Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Dekes For Days]

marner was only interested in the most money.

Nope.

He had plenty of opportunity to re-sign, but it never was enough.

Team had plenty of opportunity to re-sign him, but they screwed it up.

Everyone should be happy.

Nobody should be happy. A worse Leaf team certainly doesn't make me happy.

It isn't like he was the difference between a Cup and no Cup.

Losing him hurts any future cup potential.

 

[Mess]

How unlucky of this team to draft all this amazing talent and they end up being what we have now... little entitled bitches

Things would have been different if the Leafs never replaced Lou Lam with Clueless Dubas.

Lou ran a tight ship, be it facial hair or music in the dressing room of earning your $$ even if it was just rookie bonuses in your ELC. Lou Lam is a giant in the NHL GM world and no player agent would have played him like Kyle got played.

If you hand out big fat contracts $$$ to players that never earned it, it creates complacency and self entitlement to the point Marner claimed after the previous playoffs the players are viewed "as Gods in Toronto". The phrase "as Gods in Toronto" refers to a comment made by Mitch Marner, a player for the Toronto Maple Leafs, where he described how players are perceived in the city, suggesting they are treated with immense reverence and idolized like deities.

In Toronto this is not the first lost decade and won't be the last .. It's often been referred to in the past as "Blue and White disease". "Blue and White disease" is a term used to describe a phenomenon within the Toronto Maple Leafs organization, particularly during the tenure of Brian Burke as general manager. It refers to a situation where players prioritize the attention and status associated with playing for the Maple Leafs, rather than focusing solely on winning. This can manifest as a sense of entitlement, inflated egos, or a disconnect between the public perception and the team's actual performance.

Marner himself believes he is entitled now to become the highest paid player in the game. If that doesn't show the pure arrogance, and inflated ego and sense of entitlement, without the stats and production and playoff results to deserve it.

 

[Stephen]

Imagine Alex Barkov has a bad game 6 because an HF Board poster wrote something on a thread. If only the Leafs could play in an empty building then there wouldn't be any noise....oh wait...we did that during covid. Can anyone remind me if Marner was good in that series?

Marner managed to flip a puck into the empty stands in Montreal in what amounted to a closed practice. And still managed to have a massive emotional meltdown in the penalty box. With no fans.

 

[Stephen]

Have you not been alive for the last 2 years?

There wasn’t a media campaign to have Marner waive his no trade for the betterment of the team. It just came out that he declined afterwards and everyone just said “that’s his right.”

Marner gets crap because of poor playoff play and his pain in the ass negotiating tendencies. It’s well earned.

 

[notbias]

Things would have been different if the Leafs never replaced Lou Lam with Clueless Dubas.

Lou ran a tight ship, be it facial hair or music in the dressing room of earning your $$ even if it was just rookie bonuses in your ELC. Lou Lam is a giant in the NHL GM world and no player agent would have played him like Kyle got played.

If you hand out big fat contracts $$$ to players that never earned it, it creates complacency and self entitlement to the point Marner claimed after the previous playoffs the players are viewed "as Gods in Toronto". The phrase "as Gods in Toronto" refers to a comment made by Mitch Marner, a player for the Toronto Maple Leafs, where he described how players are perceived in the city, suggesting they are treated with immense reverence and idolized like deities.

In Toronto this is not the first lost decade and won't be the last .. It's often been referred to in the past as "Blue and White disease". "Blue and White disease" is a term used to describe a phenomenon within the Toronto Maple Leafs organization, particularly during the tenure of Brian Burke as general manager. It refers to a situation where players prioritize the attention and status associated with playing for the Maple Leafs, rather than focusing solely on winning. This can manifest as a sense of entitlement, inflated egos, or a disconnect between the public perception and the team's actual performance.

Marner himself believes he is entitled now to become the highest paid player in the game. If that doesn't show the pure arrogance, and inflated ego and sense of entitlement, without the stats and production and playoff results to deserve it.

This is how delusional some "fans" are...

Lou offered JT more than Dubas.

Lou after signing Horvat said it was "too much and too long".

This master of negotiation got Zaitsev his contract and for all the Engvall lovers, look what he did there.

Delusion.

 

[ULF_55]

This is how delusional some "fans" are...

Lou offered JT more than Dubas.

Lou after signing Horvat said it was "too much and too long".

This master of negotiation got Zaitsev his contract and for all the Engvall lovers, look what he did there.

Delusion.

Yeah, my opinion of Lou was never that high, but I was a free spirit, and 1980's new ager, after many years in the military ... isn't that a contradiction ...

Lou had a good run during the Covid season, but otherwise ... Patrick Roy? Wow, trying to turn back the clock again.

Leafs needed new blood, just couldn't stop the bleeding.

 

[Trapper]

Losing him hurts any future cup potential.

That dream is dying already.
Best to grab your favourite players jersey, hug it, spend time with it, we will be rebuilding in the next 5 years.

 

[Stephen]

You can't fathom how spreading hate online could be a problem? Yikes. My post was about people taking responsibility for their actions, but for the record, whether he uses social media or not, friends and family would still have it, and he still interacts with media and people in the world throughout his daily life. Public sentiment still affects him and his job. And he still has to deal with death threats, which is the kind of thing that online echo chambers of hate lead to.

I’m taking issue with the way you’re framing this Marner situation.

You’ve painted a dire picture of how Marner is mistreated by the city despite how he’s said that he’s been treated as if he’s a god. And you’ve also painted a picture of an unliveable Toronto situation and also tried to frame the failure to re-with Marner on Brad Treliving who deserves to be fired.

So in the end which is it? The GM who mistreated Marner, who forced him to leave because there’s been too much disrespect in negotiations? Or is it the city that made it impossible for the GM to re-sign someone dead set on leaving because it’s a social media echo chamber hellscape?

Keep in mind Marner never asked to be traded and refused to be traded.

 

[Mess]

Marner’s Contract Negotiations Were the Turning Point​

But, as I noted in yesterday’s post, when it came time for contract negotiations, the relationship between Marner and Maple Leafs’ fan base took a turn. Unlike Matthews, who quietly and behind the scenes secured his deal mid-season, Marner and his agent opted for a more public approach. They waited until the end of the season and then made their case loudly, laying down the gauntlet for the Maple Leafs.

Eventually, the team capitulated, signing Marner for $700,000 less than Matthews, just before training camp began in 2019. However, the very public nature of these negotiations left a mark on the fans, and they haven’t forgotten.

Fan Perception Has Become Biased by Marner’s Contract​

Since signing his new six-year, $65.4 million contract, the perception of Marner has shifted among the Maple Leafs’ faithful. In some ways, it has colored how fans see what Marner does (or doesn’t do) on and off the ice. The finger-pointing that admits Marner’s regular season production is fine, but his playoff performances are problematic. Fans feel that Marner disappears when putting up playoff points becomes more challenging.

Will Marner Rise to the Challenge?​

The upcoming postseason will be pivotal for Marner. If he can deliver a strong playoff performance and be willing to put the team’s success above his paycheque, he can win back the skeptical fans. But it’s not just about what he does on the ice. How he conducts himself off the ice, especially in contract negotiations, will also play a significant role in how he is remembered in Toronto.

Ultimately, Marner is at a crossroads. He can continue on his current path, risking further criticism, a tarnished legacy, and a big payday with a new team.

Can Mitch Marner Win Back Maple Leafs Fans? - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Mitch Marner is at a crossroads with Toronto Maple Leafs fans. Can he win back their appreciation for being a great player in his hometown?

thehockeywriters.com

 

[LaPlante94]

My company always gets the same effort from me. My last "big" raise was well over $30 and now they get the same effort and results as they did before. We had a recent company wide wage freeze, my company made an exception for me, I still got a cost of living wage increase, my company does not F around when it comes to my wages. So the answer to your question is clearly yes.

What my boss also knows is if I go to a competitor, I give the competitor a competitive advantage over my current company plus he has to replace my value. So lose lose for them. The reality is not everyone is treated the same when it comes to wages, some people are sheep and accept whatever their company tells them they are worth, others know their value, have respect for themselves and demand to be paid what they feel is fair for their needs. For example, a buddy of mine was making mid 60's, he had a chance to go elsewhere, for more money, I asked do you want to go elsewhere, he said no he likes his company but the money is so much better elsewhere, it's hard to say no. I told him to go back to his boss say exactly what I told him to say... he is now making low $100k's, he remained with the same company and got some new perks. Companies don't give money away unless they have to, I'm glad Mitch is not being a sheep.

Everyone else gets a wage freeze while you still get a raise for bringing the same effort and results. That really does sound like the Leafs tbh. I'm guessing your company would also blame those workers making near minimum wage if the company never got to the highest level and kept failing every year as well.

There's a reason a lot of people jump ship to another company and why a lot of companies don't really care. They'll get more money somewhere else while the company doesn't really take a hit because there's always someone else ready for that opportunity and just as qualified and could do just as good of a job or better for much less and then repeat. Luckily for the Leafs they still have Matthews who is more important to the team and Nylander and a guy named Knies just getting better and better and much younger. MLSE gave away money to this core once already because they felt they had to after failing to rebuild after the Sundin era was over in the mid 2000s and kept trying to make something work out of nothing. Then they rebuild and then start giving away money by starting with Tavares as a FA which sets the internal cap of the team now because no way is Matthews taking less than that and then Marner as well, but hey, the fans finally have something to look forward to and playoffs every year should be easy. I'm also glad he's not being a sheep though because now another team can overpay him and maybe they won't pay 2 or 3 other players on the team around the same amount.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I’d bet if you gave William 2 choices stay and honour your contract of 7 more years at 11.5 or take your chances as a ufa and we just rip up your deal, he’d choose the ufa. William is not overpaid when looking at the next 7 years.

Actually, based on what he has said many times, I think he would rather stay here.

 

[MCR74]

Losing him hurts any future cup potential.

Is this Marner you're talking about?

 

[MCR74]

Marner gets crap because of poor playoff play and his pain in the ass negotiating tendencies. It’s well earned.

l'm curious to see how much input Paul will have this time around.

 

[hotpaws]

This is how delusional some "fans" are...

Lou offered JT more than Dubas.

Lou after signing Horvat said it was "too much and too long".

This master of negotiation got Zaitsev his contract and for all the Engvall lovers, look what he did there.

Delusion.

what is it you think Lou offered Mumbles ?

it's been over 2 yrs since Dubas got kicked to the curb like the incompetent piece of shit he is , how much longer are you going to keep this up and if your still in so much pain over his forced departure why don't you just follow the Pens . while he's still employed by them

 

[Mess]

I’m taking issue with the way you’re framing this Marner situation.

Keep in mind Marner never asked to be traded and refused to be traded.

Nope, but for a player that claimed he loved the Leafs he didn't have any problem claiming he would threaten to sign an offer-sheet to leave unless the Leafs matched and beat that amount.

Loyalty to the Leafs over his own paychegue was never in doubt, where his #1 priority lay.

A signed valid offer-sheet at the time he was coming out of his ELC was 4 X 1st rounds picks for $10.4 mil or above as compensation as per CBA .

In the NHL, an offer sheet with a $10.4 million annual average value (AAV) would indeed require the signing team to forfeit four first-round draft picks as compensation to the player's original team, according to Sportsnet.ca and PuckPedia. This is the highest compensation level for offer sheets in the NHL.

Leafs should have forced his bluff and gotten him to sign that OS and then walked away with 4 X 1st round picks, instead of capitulating and giving him $10.9 mil. So instead of receiving the highest compensation they offered him one of the highest NHL contracts instead.

Leafs already had Matthews, Nylander and Tavares under contract now add 4 straight years of 1st round picks in addition to their own picks and fill the prospect cupboard with high-end talent. Once Leafs signed JT many people (myself included) suggested either Marner or Nylander now had to go for Salary cap reasons and affordability.

This to ME is the biggest turning point in Leafs history that could have had a happy ending for Leafs Nation fans had they only made a GOOD and right business decision.

 

[MSZ]

what is it you think Lou offered Mumbles ?

it's been over 2 yrs since Dubas got kicked to the curb like the incompetent piece of shit he is , how much longer are you going to keep this up and if your still in so much pain over his forced departure why don't you just follow the Pens . while he's still employed by them

Some people here are seriously obsessed with Dubas, Marner and Keefe. It's impossible to have normal conversation with them because it's like talking to a wall.

 

[notbias]

what is it you think Lou offered Mumbles ?

it's been over 2 yrs since Dubas got kicked to the curb like the incompetent piece of shit he is , how much longer are you going to keep this up and if your still in so much pain over his forced departure why don't you just follow the Pens . while he's still employed by them

What are you whining about?

You seem far more obsessed with Dubas than me.

Some people here are seriously obsessed with Dubas, Marner and Keefe. It's impossible to have normal conversation with them because it's like talking to a wall.

Agreed, I mentioned Dubas as the person who signed JT, not much else...

It's amazing how his name triggers so many people.

 

[Mess]

Losing him hurts any future cup potential.

I believe you misspoke and meant to say "Signing" him hurts any future cup potential.

Truer words could not be spoken. IMO

The team that makes Marner the highest paid player in the game is about to sign the WORST contract in the NHL, if you're looking for return on investment and cup competitiveness.

I'm just so grateful my GM Treliving is not that foolish and naive and knows when to walk away.

 

[notbias]

I believe you misspoke and meant to say "Signing" him hurts any future cup potential.

Truer words could not be spoken. IMO

The team that makes Marner the highest paid player in the game is about to sign the WORST contracts in the NHL, if you're looking for return on investment and cup competitiveness.

I'm just so grateful my GM Treliving is not that foolish and naive and knows when to walk away.

He is trying to sign him... how is someone who can't read a mod of this forum... the position is all reading...

 

[Gabriel426]

Nope, but for a player that claimed he loved the Leafs he didn't have any problem claiming he would threaten to sign an offer-sheet to leave unless the Leafs matched and beat that amount.

Loyalty to the Leafs over his own paychegue was never in doubt, where his #1 priority lay.

A signed valid offer-sheet at the time he was coming out of his ELC was 4 X 1st rounds picks for $10.4 mil or above as compensation as per CBA .

In the NHL, an offer sheet with a $10.4 million annual average value (AAV) would indeed require the signing team to forfeit four first-round draft picks as compensation to the player's original team, according to Sportsnet.ca and PuckPedia. This is the highest compensation level for offer sheets in the NHL.

Leafs should have forced his bluff and gotten him to sign that OS and then walked away with 4 X 1st round picks, instead of capitulating and giving him $10.9 mil. So instead of receiving the highest compensation they offered him one of the highest NHL contracts instead.

Leafs already had Matthews, Nylander and Tavares under contract now add 4 straight years of 1st round picks in addition to their own picks and fill the prospect cupboard with high-end talent. Once Leafs signed JT many people (myself included) suggested either Marner or Nylander now had to go for Salary cap reasons and affordability.

This to ME is the biggest turning point in Leafs history that could have had a happy ending for Leafs Nation fans had they only made a GOOD and right business decision.

That’s an interesting what if scenario.
Bc they won’t need to ship a 1st with Marleau, probably manage to keep Hyman and Brown. Probably able to afford Zai as 3rd pairing Dman and no need to trade him to the Sens.
Would even add Kadri as even though he was gone due to suspension, another reason was his caphit too.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

They are in too deep so they really do not have any other viable options until 34's contract ends. I'd consider shopping everybody but we know that is not happening. After all, we are not here to sell jerseys.

Yup. The only hope is that Matthews wakes the eff up IF (because I'll believe it when I see it) Marner actually really leaves by his choice or the Leafs. We're for sure in for 3 more years before a teardown.

 

[hotpaws]

What are you whining about?

You seem far more obsessed with Dubas than me.



Agreed, I mentioned Dubas as the person who signed JT, not much else...

It's amazing how his name triggers so many people.

yup you have us all fooled , lol

the majority of Dumbasses flock have gone fairly silent , especially since he's been such a clusterf*** in Pitt so i do give you credit for your continued high profile devotion to him

i have to ask , what is it that makes you love him so much ? he was a failure here and proving that he's leaned little to nothing considering how bad he's been in Pitt

 

[notbias]

yup you have us all fooled , lol

the majority of Dumbasses flock have gone fairly silent , especially since he's been such a clusterf*** in Pitt so i do give you credit for your continued high profile devotion to him

i have to ask , what is it that makes you love him so much ? he was a failure here and proving that he's leaned little to nothing considering how bad he's been in Pitt

I've said he failed here.... so did Lou, so has Treliving... so has almost every GM here.

I don't really think you have anything to add to any conversation I am having and just based on the nicknames you have for people, I assume I am talking to a child, so I'll leave the convo there.

 

[hotpaws]

I've said he failed here.... so did Lou, so has Treliving... so has almost every GM here.

I don't really think you have anything to add to any conversation I am having and just based on the nicknames you have for people, I assume I am talking to a child, so I'll leave the convo there.

what's childish is ranting for 2 plus years since Dumbass was kicked to the curb . let it go or go cheer for Dubas on the Pens board , he'll need all the help he can get since their fans don't have the coach to blame anymore and they'll realize how incompetent he is

 

[Ports]

I believe you misspoke and meant to say "Signing" him hurts any future cup potential.

Truer words could not be spoken. IMO

The team that makes Marner the highest paid player in the game is about to sign the WORST contract in the NHL, if you're looking return on investment and cup competitiveness.

I'm just so grateful my GM Treliving is not that foolish and naive and knows when to walk away.

I think Marner has made the decision for them thankfully because I don’t trust that Leafs Ownership / Management have the balls to make that decision themselves.