Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Antropovsky]

NHL Trade Rumors' Brian La Rose writes, "As a result, while Mikko Rantanen recently set the NHL record for the highest AAV ($12MM) given to a winger, Marner is expected to eclipse that with speculation that multiple teams are ready to offer $14MM or more."

Much of the speculation of late has centered around the Western Conference. The Ducks and Golden Knights are two teams that have been circled as likely to try and break the bank for Marner.


Name one.

This is Team Marner propaganda.

Will they do 2x14 million though?

 

[Menzinger]

I think Sens make alot of sense for both.

I could see them doing a 2-3 year deal he wants, because Tkatchuks deal is up on 2 years and he likely would be gone. Their ownership may think that showing they are serious about winning may get him to re-sign.

Sens have excellent #1 Dman in Sanderson, have big physical star players in Sanderson and Tkatchuk.

Kind of environment Marner needs IMO to succees, his lack of physical play in the shadow of very physical players.

Personally I doubt he signs in the East let alone it be another Atlantic division team. He's going to want to return to Toronto as little as possible as a player.

Hell head to the south/West

 

[KaN19]

This guy really is a disgusting character.

Using the media to put out feelers out on what the reaction would be to him going on a 2-week wine and dine league tour, and now possibly taking a 2-year deal to maximize every single dollar possible.

In the end I doubt he goes through with either idea, but it says a lot about him that his agent and dad are throwing it out there.

 

[Trapper]

Will they do 2x14 million though?

And why exactly would Marner eclipse the Rantanen salary?

 

[Caesium]

This guy really is a disgusting character.

Using the media to put out feelers out on what the reaction would be to him going on a 2-week wine and dine league tour, and now possibly taking a 2-year deal to maximize every single dollar possible.

In the end I doubt he goes through with either idea, but it says a lot about him that his agent and dad are throwing it out there.

Or it could be all bullshit thrown out by "journalists" looking for clicks, and you getting mad over shadows.

 

[LeafSteel]

Or it could be all bullshit thrown out by "journalists" looking for clicks, and you getting mad over shadows.

When it comes to his contract negotiation tactics, has Marner and his camp done anything to merit any benefit of the doubt?

Sorry, there has been a marked lack of good faith since his RFA negotiation where he lost a good segment of this fanbase.

He now looks like he’s going to foul whatever positive sentiment there is left .

He’s absolutely ruining his legacy. I think it will be something he looks back on and regrets how he went about things at the end of his career.

 

[mikeyz]

Or it could be all bullshit thrown out by "journalists" looking for clicks, and you getting mad over shadows.

I doubt it Paul. We know what you and your son's entourage are capable of.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

He knows he's gonna be the highest paid player in the league for most of that contract anyway.

If he doesn't win a cup most people would only put him as better than Marcel Dionne but not top ten players of all time. A cup or two would put him arguably top five. But until then he's just a great player who couldn't get it done when it mattered most.

Right now he's a loser and he knows it.

Exactly this. But the Participation Trophy Generation(s) will never understand this.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Canada day will be a very beautiful day when he signs somewhere else. Good riddance. The guy is a loser (in hockey, not in his life) and so are his other 3 teammates.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

If 97 is a loser, I'll take 10 please.

He didn't say 97 is a loser. He said that in the grand scheme of things he would be considered a good but not great player (a la Dionne) if he doesn't win a Cup. And he would be correct. Personally I think Connor hates losing and will be whatever it takes to win.... unlike our Core 5.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

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[Antropovsky]

And why exactly would Marner eclipse the Rantanen salary?

In a low tax state he would probably take 2x12.

If he takes a 2 or 3 year contract, his next contract is 7 or 8 years would take him to 38 or 39 years old. Instead of 36, if he signs a contract for 8 years right now.

Kadri's curract contract takes him to 38 years old, making 7 million.

Tavares is 34 right now, so Kadri's contract is 4 years longer. Tavares is the superior player over his career, same age as Kadri, and Toronto is offering him reportedly 4.5 millionish.

But if Marner wants the short contract, maybe sign for two years at 11 million...which takes his original RFA contract to 8 years, provides a lower hit so Toronto and then Marner gets his 7-8 year contract that takes him to 38 years old.

Marner is completely not flexible and greedy.... obsessed with every nickel.

Matthews couldve gotten ALOT more on the open market but he signed with Toronto with no fuss.

Not Marner. He wants Toronto to match what the market will give him.

Not only does Marner suck the most in plahoffs od the core 4, but he also wants to be the most overpaid of the bunch ONCE AGAIN.

Good riddance Mitch the %itch.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

He got some bad advise.

OK Darren.

 

[Stephen]

When it comes to his contract negotiation tactics, has Marner and his camp done anything to merit any benefit of the doubt?

Sorry, there has been a marked lack of good faith since his RFA negotiation where he lost a good segment of this fanbase.

He know looks like he’s going to foul whatever positive sentiment there is left .

He’s absolutely ruining his legacy. I think it will be something he looks back on and regrets how he went about things at the end of his career.

The worst part is Marner Camp and their whisper campaigns need to character assassinate the franchise, city, media, fanbase to justify their business choice of leaving, like we had no choice but to behave this way due to prior incidents.

James Mirtle breaks down the financial implications:

Could Mitch Marner and Connor McDavid start a new NHL trend of short-term deals?

Long-term in 2025 option

Marner signs next week for seven years around $13 million, which equates to $91 million. He would be eligible for another contract in 2032, when he would be 35 and likely to command only a significant salary for another three or four years, tops.

Let’s call it another $40 million, for a total of $131 million.

Short-term in 2025 option

Marner signs next week for four years at around $13 million, which equates to $52 million. He would be eligible for another contract in 2029, when he would be 32 and able to sign a new eight-year deal under a cap that will then likely be around $125 million.

At the same cap hit percentage as his highly plausible $13 million deal this season, that’s $17 million a season, or another $136 million. Added to the $52 million, it’s a total of $188 million, or nearly 50 percent more than our long-term scenario.

All of this would be added to the roughly $70 million he’s already made in his career.

This is assuming someone would want to pay him an 8 year massive contract starting at age 32.

 

[Da Mash]

Canada day will be a very beautiful day when he signs somewhere else. Good riddance. The guy is a loser (in hockey, not in his life) and so are his other 3 teammates.

Reilly gets a pass? Been here longer and has won what?
Why doesn’t he waive his full NMC? Has regressed and how many assets did we waste to hid his warts?

The guy is like Teflon around here

 

[MCR74]

And why exactly would Marner eclipse the Rantanen salary?

Because he's Mitch Marner. Duh!

 

[OpenNetSniper]

This diva's gotta go. Who knows what's real in all these articals/reports? But I do know, he hasn't brought it when needed, and that's enough for me to move on from him. Let him make his bag and win with another team...so he can love himself even more

 

[Apex Predator]

I’ve been hearing about all these short term deals that could happen and have yet to see it from anyone besides Matthews and Marner. We’ll see if McDavid or others do it in the next few years.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Suntouchable13]

Reilly gets a pass? Been here longer and has won what?
Why doesn’t he waive his full NMC? Has regressed and how many assets did we waste to hid his warts?

The guy is like Teflon around here

O yea, I forgot about him. Sorry. Just the top 4 paid guys came to mind. I forgot about Rielly.

 

[MCR74]

This diva's gotta go. Who knows what's real in all these articals/reports? But I do know, he hasn't brought it when needed, and that's enough for me to move on from him. Let him make his bag and win with another team...so he can love himself even more

Exactly. Everyone's going on about how we're losing him for nothing. Who cares? The only difference we'll see in Marner at $13M or more is that he'll be richer and the team will be in the same rut.

 

[Mess]

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The fact that Marner is under contract to the Leafs currently and is not approachable by any other team nor pondering any options from them under the leagues tampering rules.

So anyone tossing out any term and rate is simply guessing at best and lying at worst.

 

[Mess]

Exactly. Everyone's going on about how we're losing him for nothing. Who cares? The only difference we'll see in Marner at $13M or more is that he'll be richer and the team will be in the same rut.

Exactly.

Paying your own players more money doesn't make them better or more effective, it only costs your team more cap space and weakens the potential team surrounding that contract.

Another team is soon to find this out the hard way. Leafs already learned that lesson and paid dearly in Cup competitiveness these past 6 years.

 

[647Hockey]

Good regular season player. He'll get 100 pts on Leafs who have other skilled forwards. On a weak offensive team it'll be less. He'll probably drop to 80 pts.

Playoffs he's a disaster. If you look at his playoff stats, getting 63 pts in 70 games doesn't seem too bad. Playoffs should dump down players pts a bit as it's a tougher game against good teams.

Problem is the guy's pts are frontloaded in games 1-4. Once the series gets to games 5-7 where it counts to end a series he (and the other core 4) basically all turn in Casper the Friendly Ghosts and disappear.

Been going on year after year. I dont see how he magically changes and becomes a playoff stud on another team. But he'll do fine in regular season.

 

[sunstersun]

Good regular season player. He'll get 100 pts on Leafs who have other skilled forwards. On a weak offensive team it'll be less. He'll probably drop to 80 pts.

Playoffs he's a disaster. If you look at his playoff stats, getting 63 pts in 70 games doesn't seem too bad. Playoffs should dump down players pts a bit as it's a tougher game against good teams.

Problem is the guy's pts are frontloaded in games 1-4. Once the series gets to games 5-7 where it counts to end a series he (and the other core 4) basically all turn in Casper the Friendly Ghosts and disappear.

Been going on year after year. I dont see how he magically changes and becomes a playoff stud on another team. But he'll do fine in regular season.

It's also incredibly bad for how expensive the 1st line is regardless of game 1-4 or 5-7.

Usually if you get paid 11 mil, you have a worse 1C and 1LW, instead we've had 2 overpaid jokers underperforming. The last 2 seasons they've had Knies so scratch that worse LW too. He's above average 1LW.

The output ain't acceptable unless you're driving your own line with bums solo. Not on a 36.75 million dollar 1st line. It's why Matthews in 2023 was peak with Domi and Bertuzzi.