Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Antropovsky]

If $12 "may be too high" for a "two-time 40-goal scorer" (high of 46), would they rather spend $13+ on a two-time 30-goal scorer (high of 35, 4 years ago), who's also 3 years older?

Beat me to it by a couple mins. I guess if Dallas wants a free asset and then trade Robertson to patch a different hole?

Otherwise, I dont get it.

 

[IronHookem]

New rumour out that Marner might only sign for 2 years, and then get his big payday when the cap has gone up quite a bit.

If true, then its such a dangerous game he is playing in an attempt to amass as much wealth as possible.
What if he regresses as a player under a different system/team? What if he suffers a career-altering injury? What if he continues to stink it up in the playoffs? A lot of things could tank his value and completely derail his s.c "big(ger) payday". The man might be too greedy for his own good.

 

[Racer88]

I hope they re-sign Marner just to make you guys mad

You cruel cruel man………lol

 

[thewave]

You cruel cruel man………lol

It would be pretty interesting to see. All the kids would be so happy that even after being such a victim he found the happiness

 

[weems]

Vegas is now huge betting favorite to sign Mitch.

 

[Drytoast]

So total playoff points are what matters?

Marner has more playoff points than matthews and Nylander.

The lack of logic or consistency with the marner haters is hilarious but not surprising at all.

Marner is gone bro. He milked us dry for everything he could, then got upset when he was held accountable. Blocked a trade at the deadline so we could have got something for him and has now cast us aside to go milk another tit.

He's not in it to win it, hes in it to get paid. And I'm bored of that

 

[thewave]

Marner is gone bro. He milked us dry for everything he could, then got upset when he was held accountable. Blocked a trade at the deadline so we could have got something for him and has now cast us aside to go milk another tit.

He's not in it to win it, hes in it to get paid. And I'm bored of that

Just perfectly summed it up. Thank you

He may be the lowest quality character individual in the Leafs history. Like the absolute lowest of lows with no humility, no accountability.

I put him at the bottom and he was right there with Dubas who I share the same sentiment on.

Even Clarkson felt awkward. He was embarrassed while this guy doesn't even care, it's just... You are all against me and don't support me bs lol. Just wow what a headcase.

 

[Peasy]

He'll end up in Vegas on like a 12x2/3 type of deal. I predict he wont be re-signed by Vegas by the time that contract ends.

 

[Gaberd2608]

He'll end up in Vegas on like a 12x2/3 type of deal. I predict he wont be re-signed by Vegas by the time that contract ends.

Just look at Hertl, as soon as they realize they can't win with him they will look to trade him or put him on LTIR lol.

Vegas is the opposite of the Leafs. For all the loyalty and things the Leafs did for Marner, Vegas is only interested in winning. The players are all interchangeable to them. Might be a good life lesson coming up.

 

[tmlfan98]

Vegas is now huge betting favorite to sign Mitch.

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The betting odds are finally catching up to reality.

 

[ToneDog]

Just look at Hertl, as soon as they realize they can't win with him they will look to trade him or put him on LTIR lol.

Vegas is the opposite of the Leafs. For all the loyalty and things the Leafs did for Marner, Vegas is only interested in winning. The players are all interchangeable to them. Might be a good life lesson coming up.

Vegas probably sees their window closing soon. Unfortunately they are betting on a 9 time proven playoff loser. Perhaps they should ask Dumb and Dumber how betting everything on him went for them.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I hope Vegas does sign Marner.

They're a team that takes winning seriously. There actually is pressure to win there. They also have zero loyalty to their players.

Easily the most cut throat team in the NHL.

If Marner thought Babcock was a prick wait until he gets a load of Cassidy. He's one of the most hated coaches in the league. I can't wait to read about the first time Cassidy calls Marner out.

First time Marner does his stupid no look spin-o-rama pass to nobody Cassidy will bench him.

At least Marner won't have to worry about the horrible toxic fans in Vegas because there aren't any. Most of the nights half the place will be filled with Leafs fans same as every other arena in the league. I hope they boo him every time he touches the puck everywhere he goes.

Like the beating of the tell tale heart he can be driven mad with the constant reminder of what he accomplished here.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Wondering if the Robertson rumors is just Dallas putting pressure on him to sign a deal.

Seems counterproductive to trade your 26 year old, 6'3, 210lb 40+ goal, 109 point winger... who had no elite centers and produced 30 points more than the next Star in 2022-2023

for a

For a 28 year old, 6' 180lb 20+ goal, 102 point winger for 13.5 million x3 years, whose spent the better part of the last 4 years with the games 1-3rd best center and has been a playoff bust.

Who would Dallas trade with? There isn't a player in the NHL with a 13.5M cap hit.

 

[png57]

I know there have been a ton of dumb and childish thoughts thrown out but expecting the team to be dumb and childish as well isn’t realistic.

What could possibly be detrimental to the team if they offer Marner a low contract? I'm sure many agree that he is not a very good playoff performer. And at this point, Treliving and the Leafs probably also feel Marner is just a nice-to-have asset rather than a resign-at-all-costs type of player.

So why shouldn't the Leafs go ahead and offer Marner a very low contract if he is only a "nice-to-have" player? Because it'll hurt his feelings?

 

[Dekes For Days]

You’re right, he is well on his way, signing Nylander and Matthews to those insane contracts. Thank goodness he’s not going to make the same mistake with Marner, who has been so good whenever he does the interviews with reporters after games (talk about smugness and the entitlement so that he, like Matthews and Nylander, never has to accept any blame after losses).

Nylander was overpaid on his UFA contract, but none of the contracts were "insane", and re-signing Matthews and Nylander were two of the best things Treliving has done. Not re-signing Marner is one of the worst things any GM could do. Losing one of the best players in the world in their prime for nothing is fireable on its own. Those 3 players consistently take responsibility, and aren't smug or entitled. You just don't want to acknowledge what actually happens, and expect them to do the same, and say all the ridiculous and untrue things about themselves and their performance that you say about them.

I have finally come to not blame Marner for wanting as much as he can get. He did it before, just like the other two.

Every player in the league wants as much as they can get, but only Nylander has really taken it on our team.

You can say Marner’s worth at least $14 million and I can say $12 million at the most. So what? You’re judging by the standards you think are right. Well guess what, I’m doing the same. You come up with all these metrics that you think define the player. Please tell me how you are positive that that is the way most/all GMs do that before signing a player?

It's not really about my personal opinion or standards. It's about understanding measures of relative player quality and impact, and a lot of research into how different metrics and characteristics historically correlate with contract valuation. You don't really have any consistent standard, and you keep getting it wrong and then blaming everybody else.

 

[Tak7]

Well they could feed off each other.

Unless Tre came out and said that was the offer or MM's camp came out and said the same thing.
I would not believe in these so called insiders

I have 0 reason not to believe Mirtle - he doesn't get fed anything from the Marner camp, and has talked several times about how his people have blacklisted him and several others at the Athletic for "unfair" coverage stretching back to 2019.

 

[thewave]

Nylander was overpaid on his UFA contract, but none of the contracts were "insane", and re-signing Matthews and Nylander were two of the best things Treliving has done. Not re-signing Marner is one of the worst things any GM could do. Losing one of the best players in the world in their prime for nothing is fireable on its own. Those 3 players consistently take responsibility, and aren't smug or entitled. You just don't want to acknowledge what actually happens, and expect them to do the same, and say all the ridiculous and untrue things about themselves and their performance that you say about them.

Every player in the league wants as much as they can get, but only Nylander has really taken it on our team.

It's not really about my personal opinion or standards. It's about understanding measures of relative player quality and impact, and a lot of research into how different metrics and characteristics historically correlate with contract valuation. You don't really have any consistent standard, and you keep getting it wrong and then blaming everybody else.

The majority are mostly right and they are certainly right with Marner. Low quality character, terrible issues with attitude and media due to being himself. No performance in hard series especially elimination games.

Just gotta move on from this failed experiment brought to you by the failed experiments of Dubas and Shanahan.

No results. No credible defense stands. Nothing can be said to change the majorities minds. The super fans of HFBoards are even more set in their position on Mitch.

It's over. Marner Dubas Shanahan all failures of the Clarkson level.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Just perfectly summed it up. Thank you

He may be the lowest quality character individual in the Leafs history. Like the absolute lowest of lows with no humility, no accountability.

I put him at the bottom and he was right there with Dubas who I share the same sentiment on.

Even Clarkson felt awkward. He was embarrassed while this guy doesn't even care, it's just... You are all against me and don't support me bs lol. Just wow what a headcase.

I'd change "may be" to "must be", at least I can't think of anyone who even comes close.

When he's gone, I wonder if stories will start to trickle in about how "well liked" in the dressing room he really was. Might have to wait until everyone's retired to hear the real truth but you never know.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Ah yes, cup finalists and Vezina goaltending. Two of the many excuses for this core's poor performances

Team quality and goaltending performance. Two of the many critical factors people like you ignore to misrepresent the performances of the core.

Who cares about offensive production when they win matchups!

I mean... kinda, yeah. If you're cherry picking at the blueline all game to score points, and let in more goals than you score yourself, that's not helping your team. You don't seem to realize that there's more to the game than points, and you don't seem to understand the factors that impact raw production, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Rob Brown]

I'd change "may be" to "must be", at least I can't think of anyone who even comes close.

When he's gone, I wonder if stories will start to trickle in about how "well liked" in the dressing room he really way. Might have to wait until everyone's retired to hear the real truth but you never know.

I think he probably is fairly well liked in the room because they see him in real life, away from the cameras etc. and he might be more normal. But in the context of the Toronto market, he just comes off as pretty unlikeable. I'm thinking of the contract stuff, that cringe video he made after he signed the big contract, the 'Gods' comment etc.

 

[Peasy]

I think he probably is fairly well liked in the room because they see him in real life, away from the cameras etc. and he might be more normal. But in the context of the Toronto market, he just comes off as pretty unlikeable. I'm thinking of the contract stuff, that cringe video he made after he signed the big contract, the 'Gods' comment etc.

"I dont think I need to work on anything this summer."

Bro had the absolutely worst PR training.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The majority are mostly right and they are certainly right with Marner. Low quality character, terrible issues with attitude and media due to being himself. No performance in hard series especially elimination games.

None of that is true.

Nothing can be said to change the majorities minds.

I know that many here will never change their minds. That tends to happen with positions based in anger instead of fact and logic, especially when there's a toxic echo chamber to fuel it.

 

[Madap]

None of that is true.

I know that many here will never change their minds. That tends to happen with positions based in anger instead of fact and logic, especially when there's a toxic echo chamber to fuel it.

The fact is we’ve lost an unprecedented amount in the playoffs over the last decade compared to the amount of success we’ve had. You can cherry pick whatever stats you want to support that our core isn’t the issue, but at the end of the day it’s abundantly clear that the cherry picked stats you use do not tell the full story.

And the problem with your argument is that what you think is logical may not be and I don’t think I’ve ever seen you concede that possibility.

 

[MCR74]

"I dont think I need to work on anything this summer."

Bro had the absolutely worst PR training.

Marner said this? Time to get him the f*** out of Toronto.

He can go sponge off Vegas for a few years. As for the Knights improving greatly with him, remember the Oilers took care of them easily.

 

[MCR74]

Marner is gone bro. He milked us dry for everything he could, then got upset when he was held accountable. Blocked a trade at the deadline so we could have got something for him and has now cast us aside to go milk another tit.

He's not in it to win it, hes in it to get paid. And I'm bored of that

I'd say go post this on the trade board, but most of them are allergic to facts.