Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[ToneDog]

I watch this sport for entertainment, and this off season will be VERY entertaining. Even though Mitch couldn't get it done in the playoffs for us, I do wish him all the best on his new team. It was a treat watching him in the regular season during his tenure, and I even enjoyed his first few playoffs (Washington particularily). I have no animosity for someone I don't personally know, and at the end of the day he has to do what he and his family is comfortable with.

No point as a fan in getting emotionally involved in a specific player, just love the crest.

For those getting frothy in here, remember that life is short, and you will never be on your deathbed saying "I wish I had shitted on Marner more on HF".

No but many will say, "Damn, never got to cross "Leafs winning the SC" off my bucket list". Sad that 3 such talented players do not have the DNA that it takes to win the SC. Extracting every last penny in contract negotiations will be their legacy next to their pathetic playoff record and performances. Meanwhile a player who one poster called bad at hockey is one game away from winning his 2nd SC while earning 1/3 of what our 3 losers have been paid for their playoff no shows and collapses.

 

[Dekes For Days]

That's literally all he says whenever asked about extending.

Yep, he always talked about his desire to stay, until Treliving screwed it up. Now you're making up baseless accusations that he was lying all along.

Guy has an agent that loves to take his players to free agency to play these kinds of games and refuses to negotiate during the season kind of implies they didn't get the overpayment they liked last off season so they won't negotiate to try and scare the team into giving them what they want.

Not signing during the season doesn't imply anything you've claimed. Marner has avoided in-season signing distractions his whole career. There's also no evidence that he would only sign an overpayment. Though ironically, "didn't get the overpayment they liked last off season so they won't negotiate to try and scare the team into giving them what they want" is exactly what Nylander was reported to have done.

He does. Which is why he can easily tell his agent to stop with the games and negotiate a contract while he focuses on the season.

It's also why it is a distraction for the player, and players are allowed to not want to deal with that while they are focused on the current season.

Players that actually want to stay as bad as you claim he wants to would have their agent negotiate during the season and not turn down an offer just because it was during the season.

Not signing during the season doesn't say anything about his desire to stay. There is plenty of other time to get a deal done, and GMs that are actually competent at their job would have respected and worked around that.

Player got what he wanted once. Team didn't get nothing.

Team got one of the best players in the world on a surplus value contract, helping the Leafs be one of the best teams in the league throughout that contract.

Now we get to witness the same stuff where he tried to hold the team hostage to get whatever he wants again and clearly was told to go f*** himself this time.

He never held the team hostage, and he was never "told to go f*** himself". You have quite the imagination.

Guess it helps not having a pushover like the last guy eh who will just give them a blank cheque.

Marner has never been given a blank cheque. Would have helped to have the last guy around to get a fair deal done again, instead of Treliving sabotaging the team.

Stop blaming management for the people Marner surrounds himself with that give him bad career advice. Time for Marner to become a big boy and take control of his life for once.

Stop blaming Marner for management's incompetence. Time for Treliving to become a big boy and take responsibility for his failures.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Part of that less talent was losing his best player to Toronto.

Dubie has had some comically bad luck with parallels - first with Lou, now with the Caps. Can't catch a break.

Lou didn't 'lose' Tavares. JT was coming to Toronto regardless of what Lou or anyone else offered him.

 

[Mess]

How about this. He’s just a mercenary who failed to deliver last time. For a mix of reasons belonging to the team and the player there will be no next time.

He was just a mercenary with pop toy gun when it came to goal scoring.

During his 6X $10.9 mil deal mighty Mitch managed a mere 8 total playoff goals.

Brad Marchand a hired hand at the trade deadline by Florida for a mere 2027 2nd round pick has scored 6 goals alone in just the 5 games of the 2025 Stanley Cup playoff final series.

Maybe all the Leafs need to do to replace Marner with Marchand at 1/2 the cost or less, and easily replace the mercenary goals for anyone asking how are we possibly going to replace the missing offense walking out the door.

Marner @ $14 mil vs Marchand @ $7 mil not really a tough choice, now bring along his pal Sam Bennett for $8 mil and its almost a 2-1 cap cost deal,

 

[Mess]

I think that the Leafs will miss Marner.

No problem.

Leafs Nation Fans are accustomed to it already, because we have been missing Marner from the Boxscore in playoff games particularly the later ones #5-7 for the past 9 years.

I dare you to try and find his name in the Boxscore of meaningful playoff series deciding games.

 

[Apex Predator]

He was just a mercenary with pop toy gun when it came to goal scoring.

During his 6X $10.9 mil deal mighty Mitch managed a mere 8 total playoff goals.

Brad Marchand a hired hand at the trade deadline by Florida for a mere 2027 2nd round pick has scored 6 goals alone in just the 5 games of the 2025 Stanley Cup playoff final series.

Maybe all the Leafs need to do to replace Marner with Marchand at 1/2 the cost or less, and easily replace the mercenary goals for anyone asking how are we possibly going to replace the missing offense walking out the door.

Marner @ $14 mil vs Marchand @ $7 mil not really a tough choice, now bring along his pal Sam Bennett for $8 mil and its almost a 2-1 cap cost deal,

I don’t think the leafs get Marchand at 7 Million or Bennett at 8.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Maybe you should apply there, Dekes, and Marner could be the highest paid player not only on the Leafs, but in the NHL. There’s nothing like being able to play shinny hockey, make all those fancy no-look passes, and get lots of points, and then become invisible when the going gets tough. Tell me, how many shots on goal did Marner get in the last 3 games? Lol

Marner does not "become invisible when the going gets tough", and nobody is suggesting that Marner should be given the highest cap hit percentage in the NHL, or even on the Leafs. I don't really care how many shots Marner got in the last 3 games, but that question tells me two things - that you fundamentally misunderstand how Marner brings impact, and that you'll cherry pick tiny samples of a pretty meaningless stat to misrepresent player quality.

Marner wants to be paid like his generational coworker who plays the harder position and has a full trophy case.

You have no idea what Marner wants. But he's earned an amount a lot closer to Matthews than you'll ever admit, and his contract would be over 15m today.

He was already overpaid the last 6 years and that wasnt enough for him.

He hasn't been overpaid the last 6 years.

14 mil? Lol, are you leafs fan or dubas and marner fan?

Leafs fan, obviously, which is why I like people and actions that make the Leafs better. The real question is why you like people and actions that make the Leafs worse.

 

[Mess]

I don’t think the leafs get Marchand at 7 Million or Bennett at 8.

You might be right and it might cost a little more, only because both are playoff warriors and earning every penny they will get on their next deals on merit and contribution.

Marchand (#7th OA) 22 games 10-10-20 points & Bennett (4th OA) 22 games 15-7-22 points

I'm just so grateful Leafs are not getting Marner at $14 mil or more.

 

[IPS]

Leafs fan, obviously, which is why I like people and actions that make the Leafs better. The real question is why you like people and actions that make the Leafs worse.

I don't know dude you've been spending the last 2 years since Treliving got hired telling people about how much worse he's making the Leafs and they went further in the playoffs than any other year Dubas had.

I know you're incapable of seeing how wrong you are about 90% of things but it doesn't mean you have to keep flooding the boards with your Dubas/core-4 glazing all the time.

 

[notbias]

No problem.

Leafs Nation Fans are accustomed to it already, because we have been missing Marner from the Boxscore in playoff games particularly the later ones #5-7 for the past 9 years.

I dare you to try and find his name in the Boxscore of meaningful playoff series deciding games.

When they advanced in the first round and when they pushed the series to game 7 in the second round...

He made meaningful contributions in both games.

He also is the leading playoff scorer over his time in Toronto...

Is it a requirement to lie in your posts?

 

[Tak7]

I think that the Leafs will miss Marner.

They absolutely will.

And as time passes, we will all look back on this saga with sadness and regret.

But ultimately, the right decision from both parties is to move on.

It boggles my mind that the Leafs are still trying to engage the Marner camp though - clearly they want to keep him, and it's Marner who doesn't want to be here.

 

[Antropovsky]

Add Ken Daneyko to the long list of former NHL players who have not been impressed with Marners playoffs.

"I wouldnt pay Marner 14 million in a million years"

Here is his full opinion:



Funny enough 14x7 from Carolina will not interest Marner. He would make only around 3 million more on this contract vs the Leafs 8 year contract. Which doesnt factor in Toronto endorsements and his charity tax write offs.

Will Carolina pay 14x3? That is what Marner wants.

 

[BlueForever75]

As far as I am concerned, if rumors are true that Marner and his reps have not returned any phone calls to the Leafs since the end of the season. And that he wants to be treated like the big fish by every team in the NHL even the Leafs??? He wants the Leafs to give him a presentation??? One statement for him....... kick rocks!!!!

The guy and his father as I mentioned for the longest time, want him to be a story!!! Want him to have all the attention!!! Wants to be treated like hes a superstar!!!!

Well I am sorry, he is one of many NHLers that can be written down every season to be close to or above 100pts. But he isnt and will never be the "star" that he and his family want him to be recognized as. Superstars represent their team, their brand. their city. Marner only wants to represent himself and thrives on attention.

Proof is in the pudding, he loved playing at home and doing what ever he wanted as long as he had the fans on his side. Now that the fanbase have figured him out.....well now he wants nothing to do with the Leafs. This will be the best thing to happen to the Leafs and the worst thing to happen for Marner's career.

Cant wait until he signs some place else and the guy will never be able to take the ice in Toronto or walk the streets in his home town without being called a loser and egotistical, self infatuated loser!!!!! He would instantly become the most hated sports figure in Toronto sports history. And I am going to love it.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't know dude you've been spending the last 2 years since Treliving got hired telling people about how much worse he's making the Leafs and they went further in the playoffs than any other year Dubas had.

I know you're incapable of seeing how wrong you are about 90% of things but it doesn't mean you have to keep flooding the boards with your Dubas/core-4 glazing all the time.

It's not really "Dubas/core-4". It's almost exclusively Dubas, Marner, and Matthews.

Personally I enjoy most of his posts. They can be hysterically funny.

 

[hoglund]

They absolutely will.

And as time passes, we will all look back on this saga with sadness and regret.

But ultimately, the right decision from both parties is to move on.

It boggles my mind that the Leafs are still trying to engage the Marner camp though - clearly they want to keep him, and it's Marner who doesn't want to be here.

I know that it won't happen, but they should sign him for a one year contract without no movement clause and then trade him for some good prospects, this way they get something for him and maybe he'll show up for the playoffs next year.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Add Ken Daneyko to the long list of former NHL players who have not been impressed with Marners playoffs.

"I wouldnt pay Marner 14 million in a million years"

Here is his full opinion:



Funny enough 14x7 from Carolina will not interest Marner. He would make only around 3 million more on this contract vs the Leafs 8 year contract. Which doesnt factor in Toronto endorsements and his charity tax write offs.

Will Carolina pay 14x3? That is what Marner wants.

I think the quoted bit is wrong. "14 million in a million years" works out to only $14 a year, which would be a bargain.

(Naw - under the CBA minimum so it wouldn't work.)

 

[Antropovsky]

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

Marner’s popularity in this city and fanbase is what it is because he’s negotiated like he was threatening a mercenary move, brings up a lot of coaching and management resentment and drama, got the bag and he’s terrible in the playoffs.

So our championship goals are limited by what Marner can do on the ice, our roster is limited because of what Marner and friends are paid. And breakup happens we have to hear about how it’s the GM, fanbase and city’s fault for mistreating poor Mitch?

How about this. He’s just a mercenary who failed to deliver last time. For a mix of reasons belonging to the team and the player there will be no next time.

Marner sat down for an interview with Siegel just before the playoffs began. According to Siegel, Marner voiced frustration over media treatment and left the impression that he might be on his way out.

Really great timing from Marner grant a 1 on 1 with Siegel and drop this right before his team’s playoff run. Definitely not a distraction or anything. And as usual of course complaining about the media (he can never resist).

Hmm… who’s been curating this narrative that Toronto is too much pressure?

Now players like Patches, Domi, Roberts, Vaive have hit back anf said pressure is priviledge.







Dont forget the Paul Marner interview (damn near a book) in 2018 where Paul complained abouy Marner not being talked about among the media for the Captaincy and also yalked about how Marner was in Mcdavids shadow (lol), and other doozies to look back on...like Paul thinking Marner would mature more physically. But Marner has only put on 5lbs since the interview in 2018...and also obviously stopped offsesson training (as Treliving and mamagement kept repeating Marner would put in the work last offseason)

How Mitch Marner proved everyone wrong and became one of the NHL's top young stars

Mitch Marner put in the offseason work and it's paying off on the ice. Now he's joining the NHL's elite.

www.nytimes.com

I’ll just be honest with you,” Mitch’s dad said. “It drives our family nuts when we hear you guys all talk about who should be the captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs and Mitch never hardly gets any consideration. It’s because he’s like this happy-go-lucky little kid. But he championed the London Knights to the Memorial Cup with that same happy (personality). I watched a guy like Doug Gilmour who had a lot of joy on and off the ice but was a real competitor.
And that’s Mitch.



“Mitch has (always) had the killer instinct when the puck drops, but I’ve also told (him) and his mom’s told him, ‘One of the things that make you who you are is the love you show of the game and never stop having fun playing the game. Because when you do, that’s going to take away something that’s made you who you are.'”
Paul still remembers one night during the OHL playoffs — March 31, 2015 — when Mitch hit the scoreboard six times in a big win over Kitchener. McDavid had only a single assist against Sarnia. But guess who Sportsnet was talking about afterward?

“And in any other draft, if Connor’s not there, you would’ve been talking about Mitch as first overall pick,” Paul Marner says.
What’s interesting, Paul says, is that now, in the NHL of all places, Mitch is at the least physical disadvantage of his entire life. He weighed 175 pounds at training camp earlier this fall and was measured at an eighth of an inch under 6 feet by the Leafs. He’s still maturing physically though, Paul says, and that’s why father Marner believes his son won’t reach his real peak in the league for another 2-3 years.

“And then you’re going to see what the finished product is,” Paul Marner says.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I don't know dude you've been spending the last 2 years since Treliving got hired telling people about how much worse he's making the Leafs and they went further in the playoffs than any other year Dubas had.

Not that "getting further" means a whole lot unless you win the cup anyway, but we didn't even do that. We lost in the second round under both. And we have objectively taken steps backward in team quality over the past two years under Treliving, because of his poor decisions. I've credited Treliving when he does good things, and I criticize him when he screws up, just like I do for every GM. Losing one of the best players in the league and franchise history in their prime for nothing is a colossal screw up, and your inability to acknowledge that exposes your bias.

 

[notbias]

Add Ken Daneyko to the long list of former NHL players who have not been impressed with Marners playoffs.

"I wouldnt pay Marner 14 million in a million years"

Here is his full opinion:



Funny enough 14x7 from Carolina will not interest Marner. He would make only around 3 million more on this contract vs the Leafs 8 year contract. Which doesnt factor in Toronto endorsements and his charity tax write offs.

Will Carolina pay 14x3? That is what Marner wants.

Another former NHLer with CTE whose opinion is irrelevant... woohoo.

 

[Antropovsky]

I think the quoted bit is wrong. "14 million in a million years" works out to only $14 a year, which would be a bargain.

(Naw - under the CBA minimum so it wouldn't work.)

I agree... 14 for a million years makes more sense than 14 million per year.

 

[hotpaws]

Mitch rumored to being offered 14 plus million , hopefully he gives us a discount and signs for 13 so we can praise him for the next 8 yrs !

 

[BlueForever75]

Don't want him anymore...as should everyone else want the same. He is a "ME" player

 

[colchar]

And we have objectively taken steps backward in team quality over the past two years under Treliving, because of his poor decisions.

Losing one of the best players in the league and franchise history in their prime for nothing is a colossal screw up, and your inability to acknowledge that exposes your bias.

Your inability to acknowledge that that is not Tre's fault exposes your bias.

 

[Caesium]

He was just a mercenary with pop toy gun when it came to goal scoring.

During his 6X $10.9 mil deal mighty Mitch managed a mere 8 total playoff goals.

Brad Marchand a hired hand at the trade deadline by Florida for a mere 2027 2nd round pick has scored 6 goals alone in just the 5 games of the 2025 Stanley Cup playoff final series.

Maybe all the Leafs need to do to replace Marner with Marchand at 1/2 the cost or less, and easily replace the mercenary goals for anyone asking how are we possibly going to replace the missing offense walking out the door.

Marner @ $14 mil vs Marchand @ $7 mil not really a tough choice, now bring along his pal Sam Bennett for $8 mil and its almost a 2-1 cap cost deal,

So by your logic, Bennet is worth more than McDavid, right?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Do you think Marner would sign a "fair contract" - say about $9-10M?

That's not a fair contract.

If Marner was competent, he wouldn't have had issue respecting management's choice.

Marner is competent. A player does not need to accommodate unnecessary distractions into their job to be competent.
It's not management's choice to make, and there was plenty of other time to get a deal done.