them is supposed to be Selke level right?

Missing ingredient is the center, but maybe use the Tavares money for that?