Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Mess]

I do think a shorter term contract does make sense for a team acquiring Marner - there's a lot of baggage and failures you're inheriting; a shorter term deal lets you suss out whether the specialist in failure was a Mitch problem, a Toronto/core 4 problem, or some combination of both.

"A leopard never changes its spots".

Marner is as soft a perimeter player that avoids contract at all cost when possible that there this is in the game. Since Marner doesn't score because he isn't willing to go to the dirty areas and play in traffic, something that hasn't changed in the last decade since he was drafted, is not suddenly going to change based on his new linemates either.

He is also a "playmaker" because scoring a mere 13 goals after 9 playoff years and 11 series in not a small sample size to allow one to draw conclusions from past performance that believe a change of scenery will alter that.

Again since Marner only succeeds as a point producer when his teammates provide the goals and finishing so he can run up the assists totals that makes him a secondary scorer not primary.. So think of another team where he would ride shotgun to a Rocket Richard trophy winner like Matthews and on a PP the also has Nylander and Tavares on it etc. Matthews when healthy is capable of 60 goals and Willy and JT are each 35-45 goal scorers.

There are very few teams in the NHL that can match the Leafs offensive talent. So less goal scorers/finishers is more likely to produce Less points from assists than More.

Marner enters a new team based on his past performance and reputation. Marner is assuming little risk on a new short-term deal, because even if next team walks away, the next team will line up to think things will be different.

 

[notbias]

Yes goal scoring is generally the most coveted stat. Lol

If players are great goal scorers and pass even better. Because it makes them a dual threat.... does that make sense to you?

I read an article in 2019 that explained how Marner was the only player to receive the lucrative contract he got and not pace 40+ goals.

Okay, so Matthews must be the most valuable asset in the NHL, right?

 

[Antropovsky]

Okay, so Matthews must be the most valuable asset in the NHL, right?

Well he won the Hart and Lindsay in 2022 despite being 6th in points, having 19 points less than Mcdavid BUT leading the league in goals.

He also was a finalist for the Lindsay over Mcdavid in 2024, deapite being 6th in points and despite having 25 points less than Mcdavid...but led the league in goals.

Guess who votes for Ted Lindsay?

 

[notbias]

Well he won the Hart and Lindsay in 2022 despite being 6th in points, having 19 points less than Mcdavid BUT leading the league in goals.

He also was a finalist for the Lindsay over Mcdavid in 2024, deapite being 6th in points and despite having 25 points less than Mcdavid...but led the league in goals.

I guess Matthews took a discount then, that's good for the Leafs.

 

[Hart Nation]

"A leopard never changes its spots".

Marner is as soft a perimeter player that avoids contract at all cost when possible that there this is in the game. Since Marner doesn't score because he isn't willing to go to the dirty areas and play in traffic, something that hasn't changed in the last decade since he was drafted, is not suddenly going to change based on his new linemates either.

He is also a "playmaker" because scoring a mere 13 goals after 9 playoff years and 11 series in not a small sample size to allow one to draw conclusions from past performance that believe a change of scenery will alter that.

Again since Marner only succeeds as a point producer when his teammates provide the goals and finishing so he can run up the assists totals that makes him a secondary scorer not primary.. So think of another team where he would ride shotgun to a Rocket Richard trophy winner like Matthews and on a PP the also has Nylander and Tavares on it etc. Matthews when healthy is capable of 60 goals and Willy and JT are each 35-45 goal scorers.

There are very few teams in the NHL that can match the Leafs offensive talent. So less goal scorers/finishers is more likely to produce Less points from assists than More.

Marner enters a new team based on his past performance and reputation. Marner is assuming little risk on a new short-term deal, because even if next team walks away, the next team will line up to think things will be different.

To be fair.. Mitchy hits as much as Matty does. And almost double to triple as much as Big Willy does.. He's not exactly small.. He's kind of a big skinny guy. If he was Matty's 230 and 6'3... legendary dreams

 

[Antropovsky]

I guess Matthews took a discount then, that's good for the Leafs.

Guess who votes for Ted Lindsay?

The Ted Lindsay Award winner is determined by a vote of the members of the National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA). It's the only NHL award where players themselves vote for the recipient.

Matthews most definitely took a discount.

If Matthews wanted he could be getting close to max... you know had he went to RFA and explored offersheets or you know if he went to UFA and explored offers from other teams? Know anybody who does that?

Even TSN said this... Draisaitl wouldve gotten more if he went to UFA... same goes to almost every star player lol.

Marner is the outlier.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Okay, so Matthews must be the most valuable asset in the NHL, right?

LOL. You're so funny, can't remember when the last time was someone was trying so hard. BTW, when you need to exert yourself to the degree that you're doing, it's a sign that you're very wrong.

 

[Stephen]

None of that is true.

I know that many here will never change their minds. That tends to happen with positions based in anger instead of fact and logic, especially when there's a toxic echo chamber to fuel it.

The factors that led to Marner leaving the Leafs is not everybody’s problem, it’s a Mitch Marner problem. He couldn’t get the job done in his role, team didn’t have the success it hoped for and it’s time to move on. Even a Vulcan with facts and logic could see that.

 

[Stephen]

Okay, so Matthews must be the most valuable asset in the NHL, right?

There are trophies that would attest to Matthews being the most valuable asset at some point in the recent past…

 

[Peasy]

You're the one bringing it up 4 years later, and you literally had the clip. Shouldn't have been that hard to get it right, and avoid posting the opposite of what he said. If you can't get it right, don't post quotes in the first place.

After a close playoff loss, he said he wasn't going to change his playoff preparation, which is a reasonable answer considering that wasn't the issue. That's very different from not trying to improve as a player over the summer, and even within that same answer, he specifically noted that he wanted to get "stronger" and "faster".

Only went and got the clip afterwards because I knew your ass would just try and deny it

 

[MCR74]

Sign and trade with Vegas???? Rumblings that this may come to fruition! If Marner agrees.

Possible players like Karlsson, Barbeshev and others coming back our way?

Marner would have to do us a favor. Good luck with that.

 

[ULF_55]

If true, then its such a dangerous game he is playing in an attempt to amass as much wealth as possible.
What if he regresses as a player under a different system/team? What if he suffers a career-altering injury? What if he continues to stink it up in the playoffs? A lot of things could tank his value and completely derail his s.c "big(ger) payday". The man might be too greedy for his own good.

Already earned $68mm

How risk adverse is family?

He's already made enough to easily support his family for his lifetime, as long as he can live on $1mm a year, it should never run out. (Conservative)

Now if he's supporting others he'd still get a contract unless catastrophic injury ends his career, and then he probably has an insurance policy for millions in addition to what he's banked.

Unless he's in a Jack Johnson scenario.

 

[Tak7]

Marner would have to do us a favor. Good luck with that.

1. A sign and trade does Marner a favor, too - it nets him an extra year + $12-$14m on his deal.
2. I really don't think Marner is going to sign for max term. If the assumption is that the player is driven by money, then it makes sense for him to sign a shorter term deal while the cap is going up, so he can score another home run contract as a free agent in 3 or 4 years, for example. That would negate any need for a sign-and-trade.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

Only went and got the clip afterwards because I knew your ass would just try and deny it

Well, like, obviously that clip was a deep fake....

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

If you click the laughing emotion on a post, that means you've outsmarted them and they got absolutely owned.

 

[Stephen]

You're the one bringing it up 4 years later, and you literally had the clip. Shouldn't have been that hard to get it right, and avoid posting the opposite of what he said. If you can't get it right, don't post quotes in the first place.

After a close playoff loss, he said he wasn't going to change his playoff preparation, which is a reasonable answer considering that wasn't the issue. That's very different from not trying to improve as a player over the summer, and even within that same answer, he specifically noted that he wanted to get "stronger" and "faster".

What’s important here aren’t the exact words he said 4 summers ago, and how to splice not changing the routine vs changing. Because he failed to get stronger or faster and basically stayed at the same plateau of playoff failure. Actions speak louder than words.

4 years represents 45% of a 9 year career. He had a lot of time to turn things around and evolve as a player.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Is that how players are judged? Just on goals?

Damn, Matthews should get a max contract.

I didn't pick the criteria, I just responded to the post.

You really are losing it, aren't you?

 

[Trapper]

Ah, remember when we signed Tavares and wanted to trade a winger to balance the team and cap making us harder to play against.
Now we have an 11.5 winger with a NMC and the other walking for free.
And trying to balance the team to be harder to play against with limited assets to trade a no draft picks.
Good times. I’m proud of the whole thing.

 

[Peasy]

What’s important here aren’t the exact words he said 4 summers ago, and how to splice not changing the routine vs changing. Because he failed to get stronger or faster and basically stayed at the same plateau of playoff failure. Actions speak louder than words.

4 years represents 45% of a 9 year career. He had a lot of time to turn things around and evolve as a player.

Its also just about the dudes mentality/ego. Who tf, after getting embarrassed by a team that shouldnt have even been in the playoffs, just says theres nothing he should improve on/change and then just goes on a massive copium spree goin on about how close they were to winning. Close only counts in horseshoes Mitchy. Maybe someone should have told him that more.

It is just pure loser mentality. If im getting embarrassed like that I'm pissed, im going through my mistakes, im trying to hone in what I can work on to take my game to another level. But nah, Marner's attitude is just ahhh if we got another bounce or two we woulda won so theres nothing that needs to be changed. Yeah that sure worked out for you and the team's success.

That presser showed me everything I needed to know about Marner. Just like how Matthews "passengers" comment did the same thing.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Okay, so Matthews must be the most valuable asset in the NHL, right?

When discussing forwards, then yes, scoring goals is the most valuable asset, although obviously not the sole one, which is why Matthews is one of the highest paid players.

Glad you finally got that figured out.

 

[Confucius]

Okay, so Matthews must be the most valuable asset in the NHL, right?

69 goal Mathews worth every penny, 33 goal Mathews , see JT…

 

[Tak7]

Ah, remember when we signed Tavares and wanted to trade a winger to balance the team and cap making us harder to play against.
Now we have an 11.5 winger with a NMC and the other walking for free.
And trying to balance the team to be harder to play against with limited assets to trade a no draft picks.
Good times. I’m proud of the whole thing.

I don't think it's too early to start writing the epitaph for this failed era of Leafs hockey.

There's no cup run. There's no contender. Just a wasted opportunity.

 

[notDatsyuk]

If you click the laughing emotion on a post, that means you've outsmarted them and they got absolutely owned.

Sometimes you are actually laughing at a humorous post, but frequently you're laughing at how they got 'owned'. Unfortunately, on the poster's profile it shows up as a 'like', which is why I stopped 'laughing at' dekes' posts. They are usually laughable, but I won't pad his stats for him.

 

[MCR74]

Its also just about the dudes mentality/ego. Who tf, after getting embarrassed by a team that shouldnt have even been in the playoffs, just says theres nothing he should improve on/change and then just goes on a massive copium spree goin on about how close they were to winning. Close only counts in horseshoes Mitchy. Maybe someone should have told him that more.

It is just pure loser mentality. If im getting embarrassed like that I'm pissed, im going through my mistakes, im trying to hone in what I can work on to take my game to another level. But nah, Marner's attitude is just ahhh if we got another bounce or two we woulda won so theres nothing that needs to be changed. Yeah that sure worked out for you and the team's success.

That presser showed me everything I needed to know about Marner. Just like how Matthews "passengers" comment did the same thing.

I'm curious to see who the Vegas fans will blame when Mitch doesn't show up in the playoffs.

 

[Superstar]

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Could the Vegas Golden Knights or Dallas Stars get involved?

With the bar set so high in Vegas, I don’t expect George McPhee and Kelly McCrimmon to sit idle for long. There is plenty of speculation that they are getting ready to take a big run at Marner. This is where we’ll keep an eye on how expendable William Karlsson is to the Golden Knights. Jack Eichel is firmly in place down the middle for Vegas and commands big dollars already – plus he needs an extension before next summer – so teams see an opportunity to try and get Karlsson and are calling about the player. While Karlsson has been an integral player for Vegas since their expansion season, the lack of centre depth on the free agent market means he could bring back key assets to the Golden Knights while freeing up some much-needed cap space to do other business. If not Karlsson, some attention should be paid to Tomas Hertl, another centre who Vegas could move in the right deal.

Perhaps trading Karlsson and placing Alex Pietrangelo’s $8.8 million AAV on LTIR will be enough to land Marner in a projected $13-14 million range. There is real concern Pietrangelo’s injury is threatening enough to not only jeopardize his Olympic spot, but perhaps his entire season.

As far as Dallas is concerned, outside of a potential one-year deal for Jamie Benn, all eyes will now be focused on how they will get some fresh new talent to help support Mikko Rantanen. Could they take a serious run at Marner?

That may depend on the decision ownership and GM Jim Nill face on whether to re-sign Jason Robertson or cut him loose now with a trade. Robertson has one year remaining on his four-year $31 million deal signed in 2022.

The early word is the two-time 40-goal scorer may command as much as $12 million in AAV on a long-term deal, which may be too high for Dallas’ liking.

Trading Robertson could lead Dallas right into the mix for Marner.

I’m hearing as much as half the league will try and take a run at Marner in free agency, but the serious bidders will be established well before July 1. However, while the focus around Marner has to do with his free agent status, we can’t rule out the potential for a sign and trade here. For example, going back to Vegas and Karlsson, obtaining a No. 2 centre is as high a priority for Toronto as a top winger replacement for Marner this summer.

I'm sure Pietro will just so happen to be fully recovered for the playoffs...