Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Antropovsky]

Best player in the league, your 2024-25 P/60 leader in the playoffs.

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Lol...AND the award for poster with the least amount of hockey knowlege goes to @notbias !! Youve been awarded a lifetime membership to the Senators board, they eagerly await your contributions.

 

[Suntouchable13]

So he doesn't produce in the unimportant games in the playoffs?

He produces less than Marner in the playoffs, just trying to figure out why.

And which games are unimportant? I am sure going down 3-1 in the first 4 games is not ideal.

You're being really obtuse. He scored 10 goals just this post season alone, past his prime. Marner has 13 goals total in 9 years playing in the playoffs.

 

[notbias]

Great, now compare the salaries. How many below Marner made more than him? And how about when he gets over 13M?

Panarin for sure, not sure who else, Nylander and Matthews too.

You're being really obtuse. He scored 10 goals just this post season alone, past his prime. Marner has 13 goals total in 9 years playing in the playoffs.

So, 2025 Bennett > 2024 McDavid?

Just want to know how much more important goals are.

Lol...AND the award for poster with the least amount of hockey knowlege goes to @notbias !! Youve been awarded a lifetime membership to the Senators board, they eagerly await your contributions.

I apologize for using the criteria you gave as an argument, carry on cherry picking stats.

 

[Racer88]

You responded to my post with my original point... thank you for helping me with the argument I was making, I appreciate the support.



Those were playoff stats I gave...

It is funny how you thought it was the regular season.

Maybe Marner isn't as bad as you think.



Marner.

Those players were not good in Calgary, they needed Florida to do well.

Do you think Marner would do well in the same circumstances?

Sounds like Marner may end up in Vegas, curious to see how he does there.

Vegas would be interesting. I do not think Marner would score like either of those 2 and I’m talking about actual goals. He would not bring the nastiest that they bring. That nastiest made a difference. Same goes for Marchand. He was instrumental in their march to the cup.
I did something this year that I usually don’t do, that’s watch games after the leafs are eliminated. Timely goals are huge

 

[notDatsyuk]

He produces less than Marner... I hate that fact too, because we might sign Marchand for an overpayment, and Marner is going to walk, but those are the facts.

I think it would be silly to hate any fact, but especially one like that a second or third line winger produces less than a top line winger.

I don't think Marchand will sign here. He seems to have too much fun baiting and laughing at us from a distance.

 

[Tak7]

Shockingly, I think a lot of people just think hockey is a team game and think he is singled out far too much.

Especially since the team is winning when he is on the ice, usually.

What's the definition of an actual Leafs fan? Someone who complains about everything and never enjoys a game? It actually kind of fits...

Someone who puts team ahead of player.

 

[notbias]

Someone who puts team ahead of player.

Seems like it disqualifies most people in this thread who dislike Marner based on non-hockey things and want him gone regardless of money.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Seems like it disqualifies most people in this thread who dislike Marner based on non-hockey things and want him gone regardless of money.

Yes, I want him gone. We need a shakeup. This core will never win together. It just doesn't work.

 

[Tak7]

Seems like it disqualifies most people in this thread who dislike Marner based on non-hockey things and want him gone regardless of money.

Does it, though?

Seems like most people's reasons for disliking Marner stem from his behavior as a member of their favorite hockey team.

And letting him go is very much a hockey-related decision for myself - they haven't won with him, and I don't think they can win with him. It sucks, but I'm irrationally ready for something completely different.

 

[notbias]

Does it, though?

Seems like most people's reasons for disliking Marner stem from his behavior as a member of their favorite hockey team.

And letting him go is very much a hockey-related decision for myself - they haven't won with him, and I don't think they can win with him. It sucks, but I'm irrationally ready for something completely different.

Your definition of what makes someone a fan is just someone who aligns with your opinion, it seems.

Same as the question below, at what price? Assuming Nylander and Matthews are overpaid?

Yes, I want him gone. We need a shakeup. This core will never win together. It just doesn't work.

What price would you bring him back?

There has to be a number... 18th in active PPG for playoff performers, usually winning when he is on the ice.

 

[Canadian Finn]

 

[Menzinger]

Looking more like he's going to try and get on a Western contender on a 2ish year deal then look for the retirement deal afterwards. Jump to Vegas then to enjoy retirement in rebuilding Anaheim for example

 

[Leafs87]

Looking more like he's going to try and get on a Western contender on a 2ish year deal then look for the retirement deal afterwards. Jump to Vegas then to enjoy retirement in rebuilding Anaheim for example

He better play lights f***ing out if that’s the intention lol

 

[Mess]

The year 2015

Mitch Marner .. " The Leafs made a risky pick on a small winger from Toronto"

Mitch Marner, reflecting on his time with the Toronto Maple Leafs, acknowledged the "risky pick" the team made on him, a small winger, and expressed his gratitude for being given the opportunity to play for the organization. He emphasized how much it has meant to him to wear the Maple Leaf and be part of the team's history. However, he also acknowledged that his future with the team is uncertain, stating, "We'll see what happens," as his contract nears expiration

Now 10 years later the world recognizes how poor a decision that was, as it achieved a mere 2 playoff series wins and a hostile departure leaving the Leafs nothing.

 

[thewave]

The year 2015

Mitch Marner .. " The Leafs made a risky pick on a small winger from Ontario"

Mitch Marner, reflecting on his time with the Toronto Maple Leafs, acknowledged the "risky pick" the team made on him, a small winger, and expressed his gratitude for being given the opportunity to play for the organization. He emphasized how much it has meant to him to wear the Maple Leaf and be part of the team's history. However, he also acknowledged that his future with the team is uncertain, stating, "We'll see what happens," as his contract nears expiration

Now 10 years later the world recognizes how poor a decision that was, as it achieved a mere 2 playoff series wins and a hostile departure leaving the Leafs nothing.

Who said he was a risky pick and did he just recently acknowledge it? That's crazy

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yep. Someone break the bank for Mitch, and when he disappears in the playoffs again, the spin will be incredible.

It's incredible now.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Your definition of what makes someone a fan is just someone who aligns with your opinion, it seems.

Same as the question below, at what price? Assuming Nylander and Matthews are overpaid?



What price would you bring him back?

There has to be a number... 18th in active PPG for playoff performers, usually winning when he is on the ice.

Marner's a loser, simple as that. It doesn't seem possible that someone could have watched him in the playoffs all these years and not understand that.

 

[Confucius]

Panarin for sure, not sure who else, Nylander and Matthews too.



So, 2025 Bennett > 2024 McDavid?

Just want to know how much more important goals are.



I apologize for using the criteria you gave as an argument, carry on cherry picking stats.

Well at the end of the day Bennet has 2 cups, McDavid has zero. Would you trade all the success McDavid has for being a big part of winning a Cup.

 

[Hellcat]

McDavid has the second-highest playoff points per 60 minutes in NHL history, second only to Wayne Gretzky. Do you realize what that means?

Marner isn’t even worthy of washing McDavid’s jockstrap, let alone being mentioned in the same breath as playoff McDavid.

Yes, you're being wildly delusional.

Do you realize that Connor has won as many League Championships as Mitch. We;ve all has the misfortune of listening to you whine for a year over how Mitch needs to go because he disappears when it matters and so does McDavid. Not sure you even know what point you are trying to make anymore, you all over the place...

 

[Mess]

Who said he was a risky pick and did he just recently acknowledge it? That's crazy

Mitch Marner's First Words After Possible Last Game with Maple Leafs​

The Leafs drafted Marner with the No. 4 overall pick in the 2015 NHL draft, and he reflected on his time with the franchise after the Game 7 collapse.

 

[Confucius]

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Mitch Marner's First Words After Possible Last Game with Maple Leafs​

The Leafs drafted Marner with the No. 4 overall pick in the 2015 NHL draft, and he reflected on his time with the franchise after the Game 7 collapse.

But it appears it hasn’t meant everything, has it? If he came back with no raise I might believe him but if he moves on for more cash it hasn’t meant more than making an extra million or 2. Am I mistaken?

 

[Suntouchable13]

Your definition of what makes someone a fan is just someone who aligns with your opinion, it seems.

Same as the question below, at what price? Assuming Nylander and Matthews are overpaid?



What price would you bring him back?

There has to be a number... 18th in active PPG for playoff performers, usually winning when he is on the ice.

No price. I want him gone.

 

[Stephen]

Who said he was a risky pick and did he just recently acknowledge it? That's crazy

He called himself a “maybe a risky pick”. Which means he’s conscious of the faith the organization put into him, and yet has chosen to lay blame on the Leafs for a hazy sense of mistreatment.

Even his father spoke about how Connor McDavid cast such a long shadow over Mitch and other 2015 picks that he didn’t have the same pedigree as a top pick.

All the while he’s never earned less than 8 figures on a non ELC deal and given 9 years of runway to do something special. So much for mistreatment.

End of the day people don’t like him because he’s the hometown kid who turned out to be th hometown brat. He hasn’t conducted himself well in the heat of battle, showing fragility, smallness and inability to compete. And his party has chosen to blame the hometown team and made a big ugly show about what unique and creative ways he’s going to chase the money. You go chase the money, Mitch.

 

[Stephen]

No price. I want him gone.

Yep. I don’t want to see the Toronto Maple Leafs fortunes linked to Marner’s shambles in the brain in the future, featuring the same frailties, insecurities and resentments as the past 9 years. Need something different.

 

[Stephen]

Marner's a loser, simple as that. It doesn't seem possible that someone could have watched him in the playoffs all these years and not understand that.

The tone deafness is just so wild to me. For a guy who has a reputation for being so talented but a fixture on a fundamentally underachiever team, his UFA flex is to flaunt how he’s going to be the belle of the ball, take his royal visit to mid July to teams, to grant the Leafs one limited meeting, and pursue exotically short deals so he can cash in once more. Of course he’s within his right to pursue those things and chase after whatever but this would be a little much if this was the 90s and it was someone like Alexei Yashin pulling this stuff, let alone a hometown kid.