Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Racer88]

This market and this management team.

They failed to sign him last offseason when he was interested in doing so, and then instead of being patient and respecting his choice to focus on the season, they alienated him, put public pressure on him, and created a media circus at the deadline for no reason.

We will unquestionably be worse than we could have been, and we're extremely likely to be worse than we are now, unless we have some prospects excel way beyond expectations or something.

No specific player is a prerequisite for a cup, but making a team worse certainly doesn't get them closer to winning, and given our situation, it will be extremely hard to get back to cup caliber after losing a massive part of our team for nothing.

I don't see Marner signing for anything that we shouldn't have been willing to offer.

Marner isn't going to fail to secure a deal. He'll get signed.
Treliving had a responsibility to make sure he signed here. He failed.

Thank you for taking the time to answer all that (sincerely).
I will have to disagree with much of it.. I do not think Marner is worth what you think he is. He has had years to figure out how to play in the “big” games and he has not. We simply cannot run this mess back for another 4-8 years.
Yes we might take a step back this year but sometimes you have to do that to get better.
Marner or his agent have created most of the anger themselves with their negotiating style. He him self with his pressers and his, how dare you question my effort.
He might be a decent guy away from hockey but he is one of the most entitled and unlikable players the Leafs have had in 4 decades

 

[BlueForever75]

See ya Marner.... you have to earn respect to get it.

It is obvious that Marner does not have the balls to handle the pressures that come in playing in the Toronto market. He ends up in California some place so he can play his game an collect checks. His priority is not a cup. You will see.

 

[Metroid]

I'm not understanding all this bullshit that Marner and his camp are being disrespected....asking to waive is a normal goddamn thing in the NHL. "It dosnt hurt to ask" but all of a sudden it's a big deal? Toronto rage bait?

I've stood up for Marner in the past so this isn't coming from someone that wanted him gone years ago...

Fake or not reports like these are f***ing dumb and these journalist should all eat a bag.... Hope they all stub their big toes on a corner desk Everytime they walk.

 

[Tak7]

No issues with him leaving, whether it's for more money, better chance to win, less pressure, or some combo of the 3.

But as I said yesterday - I just don't understand him disrespecting the organization that has only ever done right by this guy.

How do some "fans" defend this open contempt and disdain against your hockey team?

 

[IPS]

I'm not understanding all this bullshit that Marner and his camp are being disrespected....asking to waive is a normal goddamn thing in the NHL. "It dosnt hurt to ask" but all of a sudden it's a big deal? Toronto rage bait?

I've stood up for Marner in the past so this isn't coming from someone that wanted him gone years ago...

Fake or not reports like these are f***ing dumb and these journalist should all eat a bag.... Hope they all stub their big toes on a corner desk Everytime they walk.

It's at the point where nothing will ever be good enough for Marner's camp in regards to the Leafs. It'll never be enough money, never be enough respect, never be enough anything. We literally had Kyle Dubas going out of his way to call criticism of Mitch "idiotic" after his dreadful Montreal series in 2021. Same GM who blatantly overpaid him.

This organization has defended him in the media, gave him generational wealth, helped his image to secure tons of sponsorship deals, etc..

I would wager Kyle Dubas showed more respect for Mitch than any GM has ever shown for any player. At the end of the day this kid has way too big of an ego for his own good.

 

[ITM]

So let’s infer reasonably here…

Publicly notes he’s treated like a god in Toronto…
We know the contract/money dynamics…
Will be touring cities to determine preference according to offer/fit…but as a lever with Toronto who has been informed they will have an opportunity at a later date…
Paul Marner is and has been a constant voice of discontent about in-house appointment and respect, singularly with Marner’s “friend?” AM34…

So how does a club exceed past this type of arrogance and simultaneous discontent when one of its leaders never takes personal responsibility for personal shortcomings but by every turn blames someone else at all times within the organization?

Surely there is no cause for concern about Marner and his father’s exit, and every reason for celebration that they’re (hopefully) gone?

 

[Tak7]

I'm not understanding all this bullshit that Marner and his camp are being disrespected....asking to waive is a normal goddamn thing in the NHL. "It dosnt hurt to ask" but all of a sudden it's a big deal? Toronto rage bait?

They only asked him to waive AFTER it became apparent he wasn't going to engage/extend, AND after a trade was brought to them. They weren't openly trading him. Even when they tried to move on from him, they still did right by him.

He then got all upset about it, to the point where the GM dragged himself out of his Denver hotel room to remind everyone how much they loved Mitch.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You’re still the same, Dekes, or should I call you Paul? When I mentioned Matthews’ contract, it was Dubas who gave it to him, and then he also overpaid Marner. Both he, and especially Shanahan, gave in to both of them. They gave both of them the money as well as the term they wanted. And now Matthews got his way again on his current contract. What, or should I say who, is the common denominator in this? That’s right, it’s Shanahan. I’m so glad they finally booted him out. As far as Tre goes, he definitely can’t do any worse than what Shanahan did. I have no proof that Shanahan was the reason Tre gave in to Matthews regarding his current contract, but do you have proof that he wasn’t?

You're still the same too Shanwhatplan - wrong, and quick to insults and name-calling. Matthews and Marner were not overpaid on their previous contracts, and more importantly to this discussion, Matthews' previous contract has no relevance to Marner's current ask. Treliving signed Matthews. Treliving signed Nylander. GMs sign players, not Presidents, so if you're going to make these abnormal claims, the burden of proof is on you. The common denominator here is you not understanding what players are worth. Treliving can absolutely do worse than Shanahan, and he's already well on his way to doing so.

 

[sunstersun]

Oh lordy, the frame of lack of respect.

Implies he's misunderstood genius playoff performer instead of a constant choker.

 

[ToneDog]

I know this is an age where accuracy means little in communication...But we didn't take the two-time Champs to Game 7. We took the defending Cup champs to Game 7...in a way that a fisherman takes a great white shark fishing.We were mauled in Games 5 and 7. We didn't so much take the Panthers anywhere except by surprise until they remembered who they are.

And if you take a look at their final stats, the cold, harsh truth is that their depth might be dynastic. Meaning, when you compare that club to ours and any other in the league, they're poised to repeat with impunity. Look at their top 5 in scoring: Each with either 23 or 22 points. That's freakish top-level contribution. Then the next 5 score between 20 and 13 points.

Bob went all-world again. Now he's signed for one more year at $10M. Next year comes off the books and I bet dollars to donuts, Bob would take a cut to fit in for a couple of more years while Zito fleeces a club for the Panthers next Vezina winner.

I have full faith that with $19M currently in cap space, if Zito wants to sign Bennett and Ekblad and Marchand, he's going to find a way to do it.

Barkov, Bennett, Reinhardt and Ekblad will be 29 years old at the start of next season. Lundell has two rings and three Cup Finals and is 23. Matthew Tkachuk is ENTERING his prime at 27.

Let's all take a deep breath and inhale reality that without a complete change in perspective and commitment, our health status is inconsequential.

He will sell them on winning another cup. Bennett and Ekblad will take less. Marchand may want the money given he was underpaid in Boston. If you are Marchand, what do you think seeing Marner shrink in so many big moments, knowing he has been paid 20+m more than you in the last 6 years and now is looking for $14m?

 

[Peasy]

Thank you for taking the time to answer all that (sincerely).
I will have to disagree with much of it.. I do not think Marner is worth what you think he is. He has had years to figure out how to play in the “big” games and he has not. We simply cannot run this mess back for another 4-8 years.
Yes we might take a step back this year but sometimes you have to do that to get better.
Marner or his agent have created most of the anger themselves with their negotiating style. He him self with his pressers and his, how dare you question my effort.
He might be a decent guy away from hockey but he is one of the most entitled and unlikable players the Leafs have had in 4 decades

Makes me laugh when people try and make a point about the Leafs potentially taking a step back during the regular season. You know what team also took a big step back and almost missed the playoffs after they made some massive culture changing moves? The Florida Panthers. They squeaked into the playoffs, made the cup finals, and have now won b2b cups.

 

[sunstersun]

The most memorable Marner play in the playoffs.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I still don't quite believe he's going to wait until July 15th to sign lol. That has to be code for "offer your highest possible contract upfront". Sure they can do tours but his top 4 teams aren't going to keep a spare 14M as most of them will miss on him

 

[Stephen]

Thank you for taking the time to answer all that (sincerely).
I will have to disagree with much of it.. I do not think Marner is worth what you think he is. He has had years to figure out how to play in the “big” games and he has not. We simply cannot run this mess back for another 4-8 years.
Yes we might take a step back this year but sometimes you have to do that to get better.
Marner or his agent have created most of the anger themselves with their negotiating style. He him self with his pressers and his, how dare you question my effort.
He might be a decent guy away from hockey but he is one of the most entitled and unlikable players the Leafs have had in 4 decades

I would take your point and compare and contrast Dan Ferris clients Sam Bennett and Mitch Marner for just a second and see how a player’s PR could be negatively impacted by some factors.

Imagine Sam Bennett but he doesn’t win cups and Conn Smythe trophies. Think his popularity goes down.

Imagine instead of standing with a cup at a parade and nodding along to the idea of re-signing he’s like “eh my focus isn’t on that.”

Imagine Sam Bennett constantly comparing himself to Barkov and Reinhart and Tkachuk internally driving up the salary structure and forcing the team to dump Lundell, Ekblad, etc. year after year.

Heck imagine a fanbase with an Elbows For Days who cheers for Sam Bennett overpay on the Florida days, citing individual factors over team play while the Leafs clobber you ever year.

Like where is the respect and admiration owed?

 

[ACC1224]

I'm not understanding all this bullshit that Marner and his camp are being disrespected....asking to waive is a normal goddamn thing in the NHL. "It dosnt hurt to ask" but all of a sudden it's a big deal? Toronto rage bait?

I've stood up for Marner in the past so this isn't coming from someone that wanted him gone years ago...

Fake or not reports like these are f***ing dumb and these journalist should all eat a bag.... Hope they all stub their big toes on a corner desk Everytime they walk.

It does seem like things are being overblown to garner attention. Can't blame them, people lap this shit up. It helps to validate their fantasies.

 

[Apex Predator]

Is Marner mad at the team or fans? Lack of respect from the team does not make any sense to me. The team has done everything for him.

 

[Peasy]

I would take your point and compare and contrast Dan Ferris clients Sam Bennett and Mitch Marner for just a second and see how a player’s PR could be negatively impacted by some factors.

Imagine Sam Bennett but he doesn’t win cups and Conn Smythe trophies. Think his popularity goes down.

Imagine instead of standing with a cup at a parade and nodding along to the idea of re-signing he’s like “eh my focus isn’t on that.”

Imagine Sam Bennett constantly comparing himself to Barkov and Reinhart and Tkachuk internally driving up the salary structure and forcing the team to dump Lundell, Ekblad, etc. year after year.

Heck imagine a fanbase with an Elbows For Days who cheers for Sam Bennett overpay on the Florida days, citing individual factors over team play while the Leafs clobber you ever year.

Like where is the respect and admiration owed?

Yeah I dont get how so many people can still defend this guy to death when all hes done is look like an entitled brat every step of the way. Maybe his kid will help him grow up.

 

[Tak7]

It does seem like things are being overblown to garner attention. Can't blame them, people lap this shit up. It helps to validate their fantasies.

Marner's camp isn't engaging with the Leafs, which indicates there's some animosity there.

Where, exactly, is the validation of fantasy here?

 

[Apex Predator]

I would like to point out that Marner wanted the money but when he failed he doesn’t want the blame. That’s like a company hiring a VP and then the VP turns around and blames the customer service team.

The more you get paid the more the blame falls on you. If he thinks Nylander, Tavares or Matthews didn’t feel any heat during the time he’s living in a bubble.

 

[ACC1224]

Is Marner mad at the team or fans? Lack of respect from the team does not make any sense to me. The team has done everything for him.

I don't think it's the team but it's hard to know when he's never said anything about it.

 

[ACC1224]

Like to point out that Marner wanted the money but when he failed he doesn’t want the blame. That’s like a company hiring a VP and then the VP turns around and blames the customer service team.

The more you get paid the more the blame falls on you. If he thinks Nylander, Tavares or Matthews didn’t feel any heat during the time he’s living in a bubble.

If we're being honest he was the 4th highest paid, leading scorer by 20 while playing all situations and taking the lions share of them blame.

 

[Stephen]

Did anyone also happen to hear the Dreger interview on TSN yesterday where he talked about the standing points competition Matthews, Marner and Nylander had last year?

 

[Stephen]

If we're being honest he was the 4th highest paid, leading scorer by 20 while playing all situations and taking the lions share of them blame.

What if… Marner was a mature superstar player and just said “yeah I will take the lions share of the blame because screw it I’m this team’s Yzerman. Not AM34, not Willie, this is my team and I’m going to put the Leafs on my back?”

That possible?

 

[Antropovsky]

Did anyone also happen to hear the Dreger interview on TSN yesterday where he talked about the standing points competition Matthews, Marner and Nylander had last year?

do tell.

 

[Apex Predator]

If we're being honest he was the 4th highest paid, leading scorer by 20 while playing all situations and taking the lions share of them blame.

Our penalty kill was middle of the pack. I understand he was playing all situations but wasn’t effectively. Should we have gotten him more support yes but with the current cap situation that’s all would could do.

I’m not here to put alll the blame on Marner. He’s a good player whose time with the leafs should come to end for both parties. I will disagree about the Toronto market being hard. I think it’s not a market for everyone and Marner should go to a smaller market.