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Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

But according to some in here, he "wins" when he's on the ice.

Goal Percentage
2025 - 57.9%
2024 - 60%
2023 - 66.7%
2022 - 63.6%
2021 - 75%
2020 - 25%
2019 - 44.4%
2018 - 66.7%
2017 - 50%

Can you tell me if that is winning when on the ice or not?

I'm unsure if scoring more goals than the opponent helps to win or not.
 
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Goal Percentage
2025 - 57.9%
2024 - 60%
2023 - 66.7%
2022 - 63.6%
2021 - 75%
2020 - 25%
2019 - 44.4%
2018 - 66.7%
2017 - 50%

Can you tell me if that is winning when on the ice or not?
In all the playoff games I've watched, which is all of them, marner plays a lot and the leafs lose a lot. Especially important games. No one cares about goal percentage. Marner has scored zero percent of goals in elimination games.
 
In all the playoff games I've watched, which is all of them, marner plays a lot and the leafs lose a lot. Especially important games. No one cares about goal percentage. Marner has scored zero percent of goals in elimination games.

Well, that is a sound argument, that definitely is more important than his lines outscoring the opponent's lines, and Marner does play 100% of the games.

Good job.
 
Well, that is a sound argument, that definitely is more important than his lines outscoring the opponent's lines, and Marner does play 100% of the games.

Good job.
Because a random stat tells the whole story. That's exactly how dubas built his teams, by looking at stats. Damn they sure won a whole lot.
 
Because a random stat tells the whole story. That's exactly how dubas built his teams, by looking at stats. Damn they sure won a whole lot.

A random stat?

It is the stat of who is winning when that player is on the ice.................................... it is goals.

All NHL teams use stats, hate to break it to you.
 
That's crazy, crunch Kucherov's in game 7s only...
Kucherov, Games 5/6/7, since 2019:

21 Games Played
5 goals
9 assists
13 points

Marner, Games 5/6/7, since 2019 extension:

22 Games Played
0 goals
7 assists
6 points

Kucherov, since 2019, playoffs:

87 Games Played
24 goals
86 assists
110 points
2 cups

Marner, since 2019 extension, playoffs:

50 games played
8 goals
38 assists
46 points

It's cute that you think these 2 players might be comparable, but they really aren't.
 
Kucherov, Games 5/6/7, since 2019:

21 Games Played
5 goals
9 assists
13 points

Marner, Games 5/6/7, since 2019 extension:

22 Games Played
0 goals
7 assists
6 points

Kucherov, since 2019, playoffs:

87 Games Played
24 goals
86 assists
110 points
2 cups

Marner, since 2019 extension, playoffs:

50 games played
8 goals
38 assists
46 points

It's cute that you think these 2 players might be comparable, but they really aren't.

Do the most important game... game 7.

Let's isolate more, you like isolating, keep going.
 
The frenzy is because they lost the narrative. People and teams are talking along the lines of playoff choker. Not a goal scorer. Not worth the Rantanen contract who just had an amazing playoff.

When you lose the narrative, you lose the money. GMs don't want to go down in history being the one that overpaid a playoff paperweight and handcuffing the team etc.

Mitch wanting 2 years deal at 12 to prove himself is high risk on his own part and looks even more greedy.

I think we could get him without a NMC and maybe just a limited trade clause. Then we can flip that for assets. It's what I would do. Give home the 1st year NMC and after that we trade

Oh well
If he entertains other offers and then signs with us for 2x12 and no NMC, doesn’t that mean nobody else wanted him at 2x12 even without giving up assets, so how do we suddenly trade him?
 
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People can spin it anyway they want, but to say Marner hasn’t been anything but disappointing in the playoffs, is just absurd.

He has the right to leave, and I’m glad he’s exercising it. The Leafs need a reset from this group, and this is step one

It's as if playoffs don't matter or something.
 
Thought I saw a stat that showed Floridas bottom guys were paid less than Toronto's .
I may have misheard though.
Maybe their forth line. As Lundel and Marchand are paid like 10mil combined, which is pretty much our bottom 6 of McMann(1.5), Domi(3.75), Laughton(1.5), Calle(2.1) and Lorentz and Max making 1.4combined.

But one thing for sure, think our top 6 usually makes more than top 6 of others teams as played in playoffs.
 
Id like to point out Marner had 13 points in 13 playoff games this year. Hardly a poor performance. The only upside I see in letting him walk is having the money he'll command to spend elsewhere. There are some tasty treats available this summer.
More than half those points were in the first four games against Ottawa.

In the last two against Ottawa and the last four against Florida he managed a total of two assists, further cementing his legacy of disappearing in the later games.
 
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Do the most important game... game 7.

Let's isolate more, you like isolating, keep going.

Nikita Kucherov, game 7s:

6 games played:
0 goals
0 assists
0 points, +1

4-2 record.

Mitch Marner, game 7s:

5 games played:
0 goals
1 assist
1 point, -5

0-5 record.

Go ahead - what conclusion would you like to make from the above?
 
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More than half those points were in the first four games against Ottawa.

In the last two against Ottawa and the last for against Florida he managed a total of two assists, further cementing his legacy of disappearing in the later games.

"When I isolate random games, he looks bad"
 
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Nikita Kucherov, game 7s:

6 games played:
0 goals
0 assists
0 points, +1

4-2 record.

Mitch Marner, game 7s:

5 games played:
0 goals
1 assist
1 point, -5

Go ahead - what conclusion would you like to make from the above?

My conclusion: Vasi is very good.

Doesn't he have some insane game 7 numbers?
 
My conclusion: Vasi is very good.

Doesn't he have some insane game 7 numbers?
....gotta be honest: I have no idea what relevance Nikita Kucherov and Andriy Vasilevskiy's impressive playoff success has to do in a discussion about Marner and his disappearing production as series get deeper & tighter.

I have a feeling you've forgotten what point you're trying to make here?
 
....gotta be honest: I have no idea what relevance Nikita Kucherov and Andriy Vasilevskiy's impressive playoff success has to do in a discussion about Marner and his disappearing production as series get deeper & tighter.

I have a feeling you've forgotten what point you're trying to make here?

It's called "reaching".
 
No, there are numbers that makes sense and numbers that don't, that is every player.

The issue is people pretending that Marner never helped this team, their blind hatred gets in the way of critical thinking, it's sad that this happens to adults.
The issue is people pretending that Marner at his cap hit ever really helped this team, their blind adulation gets in the way of critical thinking, it's sad that this happens to adults.
 
The issue is people pretending that Marner at his cap hit ever really helped this team, their blind adulation gets in the way of critical thinking, it's sad that this happens to adults.

I hope the fans of Marner's new team have as much blind adulation when he soaks them for $13M+ and disappears after game 82.
 
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....gotta be honest: I have no idea what relevance Nikita Kucherov and Andriy Vasilevskiy's impressive playoff success has to do in a discussion about Marner and his disappearing production as series get deeper & tighter.

I have a feeling you've forgotten what point you're trying to make here?
Even if those two are as bad as Marner were in the playoffs, they still make less money than him per season.

As it currently stands Marner should make about 8.5 tops.
 
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