Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Aashir]

Next year, Marner will make more than anyone named today for Team Canadas roster. He wasnt named to the roster among the first 6.

8.6 million dollar Reinhart was though.

Gut punch to Marner.

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he is going to make the team so does it really matter when he gets posted about it?

we can go on and on about other stuff but marner is about as much of a lock as point and reinhart are

 

[mikeyz]

 

[leafs in five]

Always good to hear from bunch of flags baghead every other flag

 

[Leaf Fans]

Next year, Marner will make more than anyone named today for Team Canadas roster. He wasnt named to the roster among the first 6.

8.6 million dollar Reinhart was though.

Gut punch to Marner.

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Yup a lot of gut punches to players including Marner.

 

[Antropovsky]

he is going to make the team so does it really matter when he gets posted about it?

we can go on and on about other stuff but marner is about as much of a lock as point and reinhart are

He is anything but a lock.

He was dropped from the 1st line to 3rd by the third game at 4nations and played the least mins among anyone.

4Nations was a gimmic game. Team Canada Olympics is the real deal.

Sure he had a couple isolated plays, but he didnt gel with anyone otherwise.

He wont be back in the top 6 next year. So the question is, does he fit into the bottom 6?

Personally, I think he rubbed the stars the wrong way by wanting to be the last off the ice (challenging Marchand) and last on the ice (challenging Crosby). Obviously Marner has an inflated ego and thought he was more important than he is to the team...considering he wasnt on the #1 PP, didnt have a letter and easnt part of the Teams leadership meetings or selected in the first group lol.

He also wasnt battling in the physical areas and was on the perimeter. Tocchet confirmes the staff thought this as well, because he said they made the line changes because they wanted more net presence. And Mcdavid said Marner "plays high in the zone" and was caught in a heated discussion with Marner on the bench during game 1.


Where there's smoke there is fire.

 

[Superstar]

Kadri got $7 million × 7 years when he was 31. That is 8.48% of the cap.

When Marner is 31, the cap will be around $123 million. Marner would need 10.5% to hit $13 million. Stars are getting 13–15% currently. But also, he would be 38 at the end of that contract too.

If he signs for 8 years today, he would be 36 at the end of that deal.

At 36, he may not even get a new contract. If he does, there’s a very good chance it’s league minimum.

So... it makes sense financially that he would want to do the 3-year and then the 8-year.

But... it's not beneficial to the team, because they will never get any major cap relief on Marner’s contract relative to other teams’ stars—until Marner is in his late 30s and at that point a cap burden, lol, and only Marner benefits.

Also, the risk for the player is they become seriously injured and lose years of pay because they took the short-term deal.

...which brings into question whether they would play hard in the playoffs or play "safe" to not risk serious injury.

I think most would play conservatively, knowing they could cost themselves $60+ million in earnings.

The thing is, if he signs $14 million x 7, the team is already overpaying him the last 3 to 4 years of the contract because he's not going to live up to it. Teams are essentially buying the first several years of UFA where they see the player as being the most productive, and are writing off the latter years of the contract, hoping the player would still be somewhat productive, knowing full well the player will likely not live up to the contract then.

 

[Caesium]

He is anything but a lock.

He was dropped from the 1st line to 3rd by the third game at 4nations and played the least mins among anyone.

4Nations was a gimmic game. Team Canada Olympics is the real deal.

Sure he had a couple isolated plays, but he didnt gel with anyone otherwise.

He wont be back in the top 6 next year. So the question is, does he fit into the bottom 6?

Personally, I think he rubbed the stars the wrong way by wanting to be the last off the ice (challenging Marchand) and last on the ice (challenging Crosby).

He also wasnt battling in thr physical areas and eas on the perimeter. Tocchet said they made the line changes because they wanted more net presence. And Mcdavid said Marner "plays high in the zone" and eas caught in a heated discussion with Marner on the bench during game 1.

Marner clearly doesnt understand his placement on the team.

Where there's smoke there is fire.

Maybe you'll take my bet then?

 

[Tony Romo]

I think we have to take a deep breath and realize this isn’t a referendum on Toronto or Leafs Nation, but rather a nasty and acrimonious divorce where there’s a lot of parting shots.

We also have to point out for how apparently poisonous it is here, the guy who was going to be the best FA this offseason wanted to come here and sign here for max term

 

[Superstar]

They could show his playoff goals but it would only last about half a minute..?

They could include some of his spin-o-rama passes to prolong the clip...

 

[ACC1224]

We also have to point out for how apparently poisonous it is here, the guy who was going to be the best FA this offseason wanted to come here and sign here for max term

Who are you referring to?

 

[Superstar]

That would just prove that 14 number is a fair tale and that management was not serious when they said they wanted to change the DNA of this team and that they are content to run it back yet again

It could very well be Shanahan who wanted Marner back, but he's gone now.

 

[Aashir]

He is anything but a lock.

He was dropped from the 1st line to 3rd by the third game at 4nations and played the least mins among anyone.

4Nations was a gimmic game. Team Canada Olympics is the real deal.

Sure he had a couple isolated plays, but he didnt gel with anyone otherwise.

He wont be back in the top 6 next year. So the question is, does he fit into the bottom 6?

Personally, I think he rubbed the stars the wrong way by wanting to be the last off the ice (challenging Marchand) and last on the ice (challenging Crosby). Obviously Marner has an inflated ego and thought he was more important than he is to the team...considering he wasnt on the #1 PP, didnt have a letter and easnt part of the Teams leadership meetings or selected in the first group lol.

He also wasnt battling in the physical areas and was on the perimeter. Tocchet confirmes the staff thought this as well, because he said they made the line changes because they wanted more net presence. And Mcdavid said Marner "plays high in the zone" and was caught in a heated discussion with Marner on the bench during game 1.


Where there's smoke there is fire.

he could've been press boxed and he will still make the team

he's too big of a name for hockey canada to take off, they don't have the balls to do that. The whole story about crosby and marchand is irrelevant, those guys are way too professional to let something that small cause anything. Moreover coaches call players out all the time, marner responded well for the finals so again I think he makes it.

Reinhart also sucked at 4N, but that doesn't matter hes still there and so will marner

for what it's worth marchand wasn't named as one of the 6 either, but we both know he's making it too. I just don't see a world where marner won't be on team Canada. They don't have enough high end wingers to not have him there.

 

[Gabriel426]

This is too dumb to respond to. Carry on without me.

If the Leafs is in the Cup Finals and leading the series 3-2, is it a poisonous environment?

Bc they still play in Toronto and pretty much the same fans

 

[leafs in five]

He is anything but a lock.

He was dropped from the 1st line to 3rd by the third game at 4nations and played the least mins among anyone.

4Nations was a gimmic game. Team Canada Olympics is the real deal.

Sure he had a couple isolated plays, but he didnt gel with anyone otherwise.

He wont be back in the top 6 next year. So the question is, does he fit into the bottom 6?

Personally, I think he rubbed the stars the wrong way by wanting to be the last off the ice (challenging Marchand) and last on the ice (challenging Crosby). Obviously Marner has an inflated ego and thought he was more important than he is to the team...considering he wasnt on the #1 PP, didnt have a letter and easnt part of the Teams leadership meetings or selected in the first group lol.

He also wasnt battling in the physical areas and was on the perimeter. Tocchet confirmes the staff thought this as well, because he said they made the line changes because they wanted more net presence. And Mcdavid said Marner "plays high in the zone" and was caught in a heated discussion with Marner on the bench during game 1.


Where there's smoke there is fire.

Do you ever tire of writing the exact same shit over and over

 

[Superstar]

Marner should have been traded (fired) after the Montreal series. But the president stuck his neck out for him and gave him 4 more cracks at redemption. You never hear the Marner camp say a peep about how the organization had his back and paved the road for him to have his redemption arc every year. You never really hear them talk about the deep appreciation for the organization having the loyalty and faith in him. You never think about how guys actually lost their jobs putting their career in Marner’s hands.

If the media was so mean, why didn't they hound Marner about crying in the penalty box like a baby?

 

[leafs in five]

If the Leafs is in the Cup Finals and leading the series 3-2, is it a poisonous environment?

Bc they still play in Toronto and pretty much the same fans

I do think that Marner might have convinced himself that they could win 2+ rounds and that that would square things with the fan base or what he imagines when he thinks of the fan base, and that he could make a decision to stay or go after that. And obviously he totally lost it when it became clear that he and the team were heading against all odds to new heights of humiliation in game 7. I don't think there was ever any coming back from the boos during his last shifts. Anyway

 

[Budz22]

ACC1224 after every post in this thread

 

[Gabriel426]

We've seen marquee players refuse to sign or extend here.
We're watching a marquee local player leaving for nothing, without even engaging in dialogue with the team.
We saw the current cup champions and 3-time finalists throw a pity party for how difficult Toronto is to play in.

Whatever your thoughts are on the idea that Toronto is/isn't a hard place to play, is irrelevant - it's already out there that this place is hard to play in, and continues to spread. And it's begun to seep it's way into player decisions.

This goes beyond the Marner situation too - ROR didn't resign here. David Perron, when offered the exact same deal, chose the quieter Ottawa market. Matt Roy opted for Washington instead of Toronto.

Stop pretending like it isn't a glaring problem staring the Leafs right in the face.

Who is the Marquee player that left Toronto?
last I checked, MM didn’t waive his NTC or NMC to leave just a few months ago.

Panthers and TB and every teams troll us all the time, are we really taking their words for that?
I guess we didn’t earn their respect on the handshake line.

Perron, ROR, Roy and now MM doesn’t want to sign with the Leafs, but Tanev, Domi, Bert, OEL, and McCabe also resigned.
There are many reasons why players choose to sign with one team over another. Fans pressure might be one of them. Personally I know a few players(not hockey) who like to sign on teams that they know won’t make the playoffs bc they have more vacation time.

All players playing in big market will face the same scrutiny. Esp when the team seems to be heading upward and the media pump them up like they are the next champion without even making the playoffs. I am talking about the Canucks and not the Leafs as I live in Vancouver.

To say that Leafs can’t attract players bc of fans is just non sense. Most players want to play on a team that can win and make money at the same time. If players choose another team over the Leafs, it is not automatically means bc the fans give too much pressure….

 

[58 Years No Cup]

Try and imagine, if you're able, a whole world that exists that isn't this forum.

Try and imagine a world where you understand obvious sarcasm.

 

[Superstar]

It's going to be harder to win when the 'poison' makes it difficult to attract players.

Leaf fans want to see the team have success. The poisonous environment that's being created is a detriment to that.

You are really running with Paul Maurice's narrative now? How naive. He obviously wants the Leafs to sign great players like Bennett and Marchand...

 

[leafs in five]

Marner should have been traded (fired) after the Montreal series. But the president stuck his neck out for him and gave him 4 more cracks at redemption. You never hear the Marner camp say a peep about how the organization had his back and paved the road for him to have his redemption arc every year. You never really hear them talk about the deep appreciation for the organization having the loyalty and faith in him. You never think about how guys actually lost their jobs putting their career in Marner’s hands.

I think Shanahan is the only guy who can be said to have lost his job for putting his career in Marner's hands and he only lost it a couple weeks ago and he held the job for 10 years and I don't think he had to compete with anyone for it

 

[Menzinger]

We've seen marquee players refuse to sign or extend here.
We're watching a marquee local player leaving for nothing, without even engaging in dialogue with the team.
We saw the current cup champions and 3-time finalists throw a pity party for how difficult Toronto is to play in.

Whatever your thoughts are on the idea that Toronto is/isn't a hard place to play, is irrelevant - it's already out there that this place is hard to play in, and continues to spread. And it's begun to seep it's way into player decisions.

This goes beyond the Marner situation too - ROR didn't resign here. David Perron, when offered the exact same deal, chose the quieter Ottawa market. Matt Roy opted for Washington instead of Toronto.

Stop pretending like it isn't a glaring problem staring the Leafs right in the face.

The thing is - I don't disagree with the suggestion that plenty of players have zero desire to play in Toronto (and that even includes a fair amount of former GTA kids). The NHL has a culture that shuns attention and stardom..most guys w just want to collect a huge paycheck and protect their anomininitiy. And.as a result hockey players are often mentally weaker than a lot of their pro-sport peers in other leagues when it comes to dealing with public pressure

BUT, I don't really see much evidence this is actually intensifying though. It's always been like this, and likely always will be. Plenty of big names UFAs snubbed the Leafs during the Burke era, hell even the Quinn years when the team was actually allowed to competitively spend. This Marner business isn't going deter anyone whose not already disinterested in the market. If you want to sign for the Leafs,.you know what comes with it at this point

 

[Gabriel426]

I do think that Marner might have convinced himself that they could win 2+ rounds and that that would square things with the fan base or what he imagines when he thinks of the fan base, and that he could make a decision to stay or go after that. And obviously he totally lost it when it became clear that he and the team were heading against all odds to new heights of humiliation in game 7. I don't think there was ever any coming back from the boos during his last shifts. Anyway

I think winning is everything.

Like I said if Leafs is in the Finals and leading 3-2 in the series and have Game 6 at home.

Is anyone here or in the media going to say, Leafs better win or the poisonous environment of the fans will eat these players alive or just be the city is buzzing and behind the boys all the way….

It was a poorly constructed team in terms of having mentors for AM, MM, and Willie when they were young. Dubas and Shanny were too excited for their revolutionary ideas and ways that they forgot 99% of new ideas will fail.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He is anything but a lock.

He was dropped from the 1st line to 3rd by the third game at 4nations and played the least mins among anyone.

4Nations was a gimmic game. Team Canada Olympics is the real deal.

Sure he had a couple isolated plays, but he didnt gel with anyone otherwise.

He wont be back in the top 6 next year. So the question is, does he fit into the bottom 6?

Personally, I think he rubbed the stars the wrong way by wanting to be the last off the ice (challenging Marchand) and last on the ice (challenging Crosby). Obviously Marner has an inflated ego and thought he was more important than he is to the team...considering he wasnt on the #1 PP, didnt have a letter and easnt part of the Teams leadership meetings or selected in the first group lol.

He also wasnt battling in the physical areas and was on the perimeter. Tocchet confirmes the staff thought this as well, because he said they made the line changes because they wanted more net presence. And Mcdavid said Marner "plays high in the zone" and was caught in a heated discussion with Marner on the bench during game 1.


Where there's smoke there is fire.

More importantly, he earned his way back to the top line and set up the gold medal winner. The first six are the same as the first six at the four nations with the exception is that the leading goal scorer in the finals, Marchand was as you say "gut punched" from the six in favour of Reinhart.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

Toronto is literally the 2nd best place in North America to live in. Arguably best place if you aren't crazy.

No talk about how awesome Toronto is as a city eh????

God damn, Toronto is awesome and all I hear is yapping about the fans.

Florida Panthers are TROLLING us, if we won the Stanley Cup, do you know how little pressure there would be lmao. It's not like we're demanding a cup either. No 6-1 playoff collapses or 1st round exits to Montreal. Or losing to a crippled Boston team.

I'm a Leafs fan but no one sane considers Toronto a great place to live. No none.