Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[notbias]

After game 86, Marner's production drops by more than half.

He goes from producing at top line level, to mediocre 3rd line level.

Drops ... by ... more ... than ... half.

I know you'll keep spinning, but he's a loser.

I stopped replying to you because I found you boring and childish.

The issue is people pretending that Marner at his cap hit ever really helped this team, their blind adulation gets in the way of critical thinking, it's sad that this happens to adults.

Exactly.. it's like people pretending Nylander is better just because some playoffs he scores more.

Except that I didn't isolate or use random games.

I used the full playoffs that the poster I was responding to used, and just separated it into early and late games, which, as I said, confirmed the pattern which has been obvious for several years.

Sorry if you "hate facts".

Except you did.

You used after game 4 in Ottawa and after game 2 in Florida... no clue why.

Well if we are including Jr’s, JT back to back golds at the WJC, scoring 8 goals 7 assists in the 6 games, winning tournament MVP in 2009. JT also won gold at the olympics.

William twice led the World championships in Scoring, winning MVP in 2017, when Sweden won gold,

Ya, so Tavares > Marner > Nylander > Matthews when it comes to winning, I guess.

Yes, that's the whole point. Some games are more important than others. Some games have more pressure than others. Some games, if won, will advance your team in the playoffs. And in those games, Marner disappears and does nothing.

Yes, going down 3-1 to enter game 5 is perfectly fine.

I am pretty sure they just did this and game 2 or 3 was statistically most important.

... why, Marners game 5-7 are very very bad AND his overall stats are just as bad. A 13 goal pace in the playoffs since his huge payday in 2019 is absolutely horrific lol.

Btw I recently discovered an article in 2019 discussinf Marners contract. It indicated how its very possibly that it was a bad contract and the author cited that of all the % of the cap contracts that were similar to Marners in 2019, only Marner without goal scoring acumen.

I think we all noticed how cute passing is alot less inportant than goal scoring once playoffs roll around.

Then again, Marners playmaking has always been incredibly overrated. Amazing playmaker only when he has an elite goal scorer on his line.... hmm?

Cool.

How many game 7 wins has Marner been a part of?

How many has Kucherov?

So we are back to it being a team game or no?

Must be nice to have money left over to spend on defensemen and goalies....

Kucherov has 5 seasons better than Marner's best, and he's making less money.

Vasi was drafted by them and their best D was drafted by them.

They built their team through the draft mostly and they were all compensated fairly well.

I'd be curious to get the take home difference between 9.5 in Florida and 10.9 in Ontario.

Funny though, they couldn't win until they found the right bottom 6, their stars couldn't carry them.

 

[notbias]

Here are the top scorers in the NHL playoffs the past 3 years with 5 Florida Panthers on the list.

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Here are the salaries of those 5 players. Note all 5 Panthers make less then Leafs Core 4.

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Verhaege + Bennett combined = approx Matthews @ $13.25 mil

Here are the Leafs Core 4 scoring during that same time period.

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Thank goodness a "real GM" traded Florida Bennett and Tkachuk.

 

[mogs]

Yes, going down 3-1 to enter game 5 is perfectly fine.

I am pretty sure they just did this and game 2 or 3 was statistically most important.

Yes they did go down 3-1 last year to Boston and in those first 4 huge games marner has 2 of his whopping 3 points of the series. So he can also be a ghost early in a series, not just at the end.

 

[MCR74]

Yes they did go down 3-1 last year to Boston and in those first 4 huge games marner has 2 of his whopping 3 points of the series. So he can also be a ghost early in a series, not just at the end.

Don't tell Vegas.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes they did go down 3-1 last year to Boston and in those first 4 huge games marner has 2 of his whopping 3 points of the series. So he can also be a ghost early in a series, not just at the end.

Was that when Nylander was hosting his watch party or was that later in the series?

 

[Tak7]

Was that when Nylander was hosting his watch party or was that later in the series?

Nylander was concussed, wasn't medically cleared to play, and missed half the series before returning.

He still scored more than Marner who participated in all 7 games.

Odd flex. Even odder comparison.

 

[MCR74]

I just read the funniest thing on the trade board. A poster is hoping Marner will sign with Vegas for $10.5M x 4-5. The seriously shitty hot takes are starting early this year.

 

[Confucius]

I just read the funniest thing on the trade board. A poster is hoping Marner will sign with Vegas for $10.5M x 4-5. The seriously shitty hot takes are starting early this year.

That’s more realistic than 13 X8. Just my opinion

 

[MCR74]

That’s more realistic than 13 X8. Just my opinion

It may sound more realistic, but I highly doubt Mitch is considering a discount at this stage in his career.

 

[Confucius]

It may sound more realistic, but I highly doubt Mitch is considering a discount at this stage in his career.

It will be very interesting to see what Mitch ends up getting.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's like the paycheques run out or something.

Yeah you might be on to something there. Every time we talk about contracts, his fanboys come out to say that when it comes to contract, playoff performance doesn't matter. I keep saying that if I'm the guy in charge, it absolutely matters but that's me.

I stopped replying to you because I found you boring and childish.

FYI, you just replied chief.

You're out of arguments, that's all. You want one more piece of evidence that Marner's a loser? He's talking about leaving Toronto and if he actually does, that's the final piece of evidence and more proof than anyone could possibly ask for.

His hometown, the capital of the hockey world, where in his own words, players are treated like gods. Where he's been offered massive amount of money. Where he has made, and will continue to make more money in endorsements than he would make anywhere else. Where he dreamed of playing all his life. Where he could own all-time scoring records if he stays. Where he has a spot on legends row waiting for him. It's all right there for him on a silver plate, he has everything he could possibly dream of so why would even consider walking away?

Because he's a loser, that's why. He plays like a wuss when the pressure is on, therefore some people dare to take a break from treating him like a god and criticize him and he can't take it. All it would take is for one spring where he plays like he's worth all that money and all the bad is forgotten so why would he leave? Because he doesn't believe in himself, that's why. He knows that he's simply not up to the challenge. When players adjust to playoff hockey, when the going gets tough and the tough get going, Marner fades away. He's not up to the challenge, so he's running away. He can't stand the heat, so he's running away from the kitchen.

He's a loser.

 

[notbias]

FYI, you just replied chief.

And I will again, your unhinged rants are enjoyable.

You're out of arguments, that's all. You want one more piece of evidence that Marner's a loser? He's talking about leaving Toronto and if he actually does, that's the final piece of evidence and more proof than anyone could possibly ask for.

His hometown, the capital of the hockey world, where in his own words, players are tread like gods. Where he's been offered massive amount of money. Where he has made, and will continue to make more money in endorsements than he would make anywhere else. Where he dreamed of playing all his life. Where he could own all-time scoring records if he stays. Where he has a spot on legends row waiting for him. It's all right there for him on a silver plate, he has everything he could possibly dream of so why would even consider walking away?

Because he's a loser, that's why. He plays like a wuss when the pressure is on, therefore some people dare to take a break from treating him like a god and criticize him and he can't take it. All it would take is for one spring where he plays like he's worth all that money and all the bad is forgotten so why would he leave? Because he doesn't believe in himself, that's why. He knows that he's simply not up to the challenge. When players adjust to playoff hockey, when the going gets tough and the tough get going, Marner fades away. He's not up to the challenge, so he's running away. He can't stand the heat, so he's running away from the kitchen.

He's a loser.

Insane to call someone a loser who is more successful than you... But alright, it was a fun read.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Exactly.. it's like people pretending Nylander is better just because some playoffs he scores more.

Yeah - who would think scoring goals in the playoffs was important?

Except you did.

You used after game 4 in Ottawa and after game 2 in Florida... no clue why.

Read what I wrote - it's very clearly explained.

 

[MCR74]

Yeah you might be on to something there. Every time we talk about contracts, his fanboys come out to say that when it comes to contract, playoff performance doesn't matter. I keep saying that if I'm the guy in charge, it absolutely matters but that's me.

It should absolutely matter to everyone. I thought the goal was to win the big prize, not pad your stats.

 

[Mike4Leafs4ever]

Yeah you might be on to something there. Every time we talk about contracts, his fanboys come out to say that when it comes to contract, playoff performance doesn't matter. I keep saying that if I'm the guy in charge, it absolutely matters but that's me.

FYI, you just replied chief.

You're out of arguments, that's all. You want one more piece of evidence that Marner's a loser? He's talking about leaving Toronto and if he actually does, that's the final piece of evidence and more proof than anyone could possibly ask for.

His hometown, the capital of the hockey world, where in his own words, players are tread like gods. Where he's been offered massive amount of money. Where he has made, and will continue to make more money in endorsements than he would make anywhere else. Where he dreamed of playing all his life. Where he could own all-time scoring records if he stays. Where he has a spot on legends row waiting for him. It's all right there for him on a silver plate, he has everything he could possibly dream of so why would even consider walking away?

Because he's a loser, that's why. He plays like a wuss when the pressure is on, therefore some people dare to take a break from treating him like a god and criticize him and he can't take it. All it would take is for one spring where he plays like he's worth all that money and all the bad is forgotten so why would he leave? Because he doesn't believe in himself, that's why. He knows that he's simply not up to the challenge. When players adjust to playoff hockey, when the going gets tough and the tough get going, Marner fades away. He's not up to the challenge, so he's running away. He can't stand the heat, so he's running away from the kitchen.

He's a loser.

And also leaving his core 4 teammates that he supposedly loves so much.

 

[notbias]

Yeah - who would think scoring goals in the playoffs was important?

Marner has contributed to more goals than Nylander in the playoffs.


Career:

Last three years:

Not sure who is helping more...

Read what I wrote - it's very clearly explained.

Naw... too many people using useless stats to keep track of.

 

[mogs]

Marner has contributed to more goals than Nylander in the playoffs.


Career:
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Last three years:
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Not sure who is helping more...



Naw... too many people using useless stats to keep track of.

Damn he's gonna with the trophy for most goals contributed to, awesome. How many did he score?

 

[notbias]

Damn he's gonna with the trophy for most goals contributed to, awesome. How many did he score?

Bennett > McDavid?

No one ever responds to this question because it shows how dumb their argument is.

 

[MCR74]

Damn he's gonna with the trophy for most goals contributed to, awesome. How many did he score?

No, no, wait... Vegas will love these stats.

 

[Tak7]

Naw... too many people using useless stats to keep track of.

This might surprise you, BUT:

Games later in the series, where the result can literally dictate whether your season ends, the stakes get higher, and the checking gets tighter, are viewed by most reasonable and logical people as very important.

Asserting that those games are more important than games early in a series, is not "useless". It's "common sense".

The Florida Panthers proved this.

They lost the first 2 games in the Toronto series. Still won.
They lost game 1 of the Cup Final. Still won.

The irony of your username is pretty hilarious to me.

 

[mogs]

Bennett > McDavid?

No one ever responds to this question because it shows how dumb their argument is.

They both score goals in the playoffs, which marner is incapable of. Both are better playoff players than marner. By far.

 

[notbias]

This might surprise you, BUT:

Games later in the series, where the result can literally dictate whether your season ends, are viewed by most reasonable and logical people as very important.

Asserting that those games are more important than games early in a series, is not "useless". It's "common sense".

The irony of your username is pretty hilarious to me.

Which is the most important game out of all of them?

I just want someone to say Marner > Kucherov because he has produced 1 more assist than Kucherov in game 7s.

They both score goals in the playoffs, which marner is incapable of. Both are better playoff players than marner. By far.

Thank you for avoiding the question since you can't answer it honestly and keep up with your argument.

 

[mogs]

No, no, wait... Vegas will love these stats.

I want him to stay in the east so we have a higher chance of playing him in the playoffs. If the series goes beyond 4 we're golden. Just watch out for his goals percentage,apparently he wins at that.

 

[mogs]

Which is the most important game out of all of them?

I just want someone to say Marner > Kucherov because he has produced 1 more assist than Kucherov in game 7s.



Thank you for avoiding the question since you can't answer it honestly and keep up with your argument.

Do you even watch the games or just spreadsheets?

 

[notbias]

I want him to stay in the east so we have a higher chance of playing him in the playoffs. If the series goes beyond 4 we're golden. Just watch out for his goals percentage,apparently he wins at that.

It takes a special kind of person to think that scoring more goals than the opposition is not important to winning...